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release date : august 2011
release party : Assembly 2011
compo : combined demo
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rulez added on the 2011-08-06 21:47:42 by firebug firebug
This is our contribution for the Assembly 2011 demo compo.

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added on the 2011-08-06 21:48:26 by aMUSiC aMUSiC
rulez added on the 2011-08-06 21:48:47 by micksam7 micksam7
Evolution of Vision meets Rupture. Video2Particles! How nice all mixed together! Thumb!
rulez added on the 2011-08-06 21:49:02 by magic magic
awesome awesome awesome graphics. the ebm track would have been just as awesome if... well... if you got a decent singer that can handle singing this low, or if you had transposed the track up a bit. but still, a breathtaking demo!
rulez added on the 2011-08-06 21:50:03 by Saga Musix Saga Musix
Awesome! Vocals fit perfectly.
rulez added on the 2011-08-06 21:50:47 by thec thec
now, this was way cool! there is, though, the usual issue :) though on the stream it is hard to really judge. I liked the music much better than usually, and such vocals are perfectly fine in this type of music, but, *these* vocals were just plain bad imho...
rulez added on the 2011-08-06 21:51:09 by blala blala
music was not to my taste (again :)), lots of stuff seen before in other ASD demos, but it was all put together in a really awesome way!
rulez added on the 2011-08-06 21:51:41 by Alpha C Alpha C
superb use of natal, image processing reminded me of "The evolution of vision", unfortunately this time the music is completely not my cup of tea :(. After watching this and fairlight intro, it just got to my head, that I slept through 2 years of what was developed on PC. Got to change this. Good luck on the compo. This time I have no favourite - both are great!
rulez added on the 2011-08-06 21:51:42 by bonzaj bonzaj
Gosh I love this thing! The music is completely awesome, the visuals totally rock... <3
rulez added on the 2011-08-06 21:53:35 by Aasemoon Aasemoon
The vocals: nice! Loved it! The music, the visuals : wow!
rulez added on the 2011-08-06 21:53:46 by numtek numtek
Amazing demo, awesome style. Really, really amazing demo. But those vocals… Argh. It totally killed the demo for me. But the direction, the visuals and the content were all top quality as usual.

Still in deep awe.
rulez added on the 2011-08-06 21:54:15 by decipher decipher
I have no words!
It's more then magic!
rulezcdc added on the 2011-08-06 21:55:06 by Manwe Manwe
vocals > guitar
rulez added on the 2011-08-06 21:55:49 by dwarf dwarf
that's what i expected, nothing more, nothing less! Beautiful work, indeed.
rulez added on the 2011-08-06 21:56:42 by decca decca
The downsides: Too long. And the music.
Upsides: everything else. The face part was the most breathtaking!
added on the 2011-08-06 21:57:26 by kbi kbi
Ah! The thumb :)
rulez added on the 2011-08-06 21:57:36 by kbi kbi
Visuals are great, the music would be ok without the vocals, now it's just pure crap. The composer tries way too much, just like with Butterfly Effect.

And hey, Navis, I think you have proven your point to Smash now. Although it's pretty pointless since Smash has already gone to next level.
Great style makes great demos!
rulez added on the 2011-08-06 21:58:05 by ham ham
too much recycling, music is really bad, use melodye for your vocals :)
added on the 2011-08-06 21:58:55 by .reEto .reEto
rulez added on the 2011-08-06 21:59:42 by Quarryman Quarryman
.reEto, they *are* melodyned.. that's why they're devoid of pitch drift and modulation.. I do sound robotic on low frequencies.. but not THAT robotic =P
added on the 2011-08-06 22:00:31 by aMUSiC aMUSiC
my highlight from the compo! also nice track (sans guitars this time :P ) simply mindblowing.
rulez added on the 2011-08-06 22:00:53 by v3nom v3nom
Ususal awsome ASD quality.
rulez added on the 2011-08-06 22:01:52 by stefa stefa
Insane degisn! I dream exactly this when I go jogging and run out of oxygen.
rulez added on the 2011-08-06 22:02:45 by archee archee
very nice
rulez added on the 2011-08-06 22:03:10 by psenough psenough
Doesn't run fluently here, time to get a new graphics card.

Very beautiful demo, really like the vocals this time :)
rulez added on the 2011-08-06 22:06:05 by mog mog
Good, of course, vocals would have been good if they had borrowed more from Kraftwerk, namely mechanical sound.
rulez added on the 2011-08-06 22:06:59 by Serpent Serpent
Absolutely stunning!!!
rulez added on the 2011-08-06 22:07:19 by Mystra Mystra
ASD, never running out of awesome ideas. Although I don’t like the singers voice that much.
rulez added on the 2011-08-06 22:07:31 by gaspode gaspode
there were some jawdropping visuals
rulez added on the 2011-08-06 22:10:21 by Clarence Clarence
rulez added on the 2011-08-06 22:12:06 by bitl bitl
The particle stuff was a bit killed by the stream; looking forward to see that in high quality. But Navis' modelling is worth a thumb alone =)
rulez added on the 2011-08-06 22:12:53 by Sesse Sesse
vocals > guitar

comment of the day :)))
added on the 2011-08-06 22:14:10 by blala blala
rulez added on the 2011-08-06 22:15:43 by msqrt msqrt
thumb for stunning visuals. love the "empty" beginning and the slow buildup. the music feels a bit disconnected from the visuals (i felt like i was watching the demo muted with another song playing in the background) and the song is not really my cup.
rulez added on the 2011-08-06 22:18:02 by prm prm
rulez added on the 2011-08-06 22:18:09 by superplek superplek
How do you have the TIME to do this? SICK! and GREAT!
rulez added on the 2011-08-06 22:21:11 by _Chucky_ _Chucky_
i really like this - even the music was good for me (the primitive vocals and the hard bass reminded me of convenant).
rulez added on the 2011-08-06 22:26:23 by rasmus/loonies rasmus/loonies
rulez added on the 2011-08-06 22:28:31 by SiR SiR
good job.
rulez added on the 2011-08-06 22:30:38 by gentleman gentleman
Visually it strikes me as a mix between the music video for "A-ha - Take On Me" and "Tron". I like it, even though it drags on for a bit. The music is really what kills it though. It's not just the fact that they are plain bad (sorry), but even more that they are absolutely misplaced in the mix -- they feel as if they were plastered on top with a rubber band. Completely sticks it's head out in the mix, adding to the "slapped on"-feeling. Still, it's obviously a good demo, it just could have been way better with minimal effort in the music department.
rulez added on the 2011-08-06 22:34:33 by gloom gloom
thanks for this great demo, rulling and this is first demo played on my brand new pc, such a honour to see this piece of art; loving from music to colurs to morphs (producing unique visual experience) to compossition and narration and the idea behind is up to you to find
rulez added on the 2011-08-06 22:34:34 by zden zden
Fantastic demo - really love the visuals and direction! The music will again draw a lot of controversy, but I think it drove the demo forward nicely, so mission accomplished.

And, again, what's really impressive: this demo runs without the slightest hitch on "normal" contemporary hardware, even on the hghest resolution. Kudos for that.
rulez added on the 2011-08-06 22:35:21 by Stebo Stebo
Amazing graphics and idea, but I do not like the music, maybe I will change my mind later after seeing that more times.
added on the 2011-08-06 22:38:30 by jack-3d jack-3d
wow.. great demo! and some parts reminded me Levi's Odyssey commercial.
rulez added on the 2011-08-06 22:44:26 by scg_ scg_
The music is awful, the direction is lacking most of the time, turns into an object show, i really like the part displayed in the screenshot + the rhino walking through the walls synced with the music.
added on the 2011-08-06 22:44:47 by Zplex Zplex
That's a provocation, that's probably not ASD!
sucks added on the 2011-08-06 22:47:39 by closed closed
great song which somehow reminds me of the French band Trisome 21, particularly their song "Last Song". Diffrent songs of course but they give me a similar feeling. And stunning visuals, great pacing, direction, etc. love it.
rulez added on the 2011-08-06 23:08:40 by button button
A huge achievement. Awesome smooth particles, great animation on the line-art stuff, best in class direction. So slick.
rulez added on the 2011-08-06 23:09:31 by Claw Claw
rulez added on the 2011-08-06 23:10:24 by Defiance Defiance
I won't comment on the music, but i support Amusic for the guts of attempting at something like that. The visuals started wow but then lost grip on me. Anyway, compared to the average demo world this is worth a thumb.
rulez added on the 2011-08-06 23:11:20 by dixan dixan
Epic win.
rulez added on the 2011-08-06 23:13:08 by RetroVM RetroVM
awesome graphics style and ideas. ofc. the music fits that and the pace quite nicely.
rulez added on the 2011-08-06 23:13:18 by yumeji yumeji
Usual ASD prod: random ideas + tons of polish :)
rulez added on the 2011-08-06 23:13:56 by BarZoule BarZoule
I liked some of the scenes, especially the closeup on the running man and the boat sailing in front of that moon, sun, planet, whatever. The rest was rather boring, especially those transitions between vehicles again... But the really unbelivably terrible thing about this demo is the fucking singing. OMFG that was BAD. Please stop amature singing in demos.... really.... it sucks ass.
added on the 2011-08-06 23:16:24 by Nuclear Nuclear
The code is excellent .... truly innovative effects and soundtrack of shit !!!!!.......... ASD thanks you for the visual
rulez added on the 2011-08-06 23:17:36 by Rafale06 Rafale06
I love how each of your demos builds on the previous ones, both stylewise and content-wise, while adding its own brick to the edifice.
rulez added on the 2011-08-06 23:19:15 by Tarmil Tarmil
That's just awesome how ASD manages to reinvent their style every time with such high quality productions.
rulez added on the 2011-08-06 23:24:30 by Daddy Freddy Daddy Freddy
Solid ASD. Thumbs up.
I sense some "Evolution of vision" in there... :)
rulez added on the 2011-08-06 23:28:42 by raer raer
Oh and to anwser the question posed (by the soundtrack): Yes.
added on the 2011-08-06 23:29:03 by numtek numtek
Well, at least most of the time.
added on the 2011-08-06 23:32:35 by numtek numtek
The first have was really awesome, then I got somewhat bored. Still a great demo!
rulez added on the 2011-08-06 23:34:04 by chock chock
Awesome visuals and direction.

The music itself I think is quite good, but the vocals were shockingly bad. It reminded me of Jan Terri and I couldn't stop laughing.

I used to love amusic's epic demo soundtracks, but this recent obsession with vocals is making his work sound amateur. Sorry to join the critics, but it's meant to be constructive.
rulez added on the 2011-08-06 23:36:25 by Wade Wade
Very nice.
rulez added on the 2011-08-06 23:39:30 by elend elend
stunning demo. nice visuals and great choice of music there ;)
rulez added on the 2011-08-06 23:41:14 by nemesis nemesis
@gloom: Haha, the first thing I thought of when it was playing for like 30-40 seconds was "a-ha" as well :)
added on the 2011-08-06 23:43:12 by superplek superplek
Me like - including lyrics.
rulez added on the 2011-08-06 23:43:14 by Dbug Dbug
ok i totally forgot the butterfly effect after watching this one. This shit is awesome.

and for the music.


Hire a deathmetal grunter next time plz kthx ;)
added on the 2011-08-06 23:44:19 by alien^PDX alien^PDX
Very creative as usual
rulez added on the 2011-08-06 23:47:44 by Buckethead Buckethead
I flipping love this!
rulez added on the 2011-08-06 23:49:59 by puppeh puppeh
Here's a protip for ASD: try some other musician for your next project. You have nailed the visual stuff, now you need to get someone as talented to provide the aural experience.
Fresh and enjoyable...
rulez added on the 2011-08-06 23:52:51 by ara ara
Some previous great efects from ASD demos neatly glued together, melting in very pleasure eyecandy. Vocals was ok, at least not that bad as was in butterfly effect.

After all another enjoyable demo from ASD. (and not kitschy)
rulez added on the 2011-08-06 23:57:02 by Trauma Zero Trauma Zero
I for one think the soundtrack is solid. Yes the vocals could/should be better but to me, in terms of style, they fit the genre like a glove!
added on the 2011-08-07 00:00:37 by superplek superplek
great! i love the song
rulez added on the 2011-08-07 00:08:47 by nekomono nekomono
added on the 2011-08-07 00:10:49 by hitchhikr hitchhikr
Wow, I would have never figured out that little clip Navis showed us in the Euskal could turn into this. Well done!
rulez added on the 2011-08-07 00:19:11 by stage7 stage7
Ah, singing gets less annoying if you watch the demo five times in a row. :)
added on the 2011-08-07 00:20:10 by gaspode gaspode
Wow! Fairlightish particle and evolution of vision together mixed in a very nice way. Nice change to the music style too with ebm kind of tune.
rulez added on the 2011-08-07 00:24:34 by Optimus Optimus
rulez added on the 2011-08-07 00:25:47 by spritus spritus
I watched this demo and jizzed in my pants
rulez added on the 2011-08-07 00:39:41 by Ized Ized
What everyone said.
rulez added on the 2011-08-07 00:50:33 by jimmi jimmi
I love the line effect! The running felines are also stunning <3
rulez added on the 2011-08-07 00:53:59 by Zeila Zeila
Solid prod, music is not my cup of taste ( EBM is in general not my fav. ) Nice particles, but now its really enough of particle demos please !

Also i think its time to take care about the recycling overkill, the eagle was in i dont know how much prods ... also the bridge and roomscene was known before ... The crash of rhino into the walls was a quick "same as rupture" effect ...

For sure a thumb up, for the work and enthusiasm to invest time in demoscene
rulez added on the 2011-08-07 00:58:49 by _H2o_ _H2o_
Some of the most compelling visuals i have seen in a demo - big props for that and the mind boggeling effort! - however, while i can appreciate the poetry of the vocals (esp the climax) they are really not executed well.
rulez added on the 2011-08-07 01:11:59 by Trenox Trenox
The hall audio is awful, but what I heard of the track, I liked it. I love the vocals on this one, nice 80's industrial feel, reminds me of front 242 etc. etc...

Visuals 'foors rock too here, the screenshot part especially quite big applause. Only problem I have here is that this again feels a bit rehahshed, like a mix of everything ASD has been making since Rupture.

But overall a very good prod again.
rulez added on the 2011-08-07 01:19:50 by noby noby
visual effects are great, some parts make this to a "one of best demos ever", but the vocals were imho horrible².
rulez added on the 2011-08-07 01:41:24 by 4kum4 4kum4
Astonishingly Awesome :)
rulez added on the 2011-08-07 01:47:31 by Clyde Clyde
its ok. nothing more - nothing less.
for sure not a killer.
and hate me but:
im sick of asd´s object and effect recycling.
sure, you arrange it in another way and stuff and yaddayadda. but i come to point where im close to say: asd? yeah, when you know 1 demo - you know all of them.

and the music sucked.
now start bitchslapping me...and please dont forget the "if you dont like it do it better" phrases.
added on the 2011-08-07 01:49:09 by _docd^hjb _docd^hjb
different.. while i disliked the beginning, over the run it was quite very nice to watch, liked the tune.
rulez added on the 2011-08-07 01:52:56 by Sapphire Sapphire
Amazing. Music isn't my taste but it fitted well.
The GFX was absolutely stunning!
rulez added on the 2011-08-07 01:57:37 by cerror cerror
this one feels so 2011.

very good job, Navis et. al. ! <3
rulez added on the 2011-08-07 01:58:46 by xyz xyz
Iam getting sick a bit about all those "Piggy" voters, since i think .. YES we all complain a bit, yes there is some recyling of models and effects ...

BUT HEY didnt you saw on which niveau those things are done ? If complain, because there are such masterpieces from ASD, and so good effects and tons of "postprocessings" in there ! But what is really annoying, that you always get messured on your best prod ever done, the flawless production you did maybe once in life ...

I think before voting such a demo as piggy you should really do such a piece yourself, and compare it to other productions you votes as "rocks" before ..

There are points you might not like, but look the overall quality ... and be honest and fair .. its way above average release standarts !

On creators side i would ask myself why people are getting so strict with your prods ... MAYBE its because of the "strict" critics you post / talk and give to them ?
added on the 2011-08-07 02:42:35 by _H2o_ _H2o_
Awesome visuals, and atmosphere-wise it also has some great moments. I'm actually a big EBM-fan but this paricular song didn't really do much for me
rulez added on the 2011-08-07 02:47:21 by Duckers Duckers
w.o.r.d my friend
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added on the 2011-08-07 02:48:22 by xyz xyz
h20: i don't think we're particularly strict with criticism of other people's work on pouet. I give one thumb down for every 20 thumb up and rules and generally try to be positive. I will comment heavily on the work of people I know personally too. Being strict with our prods is something I don't mind. Some times it helps.
added on the 2011-08-07 02:53:54 by Navis Navis
Wasn't into the music so much (mainly the vox), but the visuals rocked HARD. Well done!
rulez added on the 2011-08-07 02:58:40 by ferris ferris
Hey Navis, I do not think that _H2o_ had your person in mind when he wrote that..

in other news: Thank you for this very awesome and mesmerizing demo. really c00l !
added on the 2011-08-07 02:58:55 by xyz xyz
h2o: I don't think artists take any notice of criticism that isn't constructive. Purely negative comments are often people expressing their personal taste, and there's very little an artist can do about that. If everyone shared the same taste there would be no reason for art.
added on the 2011-08-07 03:05:47 by Claw Claw
This Demo is so fucking awesome !!!

No other Group fitting Code,Style,Music and Atmosphere together like ASD !
This is the best Demo so far i have seen... maybe not technically but who cares !?

I love it ! And the Song is also absolut Great !
rulez added on the 2011-08-07 03:06:07 by DJH of GCS! DJH of GCS!
ASD have yet again "spin" the demoscene decks!!!
Great tune along with Tron meets Chariots of Fire but with the special ASD touch becomes magical.

I am really curious to learn more about the particles running man... and to confirm, was it just me or did I really saw a fish at some point?
rulez added on the 2011-08-07 04:06:13 by sybeX sybeX
sybex, you saw two =P
added on the 2011-08-07 04:09:07 by aMUSiC aMUSiC
White screen here when the loaderbar is 1/4 complete. ATI driver 11.7, HD5850, vista 64bit (no aero!), E6750 CPU
added on the 2011-08-07 07:04:32 by maytz maytz
masterpiece! lovely, i regret to have missed this on a big screen.

oh, did you try to add some sound effects when the rhino crosses the walls and stuff like that to make the visuals and the music connect better (or perhaps you tried and it didn't really work that well?)

anyway, very cool demo! could you explain quickly about how you compute the silhouette lines?

rulez added on the 2011-08-07 07:28:21 by iq iq
number one
rulez added on the 2011-08-07 07:57:05 by marsel84 marsel84
rulez added on the 2011-08-07 08:09:37 by psndcj//tbk psndcj//tbk
I'm not ashamed to say that I cream over ASD demos and this is no exception. Loved it.
rulez added on the 2011-08-07 08:20:03 by Gmitts Gmitts
love it
rulez added on the 2011-08-07 09:10:40 by fyrex fyrex
Nice prod ! Awesome gfx and good music !
I just found the rhino model a bit weird.. But that's probably just me !
rulez added on the 2011-08-07 09:55:18 by yannshu yannshu
nice visuals, dont like the vocals...
added on the 2011-08-07 10:31:38 by starbuck starbuck
Drooling visuals. I only wish the ASD demos wouldn't remind me of earlier ASD demos so much.
rulez added on the 2011-08-07 10:42:40 by Mirv Mirv
The visuals are stunning, the execution is again exemplary. I don't mind putting used things together in a new way (and in think you guys are one of the few who manage to create a new look and unique look for your works almost every time), so i really enjoyed the ride and hope that there will be more of your productions in the future. With the rest, i am afraid i have to agree with gloom and Wade. I have the feeling that when you remove all the effects from the vocals, you get a singer that is none and i personally find that a bad start for using vocals. Please amusic, return to your earlier versatility. I was and i still am amazed by your earlier soundtracks and long for another one like that for some time now :)
And, before i forget. Cool fullscreen gfx in the next demo pls, i am missing that a lot too, lately.
rulez added on the 2011-08-07 10:44:47 by CONS CONS
rulez added on the 2011-08-07 10:51:23 by xcom xcom
stunning as always. (can i haz autothumbup script for asd?)
rulez added on the 2011-08-07 10:59:37 by FooLman FooLman
If it had better soundtrack and was two minutes shorter it might be the best demo in a long time. Actually, that sentiment goes for most ASD productions. They drag on too long and the music is tasteless. Other than that, great job :)
rulez added on the 2011-08-07 11:07:40 by aha aha
FooLman got the point!
rulez added on the 2011-08-07 11:26:07 by Lacoste Lacoste
Also: running dog in front of the moon. Really? ;)
added on the 2011-08-07 11:27:44 by gloom gloom
rulez added on the 2011-08-07 11:37:32 by Gʀɪʍʍy Gʀɪʍʍy
this willl do
rulez added on the 2011-08-07 11:37:40 by ileaardbei ileaardbei
Lovely visuals and lovely music. I couldn't imagine this with any other kind of music (or any other kind of vocals for the music, for that matter). I think this will eventually replace Dreamchild as my favourite ASD demo but time will tell. It also made me want to rewatch Chariots of Fire, which is never a bad thing.

(and it's also now the best demoscene production featuring a running rhino. This one will be hard to beat...)
rulez added on the 2011-08-07 11:44:12 by Preacher Preacher
Solid demo!

There are many familiar allegories. Some ideas are definitely inspired by fairlights latest demo. And of course, Yello, Kraftwerk, and Tron come to mind.
rulez added on the 2011-08-07 12:13:06 by Calexico Calexico
__excellent__ visuals. music is nice but its mixdown isnt. also the vocals remind me of underworld - cowgirl :P
rulez added on the 2011-08-07 12:57:19 by post malone post malone
That's very original ! What a nice mix of effects you got there !
rulez added on the 2011-08-07 13:46:21 by MsK` MsK`
Those awkward, badly mixed vocals are not getting better with repeat viewings. Believe me, I've tried. :P
rulez added on the 2011-08-07 14:12:39 by tomaes tomaes
Way more solid than ASD's previous asm entries. Really beautiful visuals in places, but... It was almost totally ruined on the big screen by the rather poorly mastered soundtrack. Everything just went all porridgly, and the vocals sounded horrendous. After viewing it again with a non-PA sound system (e.g. my tv's speakers) the soundtrack wasn't all that bad, but the vocals were still somewhat cringeworthy.

Still, this is by far my favorite ASD Assembly demo ever.
rulez added on the 2011-08-07 14:17:39 by uncle-x uncle-x
Namevote winner, nothing mindblowing
added on the 2011-08-07 14:18:46 by jenni jenni
Great stuff! Looks the same breath. Just spin and nothing more. Very solid.
rulez added on the 2011-08-07 14:19:27 by nodeus nodeus
nice, please stop stop stop vocals.
what bermudatatooine said, but with a well deserved thumb up!
rulez added on the 2011-08-07 14:29:43 by baah baah
added on the 2011-08-07 14:30:28 by marsel84 marsel84
h2o: when i critisize i hope that the citisized creator gets another perspective...
ASD would even bring highlevel creations in a fastdemo compo.
And iam for sure a big fan of them, but that doesnt meant that i have to stick myself into someones butt.

I would even go to Mercedes-Benz telling them that i hate their A-Class Modell...even when i know that that Car is still far better than any others. But i know that Mercedes Benz aswell as ASD can do better.

When entering a competition - you want to entertain the crowd. The ones who cant code too...so the "dont complain - do it better" is such an uberelite thing which is totally outdated.

When we come to that point - then are only the members of a handfull groups allowed to express their meanings.

critics are mostly subjective but always a good way to improve.

I´d hate beeing surrounded by Yes-Sayers, Buttcrawlers and namevoters.

added on the 2011-08-07 14:33:08 by _docd^hjb _docd^hjb
Great directing, however.
rulez added on the 2011-08-07 14:33:40 by slyspy slyspy
...but ofcourse i do namevoting...
added on the 2011-08-07 14:34:23 by _docd^hjb _docd^hjb
Very cool!
rulez added on the 2011-08-07 14:39:26 by rbz rbz
Just re-watched it, just to hear the soundtrack again. I must say the vocals are by far my favorite part of it, still digging that industrial feel. Otherwise the track isn't that amazing. Especially the drums sound really cheap. But overall it's still enjoyable, and I'm always happy to hear something new in a demo, or at least something that doesn't get heard so often.
added on the 2011-08-07 14:52:07 by noby noby
Amazing. Just wish the soundtrack had a female singer :p
rulez added on the 2011-08-07 15:00:48 by jonnyram jonnyram
Wouldn't say I enjoyed the music, but other than that the kind of high quality we were expecting. And glad that you paid homage to a long-term Finnish comedian at the end of the lyrics: "I am Spede, I am Spede".
rulez added on the 2011-08-07 15:00:50 by Marq Marq
Ahh.. there we go again... ok...

Let me start by saying that I've got nothing to prove to anyone. I could sit with Leviathan and write another 8 minute guitar epic (which even if untraditional for demos, is quite traditional for ASD). But every now and then I feel like venturing and experimenting in uncharted territories, like the butterfly effect tune, the midnight run one, the chameleon tune or like this one. I've never written EBM before in my life, and I'm not either very into EBM. However I was listening to Covenant (namely Call the ships to port) and really dug it, so I thought.. what the hell.. let's try EBM. Is the end result good? I have no idea really. I'm no EBM expert, so I'll let the EBM experts judge that. Is my voice good? Of course it's not.. I'm no singer and I really laughed my ass off when I put what I sung through melodyne and realized how off I was getting at times. But I liked the grit that got out on the low frequencies and the dark disturbing sound, and so did Navis and amoivikos.

In the end I had tons of fun making this, especially while seeing it with the visuals and how Navis was moving things around and syncing them. I believe that the track gives a very special flow and movement to the demo.

As such, I'm sorry to disappoint some of you but we'll keep having lyrics and vocals or guitars or the sound of stones rubbed together for that matter if we feel like doing so, and we are most certainly not changing musicians.

rasmus: spot on! Covenant style is what I went for =)

Calexico: The Kraftwerk vibes are due to heavy use of melodyne, especially when I got rid of the pitch drift and modulation. It wasn't what I aimed for, but I too found the end result Kraftwerk-ish, and I liked it. As for Yello.. I hadn't thought that.. but.. sure! I love Yello!

Maali: spot on as well! Especially when I put the "I am spinning" part on loop I thought.. "Holy Underworld.. I'm keeping this!".
added on the 2011-08-07 15:03:51 by aMUSiC aMUSiC
sucks added on the 2011-08-07 15:06:38 by Bartoshe Bartoshe
wow, fucking awesome! if i see on assembly all i say... wow love it, rightly the winner
added on the 2011-08-07 15:06:50 by Green Green
Cool stuff. LOVE the visuals, and even if the music isn't the what I would normally listen to, I see that it fits well. Thanks for doing keep making these creative demos.

aMUSIC keep doing what you enjoy, even if some of us BASS-heads complains once in a while. Variation is nice. :)
rulez added on the 2011-08-07 15:10:57 by neptun neptun
Interesting visals but too much of the same, gets boring quite fast. The music however is fantastic, I totally adore the soundtrack, very cool! More of that please, aMUSIC! =)
added on the 2011-08-07 15:14:23 by StingRay StingRay
Just wish the soundtrack had a female singer :p

Would totally destroy it IMHO! :)
added on the 2011-08-07 15:16:39 by StingRay StingRay
I think before voting such a demo as piggy you should really do such a piece yourself, and compare it to other productions you votes as "rocks" before ..

That's complete and utter nonsense. While there sure is a lot of work in this demo I still can bring myself to thumbing it up because it kinda bored me after a while and I'm sure I won't watch it often. That however doesn't mean that I'm not allowed to thumb up much "simpler" demos, after all it's a matter of taste what one likes or not!
added on the 2011-08-07 15:29:41 by StingRay StingRay
aMusic: You say you have nothing to prove, but hey, here you are all defensive about what you do. So, I guess you do care.

And about your music. If you don't know how to make something, maybe you should keep on training (in private) until you are good at. You know, if you are bad at singing or making EBM, it's not like everyone needs to hear your first efforts. Although, after reading your comment it seems that you almost made the music jokingly. If that's what you aimed at, then you did succeed, because I laughed my ass off at the tune. Don't know how well that suits the ASD idea of good demo..
trivialfursuit: I often wish I was sixteen again, carefree and with lots of energy and time on my hands to write 60 tracks per year. Alas, I'm twice as much, and now a couple of tracks per year is all I'm finding time for. Thankfully, hardware vendors have equipped their gear with volume knobs and switches, so you can mute the sound and watch the demo with the nyan cat theme on your iPod (and I know I'm tempting Maali to actually go ahead and do this =P). I'm glad though that the track appealed to your sense of humor.
added on the 2011-08-07 16:30:27 by aMUSiC aMUSiC
awfull music bla bla bla and all that jazz.
Superdupper demo anyways, love the rhino smashing thru the walls :)
rulez added on the 2011-08-07 16:42:35 by tFt tFt
Awesome despite the drunken out of tune vocals :)
rulez added on the 2011-08-07 16:58:18 by jugi jugi
Solid production, congrats !
And I dig the music *with* the vocals.
My chance to include an ASD tune in next Demovibes.

Speaking about the demo, I did expect to see a Nike logo at some point.
rulez added on the 2011-08-07 17:19:42 by willbe willbe
Who are you and what have you done to ASD?
sucks added on the 2011-08-07 17:34:53 by tsiros tsiros
Awesome graphics, music sucks.
rulez added on the 2011-08-07 17:39:33 by glxblt glxblt
Oh well...here goes one more year of controversial comments about the music. Although I heard the public outcry about the heavy guitars and stayed out this year, people still found something else to bitch about. Makes me wonder what do people want in the end, maybe a Justin Timberlake tune? :D

Nevertheless I really liked the demo and the bold move to do something different which is ofcourse a risk to take.
rulez added on the 2011-08-07 17:51:10 by Leviathan Leviathan
Awesome! And this time i even love the music!
rulez added on the 2011-08-07 17:59:16 by RufUsul RufUsul
Genius! So original in every aspect.
rulez added on the 2011-08-07 18:00:16 by 71M 71M
ASD, well done and the real winner demo. Very good graphics, animations, effects ... The music is ok, but fits not perfectly for my taste. Anyway, great work and my favorit demo this year, till now :)
rulez added on the 2011-08-07 18:03:23 by aTom aTom
forget the gulez button :)
rulez added on the 2011-08-07 18:05:41 by Green Green
Very penetrating! This made my day. Glad to see some new effects and kudos for the kewl soundtrack, eventhough I like the othe styles too :))
rulez added on the 2011-08-07 18:17:14 by Xiny6581 Xiny6581
Leviathan: So it was a calculated "bold" move to use a bad song with bad singing and bad lyrics? Interesting! First aMusic tells us he made the track as a joke and now you tell that you actually wanted bad music as soundtrack. Kudos for being so brave!

Oh and please, do use Justin Timberlake if you can get hold of him because he actually does know how to sing.
~4:14, "Colorful diapers against my will"?
added on the 2011-08-07 18:30:07 by MuffinHop MuffinHop
Leviathan: So it was a calculated "bold" move to use a bad song with bad singing and bad lyrics?

Music is subjective.
added on the 2011-08-07 18:31:30 by noby noby
trivialfursuit : Mate chill out, when in a group you respect decisions. Not everyone likes metal and I had to respect that too and try different ventures. BTW this aint X-factor, it's the demoscene in case you forgot. It's supposed to be somewhat underground and gives you the freedom to express yourself exactly how you want without having marketing knocking on your door.
added on the 2011-08-07 18:36:49 by Leviathan Leviathan
Hey aMusic and Leviathan. Just try it harder next time. And you will be rich.
added on the 2011-08-07 18:40:42 by slyspy slyspy
Oh yeah...about next time....*takes the 8 string off the case* ;)
added on the 2011-08-07 18:43:47 by Leviathan Leviathan
I haven't seen such a whining performance for a long time. People that don't like the music I guess are more then welcome to address it but comments with irony and non constructive criticism are lame...

Don't you have somewhere else to go?

added on the 2011-08-07 18:55:11 by sybeX sybeX
Well, it turns out we need more marketing managers and sales executives in the scene. Oh boy...
rulez added on the 2011-08-07 19:15:59 by rexbeng/PA rexbeng/PA
technically this is brilliant but regarding design and effects it really lacks innovation.
rulez added on the 2011-08-07 19:27:38 by mueslee mueslee
rulez added on the 2011-08-07 19:28:24 by Cj Cj
I liked the way how you rendered the objects, some kind of "Light painting" for me.

Nice mix with the particles but imo you've made best use of it in "the butterfly effect" :)

Very eye candy anyway.
rulez added on the 2011-08-07 19:43:07 by BackSpace BackSpace
Loved it!!!
rulez added on the 2011-08-07 20:19:39 by frits_gr frits_gr
that's one of the most EBM-ish demos I've seen in a while. Pure drive!
rulez added on the 2011-08-07 20:27:22 by Paralax Paralax
Great demo, but can U please give us version without vocals? ;)
rulez added on the 2011-08-07 20:40:23 by emha76 emha76
What a trip, lot of cool stuff in here.Especially liked the wallbreaks and the city/ocean scenery
rulez added on the 2011-08-07 20:50:16 by fiveofive fiveofive
AHAHAHAHAHAHA.. slyspy, I love you man!!

emha76, I'll give you an instrumental version, if you promise to sing over it and share it afterwards. The tune was composed for vocals.. otherwise it's rather empty.
added on the 2011-08-07 20:54:39 by aMUSiC aMUSiC
Well, the thing is that I really think your demo is visually the most striking thing I've seen in a long, long time. And I've been watching demos since the early days on Amiga. Considering this it was a really disappointing that the music was not nearly as good. It also surprises me that people who are able to make such a strong effort visually basically everytime they make a product fail to put as much though into the music. Anyway, sorry for being so direct and probably harsh, too. I overreacted. And I really appreciate your work, it's really great.
Of course it rules. Good job, guys!
rulez added on the 2011-08-07 21:31:23 by voz voz
My first reaction: holy shit that was awesome.

The audio could lose the vocals though :S ... vocals were just not done very well imo.
rulez added on the 2011-08-07 21:31:58 by HeatSurge HeatSurge
I liked the music, the visuals are as full of machismo as ASD demos usually are. Some of it works.
rulez added on the 2011-08-07 21:39:09 by visy visy
Hope I will see cool commercial video clips made by ASD someday. Or maybe they already exist?
rulez added on the 2011-08-07 21:43:58 by stan_1901 stan_1901
Things in demomusic that cause controversial discussions:

1) Heavy metal guitars
2) Vocals

Whats next?
added on the 2011-08-07 21:48:13 by Calexico Calexico
I like this much better than the butterfly effect :)
rulez added on the 2011-08-07 21:48:22 by ltk_tscc ltk_tscc
to be watched again and again.. rocks the core
rulez added on the 2011-08-07 22:08:24 by seism seism
There, I fixed it for you:

Things in demomusic that cause controversial discussions:

1) BAD Heavy metal guitars
2) BAD Vocals
added on the 2011-08-07 22:22:25 by gloom gloom
it's always a question of taste. visuals are okish, not more not less. so is the music. the vocals are digging the hole and the voice is kicking the demo in. one of the worst asd-demos ever. unfortunately the great particle-effects can't save it. it just sucks.
sucks added on the 2011-08-07 22:40:22 by sensenstahl sensenstahl

But no ants! :P
added on the 2011-08-07 22:50:14 by AntDude AntDude
Shoot, I forgot to thumb up. :(
added on the 2011-08-07 22:53:26 by AntDude AntDude
i am no fan of the music either, but it fits somehow!
the effect is untoppable! i am pretty sure you knew you had the winner this year ;)
the lyrics suck btw in what they say, just break loose! its hard but has to be done, so go on!
OH, FUCK! I just ♥ em visualz! ;)
rulez added on the 2011-08-07 22:57:17 by ɧ4ɾɗվ. ɧ4ɾɗվ.
rulez added on the 2011-08-07 22:58:16 by napsa napsa
Just watched 3 seconds of it. INSTANT THUMB UP.
rulez added on the 2011-08-07 23:02:38 by las las
Navis: there is some sick jaw drop stuff in this
rulez added on the 2011-08-07 23:25:57 by EviL EviL
Seeing some old elements/movements, but so nicely combined with awesome new elements and effects - result is great!
rulez added on the 2011-08-07 23:28:50 by anni anni
The standard ASD fare this time (where standard means your jaw goes slack and you just think "holy fuck" for 5 minutes of your life). I'll just go watch this another 10 times or so...
rulez added on the 2011-08-08 00:13:56 by psonice psonice
as a whole felt way too long, i do appreciate the covenant style ebm track but as many have pointed out the vocals do suck. couple of minutes shorter and with better vocals this would've been really good.
added on the 2011-08-08 00:16:04 by nosfe nosfe
rulez added on the 2011-08-08 09:42:43 by chromag chromag
felt a bit too repetitive but definitely a great show. Some really enjoyable scenes.
rulez added on the 2011-08-08 09:47:22 by wullon wullon
Not the next Lifeforce. Not even the next Happiness. Nice particle effects, sure, but the whole thing just reeks of recycling, and the almost-neon-on-black color scheme is jarring. Congratulations on the win, but unlike most newer ASD prods, I don't feel like re-watching this one.
sucks added on the 2011-08-08 10:02:37 by patson patson
More boring than what I'd expect from ASD... but not bad at all. Oh, and I don't have a problem with the music :-)
added on the 2011-08-08 10:17:50 by Jcl Jcl
Line rendering style (glitches etc.) rules big time. Let's see if I can persuade certain coders to steal this style ;)

aMusic: Any chances of getting stems of this soundtrack for remixing? Drop me a mail or sth..
added on the 2011-08-08 10:33:07 by el-bee el-bee
for the rendering.
Amusic: say yes to el-bee please :)
added on the 2011-08-08 10:51:14 by gloom gloom
I fucking love the line rendering effect. Just might be your second best demo IMO ;)
rulez added on the 2011-08-08 11:13:59 by kurli kurli
EBM, in my demos! Track should be namedYus! Visual overload, gonna take a while to work out what I saw. xD
rulez added on the 2011-08-08 11:21:14 by Mewler Mewler
The visuals were ace, and the direction was mostly fine (maybe too hectic sometimes), but the vocals were sitting in a strange midway of robotic and natural. As far as I know EBM lyrics aren't usually autotuned that much, so they didn't fit in too well. Maybe some distortion/bitcrusher would have brought the needed grit to make the vocals less comical.

I also enjoyed the sailing ship.
rulez added on the 2011-08-08 11:29:56 by cce cce
Makes me wonder what do people want in the end, maybe a Justin Timberlake tune? :D

Is this supposed to be a bad thing? Timberlake's last album was pretty awesome actually, so yeah, a Timberlake track in a demo would pretty much rule.

Visuals are nice, music not so much, but overall this didn't grab me at all.
added on the 2011-08-08 11:33:56 by okkie okkie
We also need a live act with this song :D It fits the demo perfectly.
rulez added on the 2011-08-08 12:10:24 by Danguafer Danguafer
Just listened to the tune alone. I like it personally (and I like this style, although I don't know what ebm is :)

Maybe the mix could do with a bit of work, the drums sounded like they needed a bit of sharpening up at the low end, but then i'm listening on iPod headphones so maybe the problem is there. The vocals work for me. Lyrics.. dunno, but honestly who listens to a track like this for deep lyrics? :D
added on the 2011-08-08 12:17:22 by psonice psonice
i can see the efforts made in this demo and i admire the ASD dudes and their past works.. but this demo didn't give it away for me at all. Not visually, nor the concept, nor by the soundtrack,
sucks added on the 2011-08-08 12:28:13 by nagz nagz
Just listened to the tune alone. I like it personally (and I like this style, although I don't know what ebm is :)

Tetsuo Vega: "You know what they call industrial music in Germany?"
Jules Win-Chen: "Don't they just call it industrial?"
Tetsuo Vega: "No, they got a whole different subculture. They don't know what 'industrial' is."
Jules Win-Chen: "Then what do they call it?"
Tetsuo Vega: "They call it Electro Body Music."
Jules Win-Chen: "Electro Body Music?!"
Tetsuo Vega: "That's right."
Jules Win-Chen: "Then what do they call techno?"
Tetsuo Vega: "Techno's techno. They just call it 'Le Techno'. You know what they put on drums in Belgium instead of reverb? Flange."
added on the 2011-08-08 12:36:55 by okkie okkie
With a bit of work I think this soundtrack could be really great! The main problem for me with it was the calmest part of the vocals. They where... horrible... Kinda sounds like a robot that has learned english from a german teacher.

The parts with more layers of vocals works better and I actually liked it a bit there :) So it's not all bad this tune. So I am hoping for a final version :) Anyway. a HUGE step up from butterfly effect when it comes to using vocals. So keep up the work aMusic!

When it comes to the rest of the demo! Superb stuff. Stuff do look great!
rulez added on the 2011-08-08 12:51:58 by Proteque Proteque
feels like rupture 3.0.
rulez added on the 2011-08-08 12:53:26 by wysiwtf wysiwtf
Makes me wonder what do people want in the end, maybe a Justin Timberlake tune? :D

Hell yes!
rulez added on the 2011-08-08 12:54:36 by skrebbel skrebbel
The rendering looks nice, the demo itself feels like a object and color scheme recycling show to me. Seeing it the first time, I quitted when I saw the rhino break through the walls. For me it's just like a calm river, floating on, without a zenith. Sadly boring.

The only thing that saves it for me, was the music. I really liked that one!

And I second docD:
now start bitchslapping me...and please dont forget the "if you dont like it do it better" phrases.
added on the 2011-08-08 13:02:52 by Raven^NCE Raven^NCE
Is this supposed to be a bad thing? Timberlake's last album was pretty awesome actually, so yeah, a Timberlake track in a demo would pretty much rule.

Depends on the point of view really.. but even so, I think he meant Justin Bieber... =p.
added on the 2011-08-08 13:14:10 by aMUSiC aMUSiC
Really liked it. The soundtrack is ok, but for once I actually have to join the ones complaining about the mastering - I think the vocals drowned in the rest, and overall the mix was kind of muddled.

I would also label this "futurepop" rather than EBM, as it has more in common with Covenant and VNV Nation than with DAF or Wumpscut.

About the singing: It's not good, but few futurepop acts have good singers, so that's nothing out of the ordinary. :-P The two I already mentioned are the exceptions I can think of.
rulez added on the 2011-08-08 13:30:47 by Radiant Radiant
fucking awesome rendering
rulez added on the 2011-08-08 13:35:35 by tobé tobé
music - to be more precise - the vocals surprised me, but i like industrial. and it's not just another particle demo, thums up for that.
rulez added on the 2011-08-08 13:35:42 by pista pista
Cool demo even if i don't like so much the music. Will not be my favourite ASD demo even if there are lot of interestings effects ! Good work :)
rulez added on the 2011-08-08 13:44:56 by Hexogen Hexogen
It looks like a lot of recycling of older ASD demos (meshes...), though the "lightning-contour" rendering effect is just awesome.
I would give a thumb but the music... I just didn't like it so much that it was a bit difficult to watch the demo to the end.
So it's a piggy.
added on the 2011-08-08 13:47:15 by flure flure
nice effects but don't like vocal stuffs in the soundtrack ..
added on the 2011-08-08 13:47:25 by sINk sINk
Absolutely enjoyable, and very much so. Some of the best (if not the best) visuals I've seen this year. They do something to me when I watch them.
rulez added on the 2011-08-08 14:39:04 by Lord Graga Lord Graga
Also, some more tech info would be awesome. If you could do a smash-style write-up on this demo I'd be grateful.
Enjoyed it!

Awesome transitions and feel to the whole thing. The music (mastering) did not fit in the hall though, sounds better here at home. And nice to hear some future-pop for a change although I really like your typical guitar-tracks as well.
rulez added on the 2011-08-08 14:43:21 by velo velo
I am huge fan of all previous ASD prods and love them all but this time there is something I dont like. Some effects are nice and really kick ass (like the one on the screenshot) but most others have already been seen somewhere else (like in rupture and also another particle demo released a few months ago (dont remember the name)). I cannot ignore all the efforts that have been done for this demo but its definitly not my cup of tea.
sucks added on the 2011-08-08 14:55:12 by Tigrou Tigrou
Hi all,

First of all thanks for all the comments, positive and negative; and thanks for all the votes too!

"Spin" started as an experimental demo, back in January 2011. The purpose was:

1) To make a demo with peculiar rendering (particles or lines or something else) that would embrace the nothingness of the background.
2) To make a demo that is one camera take.
3) To use, somehow, the Kinect depth camera.
4) To finish the whole thing in less than 2 weeks.
5) To go to Assembly or Evoke with it and aim for top-3.

I started and finished with the visuals in early April (working on it alongside Butterfly effect). The demo was augmented with that particle explosion effect, which worked quite well with the lines. The original name that I gave it was "The evolution of human locomotion", but when Amusic wrote the soundtrack we stuck with "Spin", which is more suitable. Do read the lyrics to find out what it is about, then check how they match with the visuals. "Through the door" - "Colourful nightmares" - "spinning in a shell"; I don't recall another demo that words *mean* something.

I will talk about technology in another post, but for now I say: wow! how bizarre that the 20th Assembly demo compo is won by a glitchy demo! when did that happen before? Starstruck maybe? Yet, Starstruck has large sections with normal rendering. Spin was a big gamble because nobody knew how well it would go with the crowd: yellow lines against black background? winning the compo?! yeah that'll be the day. The day has come, we're evolving!!

I love it \o/
added on the 2011-08-08 15:01:10 by Navis Navis
Hahahahhahahahahahahahahahahaha. Good stuff, Navis, good stuff! Oh man, you're funny.
Dedicated to aMusic:


I'm sorry, but I actually prefer this track to the original. Although I think I laughed more at the original vocals.
added on the 2011-08-08 15:47:00 by Wade Wade
huh, that's funny. Did anyone else wanted to press esc on the nyancat run on the pc at the infodesk or it was just me? I couldn't find the damn keyboard or mouse...
added on the 2011-08-08 15:51:07 by Navis Navis
Navis: No, but your comments and attitude towards making demos (not to mention how you perceive your group and yourself) makes lot of people cringe. No matter, it's all very amusing :)
I don't know what I say that makes people cringe, can you elaborate please?
added on the 2011-08-08 16:11:23 by Navis Navis
Maybe some of it is a bit arrogant? Maybe sometimes it sounds like you think you know better and are in the position to say how to make things the right way? Maybe you're competitive to the point of being ridiculous? Maybe you try too much (ie. like everytime you try to include meaning in your demos, or how about the lyrics). Could be these reasons or some others. Maybe some self reflecting would not hurt?
Navis : I don't see the problem. Personnally your comments often makes me want to give another chance to those ASD demos I didn't like. Remember Anoxia ? Reading your comments made me watch it a second time to take the time to understand it... I still dont like it but it's not for artistic nor technical reasons ;)
I don't like Spin for personal reasons, but your explanations about the making of it almost make me want to give a thumb up...

So don't mind about the "cringe". Talking about your demo is IMVHO the best way to help people understand your work.
added on the 2011-08-08 16:22:10 by flure flure
Trivialfursuit: Sir, I've been involved in the demoscene for almost 20 years, and made several trips abroad to parties with demos. I've spent collective weeks sleeping on floors and watching productions on big screens. I've spoken to MANY people who are willing to listen to how a demo is made, what makes the producers tick and where this whole thing we call "demoscene" is going to. I like to engage in heated conversations and exchange harmless insults with guys like Smash. I personally wish I knew how other creators think, what references do they use and so on.

I've tried to be honest with my popular culture references, my weaknesses as a coder and designer and my wish-lists for the future of the demoscene and ASD. Of course, I've also been supportive of my work and fellow group members. I've used this forum since it was created 10 years ago and continue to do so to give insight into our work and the spirit of our collaboration. Most people rather enjoy that.

I don't have to be apologetic, of all people, to you (a newcomer that has already made 6-7 idiotic comments about things you clearly have no clue about) about my stance and work, but you find me on a good day.
added on the 2011-08-08 16:36:09 by Navis Navis
I don't recall another demo that words *mean* something.
added on the 2011-08-08 16:46:48 by Gargaj Gargaj
words that relate to the visuals I should say. Correct me if I'm wrong.
added on the 2011-08-08 16:50:17 by Navis Navis
i dont get the naysayer comments and thumbdowns here. the visuals are brilliant and fitting the soundtrack very well.

and just for some constructive feedback on the sound side:
you might want to check the song frequency spectrum next time. even foobars simple spectrometer shows you how much volume there is in the lower frequencies.
which should explain why it sounded so awfully with those bigass speakers at the party, so that you could hardly hear anything else except beat and bass.

to conclude:
this is a great production. period
rulez added on the 2011-08-08 16:59:26 by gopher gopher
Navis: The things you just said support my words before. Also, some of your lengthy comments (here, in Pouet) about other people's demos are definitely fun to read.
gave me goosebumps.. i love it..
rulez added on the 2011-08-08 17:08:10 by toxie toxie
trivialfursuit: you definitely seem to have a chip on your shoulder mate. Have we met in real life? did I piss in your beer or something? The timing of the creation of your account on pouet and Assembly seems to be a very interesting coincidence for a guy, supposedly been "watching old amiga demos for yonks". Yet you have taken the time to read my lengthy comments on other people's work. Like what?

Stranger and stranger...
added on the 2011-08-08 17:11:02 by Navis Navis
words that relate to the visuals I should say. Correct me if I'm wrong.

imho: http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=54565

added on the 2011-08-08 17:18:37 by slyspy slyspy
Yet you have taken the time to read my lengthy comments on other people's work. Like what?

trivialfursuit was problably speaking about your comments on my intros ;)
added on the 2011-08-08 17:19:00 by rez rez
this looks like trolling every other demogroup out there
rulez added on the 2011-08-08 17:25:06 by provod provod
slyspy: yes, most probably. I should rephrase my comment as: lyrics that serve a dual purpose; to describe an abstract idea/situation with references on objects/situations that are reflected in the visuals. So, for example, when Amusic says "spiral inside a shell", the shell is metaphorical (going round) and real (a man running inside a shell). This approach is similar to the ones taken in many video-clips. I'm not sure this is noticeable or not, I personally wasn't involved in the lyrics, aMusic did. And I think he did a great job in working on two layers at the same time.

I think it is within the pouet etiquette to give him praise for that (even if I'm discussing our own demo), considering how much aggro he gets for lyrics and stuff. Trying now to be an objective viewer I think that the lyrics are actually the best part of this demo.

rez: It is typically against my will to thumb down productions or write, what can be perceived as, nasty comments. I didn't intent my comments to your 64k intro to be cruel but maybe they were. I'm sorry for this. If there is a Main 2012 I'll try to make it and get you a beer!
added on the 2011-08-08 17:30:51 by Navis Navis
maybe im too young to appreciate this piece of shit. personally im not a big fan of EBM and dont have any connection to it like others do. but i usually think aMUSIC's other pieces are better, but its cool that that you experiment with singing and such for yourself. thats a big step into maybe making something better, maybe, i dont know. also the combination of running people and animals was not my cup of tea, it didnt fit the tune or something. for me this is the worst demo from you, when i usually adore and think that the other work you do is interessting and all good stuff. i expected a great demo, but it was not, but i don't mind about that since it was an experiment. its ok. i watched it with an subjective mind and not as in a coders view, i sometimes find it hard to judge by both together, so i rule this out now. I dont know how much work Navis put into this either, two weeks(?), but my critisism still stands. im not being cruel, just trying to be honest with my judging. im looking forward too see your next demo.
sucks added on the 2011-08-08 18:14:30 by rudi rudi
Wow, this rules. Some fresh stuff... the "EBM´ish" soundtrack imo fits like butt onto bucket, tho i think it didn´t deliver the force it was supposed to do. Anyway, it´s an approach which i really appreciate. For the soundtrack aspect alone... i do know many commercial "EBM´ish" projects that are by far worse, so it can´t be that bad. Really cool demo. But wtf do I know... *jiggle*
rulez added on the 2011-08-08 18:19:53 by nty_ nty_
im not a big fan of ebm but this song was really really .... i dont want to be offensive ..
sucks added on the 2011-08-08 18:24:48 by relias abardon relias abardon
Not the best you have done, but I love the details you always add to your demos, like the smooth transitions (thats my favorite ASD thing).
The effects and visuals are superb, but I didn't get that exiting feeling I usually get. Feels like something is missing from the storyline.
Soundtrack was ok, but the vocals didn't work for me.

All in all, you've done it again, just wanted to add some opinions so the next one get even better :)
rulez added on the 2011-08-08 18:55:29 by pingo pingo
Loved the demo and especially how the short segment of the running mans face managed to set the atmosphere for the rest of the demo.
rulez added on the 2011-08-08 19:16:32 by Endymio Endymio
I enjoyed the demo. The graphics are interesting but definitely good and the soundtrack does occasionally remind me of Infected Mushroom.
rulez added on the 2011-08-08 20:49:02 by Shadikka Shadikka
Amazing flow! (as usual with asd prods)
About the music... well, it's a question of taste, but ebm is ok for me.
rulez added on the 2011-08-08 21:48:56 by untel untel
Hmm how about lyrics-to-visuals connection:


Then again, it does have 'pizza' instead of 'toast' ;)
added on the 2011-08-08 22:12:42 by el-bee el-bee
awesome visuals and horrible music.
rulez added on the 2011-08-08 22:50:19 by teo teo
I'd love to see this demo realtime in full framerate, but unfortunately most of it (except the amazing scene from the screenshot) runs much under 20fps here. But I can see it is absolutely wonderful.
BTW, the scene with running rhino is perfectly in sync with music, but (except the one case) music lacks some *THUMP* when the rhino is actually crashing through the walls!
And guess what? Cool vocals :)
rulez added on the 2011-08-08 23:02:57 by rutra80 rutra80
muna by hirmu does have lyrics-to-visuals connection!

then of course a few pwp demos, like human resistance, future 1999, robotic warrior and robotic liberation.

i vaguely recall that there's been some others too, just can't remember them exactly right now...
added on the 2011-08-08 23:21:10 by nosfe nosfe
/me is sitting in ASD's anti-matter-hyper-space-ship looking down and laughing at rez's audience riding linux-driven tricycles.
added on the 2011-08-08 23:29:04 by rutra80 rutra80
wonderful navis. Best particle demo so far.
rulez added on the 2011-08-08 23:30:45 by auld auld
Navis... since trivialfursuit said you iz a bit arrogant I suggest you just ignore, or more polite if you want... just dont give a shit
talk about not knowing people.... pheeeeeew
oh and thx for sharing how to do stuff the good way as I am at it
added on the 2011-08-09 00:48:07 by EviL EviL
Masterpiece... The music was excellent!!! And Navis has shown that when a new code direction is implemented navis steps up and blows the rest out of the water...

well done ASD... from all your fans right down here in AUSTRALIA!!
rulez added on the 2011-08-09 01:13:19 by reload reload
pure eyecandy! thumbs up for trying an alternative music genre too :D
rulez added on the 2011-08-09 02:57:04 by jco jco
Awesome work as most of the times! ;)
The particles are great and run fast enough on my machine! The glue that sticks everything together is awesome, whatever it is!

Must read the flame when properly awake.

This could work really well as a commercial for Adidas or some other sports equipment brand.
rulez added on the 2011-08-09 05:40:22 by xernobyl xernobyl
all has been said
rulez added on the 2011-08-09 08:00:45 by jasuy jasuy
I could cry. That was amazing.
rulez added on the 2011-08-09 08:59:17 by Jerware Jerware
Very good direction and atmosphere. Pretty powerful animals there, rocking the sub-conscious. Thank you!
rulez added on the 2011-08-09 09:39:47 by tripper tripper
Visuals were very nice even with some strange selection of objects. Music was definitely a step in to the right direction apart from vocals which were absolutely hideous.
rulez added on the 2011-08-09 10:36:17 by pommak pommak
I can't help it but I've been watching it over and over, not in the last place because of the music, it's got that synthy untz-untz.

navis, amusic & co: THANK you.
added on the 2011-08-09 16:14:26 by superplek superplek
(and navis be a doll and do some kind of tech making of post somewhere, it'd be interesting)
added on the 2011-08-09 16:15:05 by superplek superplek
Seems like ASD would even be better at arranging mixing-compos...

About the demo, I found myself to be disappointed for seeing again the somethings-escaping-to-somewhere-routine. Visually of course this is quite some advanced shit, and the music had it's moments. Half of the parts seemed little too uneventful for such fast paced track. And I cannot even remember single new idea right now from it :( Except the track has been playing in my head, after only two viewings, strange :) Pity tho about those parts in the music which I do not wish to remember...
added on the 2011-08-09 16:28:00 by Visualice Visualice
I especially loved the running particle video man.
rulez added on the 2011-08-09 16:50:49 by loaderror loaderror
On the technical side:

* The outlines: render a frame with a shader that shows the discontinuities of the normal map. On objects with hard edges it will look like a scene from rupture. Upload to CPU, trace it with cvContours or something similar and then you have an array of curves; smooth curves, render with line/quad strips. Find circular patterns and render them as zig-zag lines to give an impression of shading.

The demo actually runs *two* scenes at any given time, each with a different camera. We interpolate between curves from both scenes - a man "becomes" another man by geometrical interpolation of the curves. Problems:

The basic problem is that the indecies of curves between the two sets (scenes) is fairly random. So another mechanism is needed to make the correspondence of curves between scene #1 and #2, using some heuristic that looks into a similarity pattern (curvature, size, locality). The correspondence must be such so that it is retained over several frames, as interpolation takes place. Actually make that ALL frames of the demo, as the interpolant is never 0 or 1, but always between 0.2 and 0.8, for extra effect (check that when the cheetah is running before the rhino; the lines flowing behind it is part of the interpolation effect).
If you ignore the correspondence of curves between the sets of curves (which sets, by the way, have *not* the same size - the size of the sets is completely variable, some times it's even zero), then the effect breaks down completely.

The other problem is with the zig-zag lines: you need to make sure that the indecies for points for a given curve correspond to a similar point on 2D space for consecutive frames, otherwise the zig-zag lines jump up and down randomly. This is another problem, since there is, again, no guarantee that a closed curve is not going to appear and disappear from one frame to another; or two curves will split/merge and so on.

* The particles: the other visual effect in Spin is the particle "blow up". A large set of particles (around 1.5-2m of them) is constructed based on a 3D rendering. This happens on every frame. The particles are quasi-3D, more like depth map but not exactly. They "move" based on a "blow up" 3D function of time and the RGBA of the texel of the rendered image under the particle. You can see this effect working rather well at the end of the demo (animals getting exploded), which, by the way, is my favourite scene. The camera work is quite clever so as to hide the fact that the effect is more 2D than 3D!

What is hard here, of course, is to make it so that the 2D rendering of the contours and the 3D world interact - one can get behind the other like they'd do if there was a magical zbuffer in place. The complete pipeline is:

1) Render a 3D scene of a tunnel with a moon at the back. Retain Z-buffer.
2) Render a rhino with an edge detection shader, using Z-buffer from 1). Upload to CPU. Find and convert into an array of closed splines.
3) Render a running man with an edge detection shader, using Z-buffer from 1). Upload to CPU. Find and convert into an array of closed splines.
4) Take texture of rendered scene of 1) and convert into a particle cloud. Render particle cloud.
5) Correspond splines from 2) and 3) and render interpolated lines on top.

4) and 5) may also share a fake depth buffer (last scene has the man running through particles, some go in front and some behind).

added on the 2011-08-09 18:38:38 by Navis Navis
Visuals are very nice. Music sucks. Good work.
rulez added on the 2011-08-09 19:41:44 by suckho suckho
rulez added on the 2011-08-09 21:41:06 by moqui moqui
I didn't like it much during the compo, but on closer acquaintance (also, closer to the screen) I do.

Thus I didn't want to comment until I rewatched it properly. I often find "glitchy" stuff messy and annoying, but this one is nice...right amount of it I guess. I still like your "butterfly effect" more, but that's just my taste.. ;)

About the music discussion, I find no problem with it and the music and vocals are good I think. In fact, a lot of synth pop / EBM acts have much worse vocals than this.
rulez added on the 2011-08-09 21:44:11 by jaw jaw
aye! music waaay better than butterfly effect.
rulez added on the 2011-08-09 23:32:47 by comankh comankh
*LOL* Some kind of... I dunno... futurepop soundtrack ;D. Oh, well... Very nice-looking visuals as usual, nice effects but I felt that the pacing was dragging. The demo felt too long and some scenes could certainly have been cut down or cut entirely.
rulez added on the 2011-08-10 00:53:41 by elfan elfan
Navis: Great technical write-up. Thanks a lot :).
added on the 2011-08-10 00:58:20 by elfan elfan
Tetsuo Vega: "You know what they call industrial music in Germany?"
Jules Win-Chen: "Don't they just call it industrial?"
Tetsuo Vega: "No, they got a whole different subculture. They don't know what 'industrial' is."
Jules Win-Chen: "Then what do they call it?"
Tetsuo Vega: "They call it Electro Body Music."
Jules Win-Chen: "Electro Body Music?!"
Tetsuo Vega: "That's right."
Jules Win-Chen: "Then what do they call techno?"
Tetsuo Vega: "Techno's techno. They just call it 'Le Techno'. You know what they put on drums in Belgium instead of reverb? Flange."

*LOL* That's some funny shit right there ;D.
added on the 2011-08-10 01:04:14 by elfan elfan
Besides for the vocals being a bit goofy (like being in a way too low register for that vocalist to handle) I can't see anything profoundly wrong with them. The overall mixing impression is at least better than for "Butterfly..." but that might be because the composition for that prod is very clean which makes every mixing mistake very easy to spot. It's ok as far as I'm concerned. Although, I reckon you could probably increase the volume of the vocals and cut some mid to improve things. Not that I would know anything about that, but still ;D.
added on the 2011-08-10 01:37:09 by elfan elfan
the Planet's sickness. Powerfully, effectively demonstrated.

It reflects the modern era accurately. Twentyfourseven slavewheel + ants running blindly
and to what end? CONSUME/CAREER/WEEKEND. Though it's healthy u've some sorta goal/dst and you are
determined to get it, but it should be absent deadlines and with nullstress, such as is
with the scene very much.
rulez added on the 2011-08-10 03:12:26 by funkdoobiest funkdoobiest
Wow!! How do you do that? And when?
Amazing combination of different rendering effects. Actually, I was wondering, why you never applied the "evolution of vision" effects as a linking thread for a bigger production.

Spin is quite amazing, of course. I love the beginning and the animals running over bridges and through walls. My favorite scene, however, is the shape of the man running in the circle. It's almost like redefining Leonardo for the new age of Accelerando. It's especially powerful, because its simple and calm design nicely contrasts the generally hectic overall atmosphere of Spin.

Off topic: One good thing about this particle madness is that it refuses to be video captured. You actually need to run demos again, instead of watching youtube.
rulez added on the 2011-08-10 09:25:35 by pixtur pixtur
I like this type of music, and the visuals set it off perfectly. Really great exploitation of that new effect.
rulez added on the 2011-08-10 10:16:27 by andr00 andr00
i am spede!
rulez added on the 2011-08-10 10:37:59 by yzi yzi
hough it's healthy u've some sorta goal/dst and you are
determined to get it, but it should be absent deadlines and with nullstress, such as is
with the scene very much.

Yes! The scene is known to have no deadlines or stress involvement at all! ^_^
added on the 2011-08-10 11:05:00 by okkie okkie
I had mixed feelings about this one. The music is definitely not my cup of tea, but the visuals are, as always, spectacular. One is habituated to have in ASD demos more...variety, magical transitions, and not too much exploitation of the same effect. Anyway, you guys absolutely own the demoscene. 4 1st prizes in Assembly? Awesome, just awesome. Congratulations.
rulez added on the 2011-08-10 14:31:24 by soueusou soueusou
actually the first ASD demo with good music (for me). and i'm no ebm fanboy. it's probably also the visuals, because they fit so well together, it's incredible :)

while i really like the post effects, they feel a tad too much, but only a tad. dunno how to explain that though.

what i dislike is the re-use of some objects, some of them seem to drag on in many of your releases (the eagle? the bridge?) so this one feels a bit recycled.

however, good work! i hope to see more demos that make use of the kinect, there's definitely more potential.

my personal #1 from asm! great work.

i'm saluting to: navis, amusic, ch3 and amoivikos!
rulez added on the 2011-08-10 18:56:59 by prost prost
It's ok, but little bit much recycling of older demos and too long. Anyway good.
rulez added on the 2011-08-11 00:00:55 by Chainsaw Chainsaw
music PWNZ

i usually dislike music in ASD demos, but this one kickass

strange demo, but awesome anyways, even if it doesn't make the "iconoclast" heart attack when i saw it

great work as usual :)
rulez added on the 2011-08-11 00:29:19 by bull bull
Meh. Started out promising with the great looking animations, coherent visuals and fitting cheesy music. And then I got terminally bored, as things turned into a full blown wannabe FLTCNCD fest, with recycling and fugly colors to boot. Guess it's too easy to crowd-whore votes at ASM. That said, was glad to see a comeback from rhino's ass :)
added on the 2011-08-11 11:16:03 by break break
Everything's Genius but the music.
rulez added on the 2011-08-11 12:05:42 by doh doh
This prod is just horrible. I was impressed by the first few seconds but the same effects drag on too long and the promising soundtrack quickly turns out to be a bad joke. Whatever they're trying to convey, it's not coming through. It does have an aura of trying too hard though with all the recycling and FLT-like ideas.

Navis, every comment of yours reeks of arrogance and your attitude shows in your work. It's been a long way since Iconoclast which was an amazing piece of work with genuine humor and humility, and it looks like a steady downhill ride.
sucks added on the 2011-08-11 22:23:35 by haap303 haap303
A great production, ASD as their own type of demos which! I read many people complain about the music...?! Personnaly, many demos as an aggressive and noisy! Hope people prefer at least this one compare to those... anyway, everyone has their own taste I guess! ;-P
rulez added on the 2011-08-11 23:01:52 by F-Cycles F-Cycles
very nice one!
rulez added on the 2011-08-12 00:00:05 by tirox tirox
The visual impression are really nice in some places but it would have been equally impressive with new models or simply something abstract, I think.

On the musical side, however, I'm not that impressed. My personal preference of style or genre shouldn't get in the way for an objective view on it.

First of all - take a listen to Virgill's song I'm Free from MS2001. Vocals are definately not a bad thing when done right!

In my experience, the vast majority of scenmusicians doing songs with vocals start off by composing a piece of music that could easily stand alone without the lyrics. Then the lyrics are added and perhaps the composition adjusted a bit.

There's actually a huge difference in music meant for vocals and music meant to stand alone.

Gopher has a point about the levels across the frequency spectrum. There seems to be quite a few instruments colliding at the lower frequencies, muting eachother out. Compression would take care of that, and since it's a song for a demo, there should be plenty of compression-modules to chose from. Another - and in my opinion better - way to do it, is to carefully inspect the frequency-response of each instrument used. Try to equalize them, so you have less amplitude on frequency bands that collide. That's a great way to prevent unwanted distortion too.

All in all, I think the track is decently composed, but should be a little less "stand alone" to leave room for the vocals.

Just my 5 cents worth of constructive criticism and reason for the piggy. I am afterall more into music than geometry and shaders, so do forgive me :)
added on the 2011-08-12 00:02:26 by Punqtured Punqtured
Another Stellar Demo
rulez added on the 2011-08-12 02:10:56 by iTeC iTeC
_H2o_ : people are entitled to their opinions so stfu.

What haap303 said basically, especially when it comes to Navis's arrogance.

sucks added on the 2011-08-12 06:49:12 by mudlord mudlord
This is a great demo. Navis this demo appeals to a broader audience. I've shown it to some "normal" people and they enjoyed it far more than they did other demos especially the song. Though 90% of all ASD demos appeal to everyone including non-sceners
your other demos also have appealedto normal people audience.
rulez added on the 2011-08-12 08:23:59 by havokentity havokentity
This prod is great. STFU haters... Navis's arrogance is earned. ASD's demos are the greater than any other demogroups.. the only demo thats really as appealing as asd' demos' was that old haujhobb demo with the female singing and elevated.. other demos generally never appealed to the broadest audience possible. whats the pt of making a demo that appeals to just demosceners. moreover asd's demos are technically and artistically complicated as well.
aMusics's music is awesome.. best demoscene music ever!!
havikentity: for someone apparently "defending" ASD, you sure are making a piss-poor job of it. As anyone who has ever spent a few minutes with Navis can tell you: he is perhaps the least arrogant person around. People will read what they will into his statements, but arrogance sure as hell isn't part of it.
added on the 2011-08-12 08:39:05 by gloom gloom
the number of fake accounts seems to be drastically increasing.....
added on the 2011-08-12 08:56:57 by prost prost
Great style!
rulez added on the 2011-08-12 09:11:36 by blueflame blueflame
+ overall feeling
+ rendering effects
+ mood of the song
+ refrain
+ runner in tube

- very bad singing/mixing (the voice is way too deep for the overall pitch)
- rhino breaks through walls with greek columns behind - c'mon, how kitchy!
- a tad to long
rulez added on the 2011-08-12 11:03:47 by a-move a-move
regarding music, i dont guess it's actually a true EBM, that is much harder with more noisy aggresive sounds; this one clearly reminds me early electronica pioneers Kraftwerk and inlucing visuals in scetchy style as from osciloscope get connected with that too.. check their music clips - flat or wire models of faces etc. i guess the track really fits together with visuals and even the lyrics seems to say something ;) i have absolutely no issue with this track and visuals together, they are melted well even i am not big fun of melodic early electronica music i was happy to hear this kind of music in ASD production; and this piece admire larger set of viewers outside of demoscene as nonsceners are often too quickly bored from "all-the-same" demos, of course the are not the same but the distinctive style of demos is not the cut of tea of every scene outsider.. this is a family demo! everyone will enjoy it :-)
added on the 2011-08-12 11:18:55 by zden zden
i usually don't like these kind of demos but asd has a special touch. i'm still not a fan of this demo but adore the technicial background of it.
rulez added on the 2011-08-12 12:54:21 by Skate Skate
Nice trip, weird ideas, music fits. Thumbs up !!
rulez added on the 2011-08-12 18:35:51 by Pit Pit
@zden Being inspired by Call the Ships to Port by Covenant, the track is technically "Futurepop" (a sub-genre of EBM) started by bands Covenant and VNV Nation. :)

Also, Spin is in the top 50 pc demos in less then a week! Epic win!
added on the 2011-08-13 09:47:37 by Mewler Mewler
Wow. Well done.
Some recycling, maybe an overuse of the "running"-theme in the last few asd-years and the trademark-kitsch looks a bit out of place this time… but these are minor (and stupid) complaints. Everything fits together really well and makes an awesome ride!

The vocals, I don't think they are bad, but some parts sound really strange… not as perfect as the rest of the prod demands. (I'm one of the few who really loved, and still loves, the old progressive-rock-guitar-electro-overkill-style so my taste and my expectations may play a role here)
rulez added on the 2011-08-15 10:14:05 by imYemeth imYemeth
good effects > seems like a music video. so thumbs up, also if the music didn't really catch me.
rulez added on the 2011-08-15 11:42:19 by seppjo seppjo
funny vocals
added on the 2011-08-15 12:00:46 by xeNusion xeNusion
Funny that people are again complaining about the vocals when this time they're not even the problem - the whole mixing of the song is waaaay off (I mean, bass part of the drums at the far right, treble at the far left? WTF?). Quite weird that you say you took Call the Ships to Port as a reference because that's one of the best produced tracks in the whole genre, and Spin sounds like a _very_ early Apop or VNV song instead. Or rather like a bastard child of Underworld and the Crüxshadows. Or something. I'm looking forward to LB's remix; the composition is, again, good. :)

About the demo itself: Very much what pixtur said; somewhat less lenght wouldn't have hurt tho.
rulez added on the 2011-08-16 10:13:07 by kb_ kb_
grekerna kan sin data och aMusic kan sin musik
rulez added on the 2011-08-16 11:27:08 by Queen_Luna Queen_Luna
Well, I'm not fake and I raise my thumb UP!
rulez added on the 2011-08-16 12:22:49 by olspookishmagus olspookishmagus
Very nice visuals in this demo, I especially liked the parts where raster graphics morph into a normal 3D scene (like in the rhino breaking walls part). The music is solid in the literal sense: Designed to blow up your sound system. Its only issue is the rather dodgy accent at times.

Watched it on wine 1.2.3 with no issues whatsoever.
rulez added on the 2011-08-16 16:22:14 by moT moT
What _docd and wysiwtf said...
added on the 2011-08-16 17:38:06 by shuffle2 shuffle2
Awesome effect, but I found the visuals to be detached from the music, both in style and progression. Feels like there is no head and tail to it, really.
added on the 2011-08-17 13:57:57 by Blueberry Blueberry
Impressive visuals, but I didn't like the music though. Still a BIG thumb up!
rulez added on the 2011-08-17 17:36:28 by Cosmocat Cosmocat
[video (1080p)] and [video (720p)] are rendered wrong. Compare with YouTube at 4:20-4:30 (clock scene).
Please, capture another 1080p and 720p.
added on the 2011-08-19 08:21:03 by Manwe Manwe
Unusual soundtrack, unusual visuals, yet again in a positive, probably not perfect way but certainly original. Like it.
rulez added on the 2011-08-19 18:56:07 by Paranoid Paranoid
Wow, that was cool and very different from most of the recent pixel-shader-and-particels-to stuff.

ASD - Absolutely Stunning Demos! (since 1891, if I remeber correctly)
rulez added on the 2011-08-19 22:22:00 by JAC! JAC!
This is the kind of demo that anyone from the demoscene should show to anyone out of it, because it is a true demo.
rulez added on the 2011-08-20 13:32:06 by ulrick ulrick
What ulrick said. Demos like this are pure art. Wonderful stuff.
rulez added on the 2011-08-23 00:02:46 by Mtl Mtl
90% thumb up still qualifies :)
rulez added on the 2011-08-24 18:09:07 by cxnull cxnull
As always, watching an ASD demo reaches to the depths of my soul and gives me one of the best pleasures that I ever experience.

However, the vocals are really bad for the watching experience. They pop up to the foreground and make the whole rest of the stream (video, music) secondary to them. A first-class demo becomes a mediocre clip for a mediocre song. It should not be like that. Visuals must stay in the foreground, with music augmenting them, and vocals just ruin this tight balance. The music on its own is really good though, so I think I would also love to watch it with a vocal-free but otherwise the same soundtrack. Can I also get it please?

rulez added on the 2011-08-24 20:54:20 by MichaelB MichaelB

No. No I can't.
rulez added on the 2011-08-27 05:09:22 by MidKnight MidKnight
really nice prod.
rulez added on the 2011-08-28 17:12:00 by .reEto .reEto
rulez added on the 2011-08-28 21:46:37 by Salvation Salvation
nice parts in ther. what kb says
i think it was hard work, thumb up or this. but the music kills that nice demo
sucks added on the 2011-08-29 22:30:50 by seriva_sun seriva_sun
that was not such a good prod as your last demo. piggy for the work -for the music, -for inovation.

td for bad music
sucks added on the 2011-08-29 23:57:31 by polyphone polyphone
polyphone: its a little bit too hard. the production was solid and deserves a piggy
added on the 2011-08-30 00:35:40 by sir giddy sir giddy
Solid quality work, as always!
Voting with thumbs down for such a release should be considered blasphemy. How crappy should cappy crap be if this would be considered crap? THUMBS UP! Haters gonna hate anyway...
rulez added on the 2011-08-31 15:18:19 by Tyger Tyger
Far from being solid. The first scenes are totally disconnected, the music is repetitive but not too bad, but still... The vocals are horrible and the animated figures are not very esthetic ....Man, you guys should take a break or something.
added on the 2011-09-02 22:58:20 by Exin Exin
WTF is wrong with you people?! If you think it sucks, go and do frakin better demo, then.

Obvious thumbs up.
rulez added on the 2011-09-16 18:02:55 by argasek argasek
This demo rulez without a doubt!
rulez added on the 2011-09-17 10:46:20 by demosgood demosgood
You (and Fairlight) guys have reached a level of demomaking that's impossible to beat. You reached a level of professional and top notch demomaking that makes anything else completely unworthy to watch.
Cheers for that, but now, give your techniques away.
rulez added on the 2011-09-18 22:24:07 by iks iks
"Voting with thumbs down for such a release should be considered blasphemy." It's NOT !!! Do you know why ?

*** DEMO developers please read !!! ***

Because i will give every DEMO thumbs down if i must restart computer because developer never thought that his demo might not work and he put window on the top, so in case of failure you can't do anything but restart computer.

Screen is black, windows is on top of others and keyboard is disabled. No task manager no chance to quit program.

You must restart computer. This is problem with most of the demos.

Why developers cannot leave chance to user to quit inresposible demo ?

I don't want to restart computer for every demo that don't work and you have very good chance that would happen because many graphic cards are not supported in most of the demos.

THUMBS DOWN for every bug not ready demo.
sucks added on the 2011-09-20 01:24:10 by Qatayam Qatayam
sucks added on the 2011-09-20 04:03:34 by zoolum zoolum
wtf is wrong with you people. seriously.
added on the 2011-09-20 22:53:56 by Navis Navis
Screen is black, windows is on top of others and keyboard is disabled. No task manager no chance to quit program.

You must restart computer. This is problem with most of the demos.

better watch youtube then until you own a decent pc or the skills to manage your OS

added on the 2011-09-21 23:31:10 by gopher gopher
rulez added on the 2011-09-23 00:52:59 by besh besh
Loved the visuals, very 80s feel which rocks.
rulez added on the 2011-10-01 00:11:00 by Intrinsic Intrinsic
I haven't thumbed this up yet, really?

Definitely one of my faves from ASD.
rulez added on the 2011-10-04 14:10:43 by moozooh moozooh
White screen only for me. ATI 6970/Win7-64.
added on the 2011-10-09 17:44:01 by emote emote
been a while since i got chills from a demo. i really like this demo! it is beautiful.
rulez added on the 2011-10-09 18:30:24 by chavez chavez
drunk comment:

i watched it the third and fourth time on the Evoke2011-BigScreen and all i did was telling ppl how good the tune fits the visuals ;)

so in the end you convinced me ;)

(its often like that: you produce some demo, seeing it or parts of it several hundred times and you exactly now what fits it...others need to watch it several times to get it this way aswell then...but comment after the first run, just like me! )
rulez added on the 2011-10-12 01:18:19 by hornet hornet
why nop? yep
rulez added on the 2011-10-14 07:38:45 by kyv kyv
the more i see it the more i like it, man
added on the 2011-10-14 21:21:37 by iq iq
Another great show provided by ASD!
rulez added on the 2011-10-20 14:46:48 by zbyndek zbyndek
Haters gonna hate.
rulez added on the 2011-10-20 16:31:37 by phoenix phoenix
DL link is dead for now
added on the 2011-10-30 10:12:26 by TME TME
cool nice work ASD!
rulez added on the 2011-11-04 04:02:01 by blackpawn blackpawn
sucks added on the 2011-11-30 18:29:22 by kimi kardashian kimi kardashian
Quite breathtaking effects and a solid track.
rulez added on the 2011-12-04 15:41:20 by binf binf
Excellent! I love the amount of 'energy' that comes out of this, despite the very simplistic attributes it seems to have.
rulezcdc added on the 2011-12-14 22:02:34 by fizzer fizzer

as for "happiness", latest Nvidia drivers (285.62) cause weird artifacts with this Demo. Or is it related to my Geforce 580 ?
Using Win7 64
added on the 2011-12-19 23:19:40 by atlan atlan
Just wanting to add that I watch demos since 1991 (Amnesia, Delusion, Panic, Holistic...) ,
so I usually try anything before calling for help... :-)
added on the 2011-12-19 23:26:00 by atlan atlan
no hint, anyone?

oh well, it's probably just another demo-related issue.
'coz all *other* demos (even very old ones) work just fine....

I'll forget this one

added on the 2012-01-08 12:36:16 by atlan atlan
Brilliant in every aspect
rulez added on the 2012-01-08 12:51:57 by JustEpyx JustEpyx
You are a freak navis... Fucking Brillant!!!!
added on the 2012-01-09 13:05:37 by reload reload
Great GFX, music mostly meh.
rulez added on the 2012-01-12 21:11:06 by trc_wm trc_wm
so what? i liked it.
rulez added on the 2012-01-30 20:48:45 by bizun_ bizun_
lovely - but really glitchy on my pc (winvista, geforce 9600)
rulez added on the 2012-03-05 00:20:18 by caffeine_demon caffeine_demon
I'm not hugely keen on the music, but I do love the graphics. (FYI: I saw this on YouTube - I doubt it would run on my old laptop)
rulez added on the 2012-03-11 03:06:23 by Lonewolf10 Lonewolf10
I actually liked the music, and the vocals...... And of course the visuals!
rulez added on the 2012-03-31 22:56:13 by Frequent Frequent
Would be nice but its completely broke on Nvidia's 300.xx drivers. Running GTX 680 so can't go back to older drivers. :(
that's what I said.... doesn't work on Nvidia cards since 28x.xx drivers I think.... but they don't care..........
added on the 2012-04-11 10:12:10 by atlan atlan
atlan, we do care, but unfortunately there's only so much that can be done at any given time... i trust it will be fixed when it's fixed..
added on the 2012-04-13 22:03:55 by amv amv
rewatched this. piggie was too kind.
sucks added on the 2012-04-17 14:36:22 by nosfe nosfe
rulez added on the 2012-04-17 14:38:24 by krusty krusty
This is pure energy!
added on the 2012-04-17 14:47:08 by gaspode gaspode
great demo with terrible music
added on the 2012-04-30 03:41:26 by Rork Rork
great demo&music
rulez added on the 2012-06-10 01:50:57 by Shriggar Shriggar
this path calculation stuff is epic.
rulez added on the 2012-06-15 08:11:42 by GottZ GottZ
@atlan, Shadowdane : same thing here on GTX 285.
I'm getting a weird spaghetti with my gtx 460 :(
added on the 2012-07-21 08:22:14 by Danguafer Danguafer
rulez added on the 2012-07-29 12:21:28 by Dobi Dobi
Getting garbage with nv 4200m and nv 680gtx as well...I think it's just broken on new drivers? Really wish it was fixed :)
added on the 2012-08-05 07:25:39 by shuffle2 shuffle2
The recent ASD demo's i've tested so far all get garbled with any sort of 3d objects. Lifeforce works fine as does iconoclast.
added on the 2012-08-18 19:10:28 by Intrinsic Intrinsic
How could I miss this until now? Thx 2 scene.hu for the hint.
rulez added on the 2012-08-27 21:24:29 by Hoild Hoild
what the ass balls how had I not seen this yet
rulez added on the 2012-09-19 18:47:58 by stijn stijn
Masterpiece! Good electro soundtrack.
rulez added on the 2012-10-29 11:53:34 by slayer slayer
I assigned my first cdc to this great production, because I love it so much.
added on the 2012-11-07 19:36:38 by fizzer fizzer
today i leaned.. there are high profile groups (thanks to mog) ... i think ASD is one of those. and for me the first and best one. i was stunning already on lifeforce... but this one is great too.
rulez added on the 2013-02-08 00:04:16 by .. ..
Well this was one of those prods that I just loved. It's such a same that I am experiencing the same problem as praetor_alpha, Danguafer and many others whit my gtx 660..
rulez added on the 2013-03-15 07:38:26 by CeRi CeRi
awesome, have had the song stuck in my head despite not watching it for over a week!
rulez added on the 2013-03-18 15:00:23 by Canopy Canopy
play again! play again! play again! play again! play again! play again! play again! play again! play again! play again! play again! play again! play again! play again! play again! :)
rulez added on the 2013-05-03 00:56:40 by Gaia Gaia
Can I burn my wings and fly? <3
rulez added on the 2013-05-12 14:10:35 by Fell Fell
well... fuck.
rulez added on the 2013-05-25 17:22:02 by dojoe dojoe
yes !!
rulez added on the 2013-07-26 20:44:39 by ok3anos ok3anos
Good code, good sound ... spin again!
rulez added on the 2013-07-26 20:50:36 by CHEF-KOCH CHEF-KOCH
pure shit on my alienware
added on the 2013-09-30 13:00:42 by Bartoshe Bartoshe
Amazing animation, crisp code and a solid soundtrack - damn great!
rulez added on the 2013-10-31 03:34:27 by T$ T$
this is just the most beautiful thing i've ever seen
added on the 2013-11-16 02:06:52 by superplek superplek
rulez added on the 2014-04-05 18:03:50 by ruplik ruplik
I don't mind the music in this, the actual music and song is decent even if the style is not my cup of tea. I am not feeling the low register vocal used for the verses however I really like the higher harmony used in the chorus parts. Anyway the visuals are really cool and unique and honestly I have no idea how Navis codes this sort of thing, even after reading the explanation. I hope ASD can come back again sometime soon and bring us some more of their unique style.
rulez added on the 2014-07-22 00:08:05 by drift drift
rulez added on the 2014-08-26 16:02:56 by g0blinish g0blinish
Technically impressive, yes, but I really disliked the music. Makes it hard to watch. Sorry.
Nice visuals, but gets repetitive after a while. Add to that the horrible "music", gets a thumb down.
sucks added on the 2014-09-19 02:00:21 by ccr ccr
Just re-ran this thing. Still nice watch.

The vocals may not be comparable to your favorite choice (i see bieber and timberlake references in the comments). However, i've always thought of EBM as comparable to punk inspired music. For me, the "primitive" vocals, adds to the roughness of the sound track and that grows on me.

Watching the demo made me wonder if it's too long; but then again - I wasn't bored :-)
Almost fell off my chair when I saw this.

added on the 2014-11-17 20:11:20 by Dane Dane
I feel love...
added on the 2014-11-17 22:50:16 by xernobyl xernobyl
Approved by Moroder.
added on the 2014-11-18 10:53:59 by visy visy
Well I hope this issue gets sorted out.
added on the 2014-11-18 21:02:23 by numtek numtek
missing thumb, this demo is all kinds of awesome as previously stated.
rulez added on the 2014-11-18 21:39:29 by keito keito
Still rulez.
rulez added on the 2014-11-18 23:11:20 by supadupa supadupa
I love this demo a LOT.
added on the 2014-11-18 23:27:53 by fizzer fizzer
For some reason the vocals don't detract from the awesomeness on forgotten rewatch. But then all I hear is "beer and me". Which is awesome.
rulez added on the 2014-11-18 23:48:59 by Photon Photon
Recent thread was obviously just a scam to get more Pouet votes on the prod! They should be ashamed!!

Shit, can't vote. Seems I already thumbed it up. Pff. :)
added on the 2014-11-18 23:49:41 by Photon Photon
The music just completely ruins this.
sucks added on the 2014-11-20 03:30:10 by The_Grandmother The_Grandmother
The tune is stuck in my head.
rulez added on the 2014-11-20 09:05:13 by TomoAlien TomoAlien
A+++ class trolling from Youtube:
Way to steal from Gorgio Moroder dumb heads

Also, missing thumb.
rulez added on the 2014-11-20 11:05:32 by Trilkk Trilkk
That Gorgio Moroder music video is very nice :)
rulez added on the 2014-11-20 11:52:23 by rez rez
Good rendering.
added on the 2014-11-20 14:24:22 by leGend leGend
This is at its best, and the best.
rulez added on the 2014-11-22 09:51:04 by NokoNoko NokoNoko
3DfX prods from freakin 97-98 (admittedly with a glide wrapper) and the first DirectX demo ever called "Trip" from 97 work just fine on my 2014 rig with latest Nvidia drivers.

This 2011 demo doesn't. Just sayin...
added on the 2014-12-02 03:46:40 by ramon ramon
rulez added on the 2015-02-09 11:24:41 by p01 p01
rulez added on the 2015-03-31 08:01:15 by ramon ramon
Great product, good price, Perfect shipping, great communication, I recommand.
rulez added on the 2015-04-04 21:53:42 by krabob krabob
Best demo ive ever seen /Rygar
rulez added on the 2015-07-13 00:30:52 by RYGAR RYGAR
Great demo!
rulez added on the 2015-07-25 18:44:35 by Blinden Blinden
Completely mesmerized by the visuals and everything, just haven't enjoyed the vocals too much.
rulez added on the 2015-11-19 20:20:56 by animehaus animehaus
The best ASD demo since lifeforce.
rulez added on the 2016-06-09 09:50:52 by golem golem
visuals are really nice, but I had to turn the sound off
added on the 2016-06-09 11:06:08 by cupe cupe
What cupe said
added on the 2016-06-09 13:14:15 by Kylearan Kylearan
visuals are really nice, but I had to turn the sound off
rulez added on the 2017-06-19 15:45:38 by natalia natalia
What's wrong with "Spin" on modern videocards? Almost no textures.
added on the 2017-11-02 22:24:57 by Manwe Manwe
People complaining on soundtrack certainly didn't listen to Kraftwerk ;)
rulez added on the 2019-06-25 09:38:57 by jammer jammer
just awesome
Mhm mhm mhm
rulez added on the 2021-01-08 15:48:03 by Nosferatu Nosferatu
one of the best ASD demos
rulez added on the 2022-07-20 11:21:38 by Jamie Jamie

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