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yeah
rulez added on the 2011-04-25 00:04:08 by Spewk 
After rewatching the entries in the compo I have to say this one was the most solid.
rez, thumb up.
Sexy as hell
rez, thumb up.
namevoting, of course
das ist schön
Aplogies accepted..
rez, thumb up.
I told you already what I think of it.
Keep it up the good work!
Keep it up the good work!
awesome
Namevote
nice prod, great attitude
cooooool!
WTF! Holy shit. I knew it! So you CAN design and code! I looove it. Esp the color choice and transitions.
Now I am not sure if I should be sorry about my previous comments. But since I now have to pay attention to upcoming Razor releases, it was probably worth making a couple of enemies on the old-school frontier ;-)
Now I am not sure if I should be sorry about my previous comments. But since I now have to pay attention to upcoming Razor releases, it was probably worth making a couple of enemies on the old-school frontier ;-)
Jizzed.
(really solid overall prod quality btw, extra thumb for that!)
rezpect!
Rez is doing better and better stuff. Great work!
rez is sexy.
works on wine :] nice prod dude
You have my thumb up :-) , another great intro !
A namevoting virus !!!
AS usual, you the best... 2 badboys you are
so fucking ace intro, ruled the bigscreen :D
Amiga meets 2011 style .. and i still like it !
This is awesome! keep doing stuff like this!
One of the best production here at Revision. I was not big fan of Razor1911, but this intro changed my mind, I completely love it!
This demo is awesome, nothing else to say. :)
Awesome coloschemes, plus, runs on wine wonderfully !!!
Wow! Really works with Wine on OSX! This noisy DOF looks is mega solid. I like.
sweet stuff!
nice prod! thumb up ♥
nice to see rez having updated his style :) not quitel there yet but thumbing up anyway, it was pretty enjoyable.
Really Enjoyable!
Love it.
Looks great. Still from this demo would make great desktop backgrounds - I'd actually like that!
Good!
great!
Simple but effective style, cranking soundtrack from dubmood.
I think this is the first rez's intro I can honestly say I enjoyed. The music is a feat, I don't think I have ever heard such a well produced tracn in an intro. Is it a module or done with a softsynth?
It's a strange one this one.
On one hand it is, probably, the best work from this incarnation of the Razor 1911 team so far. In my book, a major step forward in terms of the progression, colorscheme, music, postprocessing. My best bit is that texture on the cube and tunnel.
On the other hand I can't help but feel that it's once again the emperor's new clothes. Yeah yeah I know it has some chiptunes and bouncing donuts and stuff. It makes you happy and reminds you of your childhood years when you were playing Cronologia by Cascada on your 386sx; time flies doesn't it...
For a really good demo based on the "oldskool for the new generation" audience, check Sota 2004 64k invitation by equinox. Now that's something...
On one hand it is, probably, the best work from this incarnation of the Razor 1911 team so far. In my book, a major step forward in terms of the progression, colorscheme, music, postprocessing. My best bit is that texture on the cube and tunnel.
On the other hand I can't help but feel that it's once again the emperor's new clothes. Yeah yeah I know it has some chiptunes and bouncing donuts and stuff. It makes you happy and reminds you of your childhood years when you were playing Cronologia by Cascada on your 386sx; time flies doesn't it...
For a really good demo based on the "oldskool for the new generation" audience, check Sota 2004 64k invitation by equinox. Now that's something...
For once, agreed with navis.
Because you updated your style, you can now expect to be voted with the same harshness that comes with other groups.
Because it doesn't come now anywhere near the standard of groups like Quite, etc....piggy. Yet piggy for coding effort. Shitmood will still die though. But I had the heart not to make a thumbdown, because your code is somewhat nice. Even though now its a AND style post process fest.
Navis: that "texture" is a shader. Seems finally rez updated to FBOs+shaders. Same as other demos. How terribly generic.
Because you updated your style, you can now expect to be voted with the same harshness that comes with other groups.
Because it doesn't come now anywhere near the standard of groups like Quite, etc....piggy. Yet piggy for coding effort. Shitmood will still die though. But I had the heart not to make a thumbdown, because your code is somewhat nice. Even though now its a AND style post process fest.
Navis: that "texture" is a shader. Seems finally rez updated to FBOs+shaders. Same as other demos. How terribly generic.
noby: music is V2M.
This is great, guys. Keep embarrassing the scene with your apparent lack of skill.
very enjoyable, sweet music
It's ok :)
Ok guys I watched again your intro, this time by launching it, and my previous comment is just not enough to express how much I appreciate it.
The tune is just great, moody and oldschool, and I suspect with some inspiration from Tron at the beginning.
The design style is unchanged, and you are both criticized and loved for that, sometimes both at the same time. It fits but I think you could try to give it some evolution in your next prods, as long as you don't throw what makes it so lovely.
Regarding the visuals, wow, you certainly made a big step forward. Maybe you're not at the level of some other groups yet, but it's still very good and more importantly, it's great that you're not just throwing in random effects without fine tuning them. The resulting oldschool style with a modern feeling is really nice.
The tune is just great, moody and oldschool, and I suspect with some inspiration from Tron at the beginning.
The design style is unchanged, and you are both criticized and loved for that, sometimes both at the same time. It fits but I think you could try to give it some evolution in your next prods, as long as you don't throw what makes it so lovely.
Regarding the visuals, wow, you certainly made a big step forward. Maybe you're not at the level of some other groups yet, but it's still very good and more importantly, it's great that you're not just throwing in random effects without fine tuning them. The resulting oldschool style with a modern feeling is really nice.
Nice!
Cool
Great!
Next-gen cracktro!
enjoyable !
Sweet !
most enjoyable from the compo
hiukka hävettää
Hey, who cares if it's the "oldschool" style when it's done so good? I purely enjoyed it! Also, love the plasma cube =)
good one! music rockz!
Geil
Always love goodlooking oldskool effects.
Kick ass ! Love the plasma cube
Beautiful!! I love that plasma cube, some great design and the music rocks!!
cheeky little number
too much noise, and strange codercolors, but overall a nice cracktro. well done
Rez does a nice job, agreed. I agree with Navis that the Equinox stuff pulls it off a little better but well.. I don't really feel the need to compare in this case. What I would like to see is Rez attempting another less cliche style of production. That would probably turn out to be even better.
Should be at first place, the other prod is boring and very ugly
Love this one!
Been a long time since I had a votedisk...
Nice cube ^^
OOh yeah... Please bring back the vote-disk...
You just keep on improving, again and again ! Great job :)
I'm apparently in the minority here, but meh.
a 2nd opinion: it was difficult to see on the stream, but the overall demo roxxor !!! (not only the cube ^^).
Maybe one of the best prod in the Party...
Maybe one of the best prod in the Party...
Tune! and cheeky little prod too.
meh..
Maybe a
for the name..
Maybe a
for the name..
definitely a 
for the name..
for the name..
That was wonderful
alright. but i dont like vote whoring.
Well. This is a great try in doing oldskool in a more modern way. It works. But I dont know if its only me. I prefer oldskool designs on the oldskool platforms. On the PC I prefer modern and fresh stuff. Still a solid 64k.
I always loves music from dubmood. this one as well!
I always loves music from dubmood. this one as well!
Everybody says your style improved, but it's not my opinion.
Oh, it's nice and well designed but i enjoyed so much more Pirates of the 777 seas or Insert No Coins...
Maybe because this one lacks of code+msx synchronisation, or because the colors are less flashy or...
So piggy only!
Oh, it's nice and well designed but i enjoyed so much more Pirates of the 777 seas or Insert No Coins...
Maybe because this one lacks of code+msx synchronisation, or because the colors are less flashy or...
So piggy only!
This is what would happen, if Daft Punk would join the scene. as in: funky, stylish oldskool vibe
nice work!
nice work!
it didnt really capture me and the texts were too much of a distraction (as in too cheesy)
Maybe next time something new? ;)
Navis: what is this incarnation you are talking about?
Heh. Now shake this off!
Sweet
as always
All things considered, it was the best in the compo. Still not a huge fan of "oldskool design emulation" on a modern pc, though.
awsum!
REZ CAN TRIFORCE.
Wow, major improvements.
Thanks a lot to everybody for your nice comments :')
Keep in my mind that it's a dirty "party version", so it's lacking of some finetuning here & there, ending text is totally unreadable (fucking deadline).
About the synchros, I wanted to add a lot of them but I didn't find yet a good way to make it working at 100% efficiency :|
It was my first intro with shaders, this time I used only "pixel shaders", for my next I will try some "vertex shaders" :)
Ho, also the intro looks better in windowed mode, big resolution makes shaders effect too weak (I have to fix that...)
Revision 2011 was an awesome party, will be there next year for sure \o/
Keep in my mind that it's a dirty "party version", so it's lacking of some finetuning here & there, ending text is totally unreadable (fucking deadline).
About the synchros, I wanted to add a lot of them but I didn't find yet a good way to make it working at 100% efficiency :|
It was my first intro with shaders, this time I used only "pixel shaders", for my next I will try some "vertex shaders" :)
Ho, also the intro looks better in windowed mode, big resolution makes shaders effect too weak (I have to fix that...)
Revision 2011 was an awesome party, will be there next year for sure \o/
great, i love the razor style
ossom .. liked it!! .. rez code and dubmoods 3o3ish sounds ;) ..
that was awesome on the bigscreen with fucking great sound :D
rez please take the time to code a proper softsynth before moving on to vertex shaders because v2 is really the worth piece of software I ever used. sorry kb...
You forgot to meantion that you accidently borrowed from this production as well ;)
Hmm.
@d0DgE: not really since I never seen this prod :D
you know, flat-shading+wireframe is very common on demoscene :)
@dubmood: hmmm, too complicated, I will ask someone else to help me with that, I already have some hints ;)
you know, flat-shading+wireframe is very common on demoscene :)
@dubmood: hmmm, too complicated, I will ask someone else to help me with that, I already have some hints ;)
Is it running on Amiga 5000 ?
I don't know, but it's all made on a MacBook Air :)
essentially what navis and mudlord said.
the music is good and the visuals ... well essentially are uninteresting but the postprocessing actually compensates for that a lot.
at least this one doesnt feature "oldschool" sine scrollers.
get rid of the rest of the meaningless text next time and you may even get my thumb.
the music is good and the visuals ... well essentially are uninteresting but the postprocessing actually compensates for that a lot.
at least this one doesnt feature "oldschool" sine scrollers.
get rid of the rest of the meaningless text next time and you may even get my thumb.
marvelous!
Simple effects but the presentation is stellar as always, with fantastic music.
best
This is great
This was pleasant and nice to see!
I sold my thumb to rez for beer at revison.
j/k of course. rezor style and chippy is fun as always and technically its a massive improvement, too.
j/k of course. rezor style and chippy is fun as always and technically its a massive improvement, too.
Should have won.
Is it still namevoting if the prod is actually great?
Good use of the good old alpha blending.
No idea about all this votedisk stuff but it's amazing to see how a coder & musician create such a great designed prod (how i love that coloful landscape). Great work guys!
Great effects and hilarious texts!
Not bad, but still overhyped, as the previous. Doing that in 4k or at lowend platform will be more thumbuppable.
Hehe... Was quite a cool show, Good work :)
fuckin' awesome! Like the taste and effects ...
Very enjoyable, great music!
Should win. Amazing prod.
Nice oldscool-style ;)
Geil!
One of my faves of PC 64k! Classic style, really well executed.
@fiveofive:
back in the days, before network and partymeister, voting at demoparties was done either with voting sheets or voting discs (3,5 HD , DD)
But this was only practicable on small parties I assume? (voting discs I mean)
I can remember the voting sheets at Mekka&Symposium (1998), but I never visited a party where they handed out voting discs (visiting parties since 1998), but wait, wasn`t there an early Evoke where they had votediscs...?
Or am I completely wrong about voting discs?
So please sceners, help with information, where and when have voting discs been used, and maybe someone knows, where they have been used last.
Back to the intro: Nice one, I already liked the previous productions which implied this one here. (like the starcraft cracktro).
Nice effects, feeling and great music, so here, I give my votedisc to you.
back in the days, before network and partymeister, voting at demoparties was done either with voting sheets or voting discs (3,5 HD , DD)
But this was only practicable on small parties I assume? (voting discs I mean)
I can remember the voting sheets at Mekka&Symposium (1998), but I never visited a party where they handed out voting discs (visiting parties since 1998), but wait, wasn`t there an early Evoke where they had votediscs...?
Or am I completely wrong about voting discs?
So please sceners, help with information, where and when have voting discs been used, and maybe someone knows, where they have been used last.
Back to the intro: Nice one, I already liked the previous productions which implied this one here. (like the starcraft cracktro).
Nice effects, feeling and great music, so here, I give my votedisc to you.
Nice style as always!
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Maybe a little too dark, and some slowdown in fullscreen.
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Maybe a little too dark, and some slowdown in fullscreen.
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Well...yeah, ("for me to remember, google is useful") , even pouet has a votedisc category and it was at Evoke 2000 where for the first and last time I used a votedisc...
my personal winner!
Arbitrary demo #234. But then... What's there not to like?! Tune is good and you can never go wrong with alpha-blended polys and glowing textwriters. ;)
Neat look, nice attitude.
Music roxxxx! As usual!!!!
Now THAT'S what I'm talking about!
Will rez reach the all-time tops? You rule, mate!
Lovely! Had a big smile on my face while watching this. :)
damn fucking cool.
cool fucking damn.
fucking damn cool.
cool damn fucking.
cool fucking damn.
fucking damn cool.
cool damn fucking.
Hah, loved the disclaimer in middle :) Good stuff, thumb upways.
Would have rocked on Amiga!
...ten years ago.
...ten years ago.
nicely done
Cute
full of style n design...
full of tasty scene flavour!
full of tasty scene flavour!
The best Rezor intro so far. Very nice.
Efficient. Rez's style - keep it.
boring, nice soundtrack saves it. not a single interesting effect though.
rzr1911 rules ;)
i <3 it.
Enjoyed it!
for me this intro was the compo winner. well done
the design gets better every intro rez makes and it was pretty yummy to begin with, can't wait to see the next one :D
that was the most lovely production from the whole party that I've seen on the bigscreen.
Gimme the freaking track!
I believe this will give anybody copious amounts of pleasure.
This kicks so ass!!!! My fave in the compo!
classizic rezor :)
awesome!!
but... as you can see not always a compo winner rulez at pouet...
nice one ;)
nice one ;)
Very likeable!
Old schoolish and absolutely great!
Awww hell yeah ;D. Sexy visuals :D. Nice passive aggressive attitude, too ;D.
Old School in New Jack City!
i hate these 100 years old demo groups.
(music was nice though :))
(music was nice though :))
haaaa the first thumbdown I was waiting for! :D
Sensationnel... and what an excellent audio track :) good work Rez&Dubmood :)
Nice one!
Awesomazing.
Very nice... =)
Totally generic eyecandy.
nice one this.
awesome prod, the music is great
awesome.
Yes \o/ !!!
you guys always have the right approach, i enjoy every minute of your prods and this is no exception, great presentation great music <3
kewl!
Nice
Ah! La belle époque Monsieur...
Loved it. =)
[How do you "accidentally" "borrow" a votedisk though?]
[How do you "accidentally" "borrow" a votedisk though?]
oh yea Sota invitation was soooo awesome :)
@Aasemoon: It's a kind of private joke for all the oldskool sceners who "borrowed" votedisks to gamers at big demoparty to vote for their own release :)
UPDATED! pre-final version!
I added the last version of dubmood's excellent music (now bug free and some more cute arpeggios!), modified ending screen (looks better and the text is half-readable now) and fixed a bit the synchro-timing.
I added the last version of dubmood's excellent music (now bug free and some more cute arpeggios!), modified ending screen (looks better and the text is half-readable now) and fixed a bit the synchro-timing.
@rez: Ah, thanks! =)
rez: Please fix the typo ("thanks you"). Also a blinking cursor might be better than a static one. :)
Ha yes, the cursor blinked at beginning, but due to problem with synchro (some are skipped randomly) I removed the blinking :|
wow, that new screenshot alone deserves a thumb :D
excellent
Oldschoolish!!!1 ^-^ Nice one!
Ruling stuff. Go make your cracktros more like this :)
Rez: this being a 64kb intro.. I wonder if you could make an entire demo in this style ? Would be definately out of this world ! :D
If that's what happens if I call people semi-decent then I should really do this more often :D
Fun to watch, very good music (like the "chiptune meets Justice" style), definitely worth a thumb up.
Then again because Dubmood is his usual self, also known as juvenile shithead, this kinda reverts it to a piggie.
But luckily he's far too stupid to spell "worst" correctly, and in the end I can very much relate with his statement as it is written, so everything's ok again :D, And don't worry Dubbie, my synth can easily handle not being used by idiots. Doesn't even take much CPU.
Fun to watch, very good music (like the "chiptune meets Justice" style), definitely worth a thumb up.
Then again because Dubmood is his usual self, also known as juvenile shithead, this kinda reverts it to a piggie.
But luckily he's far too stupid to spell "worst" correctly, and in the end I can very much relate with his statement as it is written, so everything's ok again :D, And don't worry Dubbie, my synth can easily handle not being used by idiots. Doesn't even take much CPU.
Deluxe!
Juvenile Shithead, I like that, could be my new pseudonym. my drunk pouet-flaming has taken a beat since the pink DXM preview button was removed hence the spelling. your synth still sux, you should improve it. It is time, no?
music is the best.
but rez is getting better every time too.
dont listen to dubmood, let him use v2 and continue getting better in graphics-code ;)
but rez is getting better every time too.
dont listen to dubmood, let him use v2 and continue getting better in graphics-code ;)
The grainy look made this actually look great on the big screen--!
Ehm, piggy from me. Not my favourite rez prod
Rez!
I like it! Smooth!
tREZ incredible, both in design and execution.
I don't think noise fits in too well, but otherwise it's pretty cool.
DoF ftw
LOVE it.
simply stunning
I forgot to say it before, but I wanted to thank Patapom/Bomb who helped me a lot with shaders implementation into my lousy framework!
Big hugs to Zavie, LLB, Xtrium, XT95, Msk (the whole #demofr mafia) who supported me with my buggy code :)
Big hugs to Zavie, LLB, Xtrium, XT95, Msk (the whole #demofr mafia) who supported me with my buggy code :)
attitude!
Great stuff, but what was all the "semi decent demomaker" stuff all about? Felt a bit weird, that.
Okay I think I get it now. Just.. don't do this anymore, imo it's really confusing at best and hurting your whole presentation at worst. Unless you think it's funny I suppose, which I didn't.
@blockbuster: It's a kind of private joke with kb who called Razor 1911 "the oh so 31337 oldschool cracking groups with a semi-decent demo division bolted on" in this pouet.net topic :)
KB KB ON T'E***L
Nothing groundbreaking but it still got a solid and polished design and is a feast for the mind.
just lovely!
rez
rlz
I really enjoyed the oldschool feel of this production and the music is really well executed. Not too impressed with the geometry, though. Still, I'm sure there'll be plenty more from your hand, and improvement will definately come in your future productions. Shall we call it a motivational thumb up or a thumb up for not having to borrow votedisks anymore ;)
yeah!
hm, i don't like all that old school-hype.
but the soundtrack is quite nice.
but the soundtrack is quite nice.
Rad. :)
Toruses was boring in 1995 even in 2011. Text was enjoyable
A solid production.
And the music rocks hard. Nice.
And the music rocks hard. Nice.
PARTYWINNER 4SURE! Cheers!
awesome!
keep with the great job...razor is definitely the kings of scene drama...
dubmood owned with that song...i just love it!
rez your code for Insert No Coins was better i think, but this one is ok
just 1 more thing...i missed the loop :(
keep with the great job...razor is definitely the kings of scene drama...
dubmood owned with that song...i just love it!
rez your code for Insert No Coins was better i think, but this one is ok
just 1 more thing...i missed the loop :(
@yzarc: ha yes, I wanted to loop the intro but it's not really possible with the new sound system I used this time (V2 softsynth).
I very much like the scene with the plasma on the cube. Really flashy!
@rez: ah, that's a shame, but i don't know... there's always something really cool in your demo's...for example in Insert No Coins i thought that the animation of floppy-disk's you made was just aewsome...this time the first part of the intro just remind me of TRON (i know it's wierd) but anyway keep the great job.
not perfect (somehow feels unfinished a bit), but very cool..
looks absolutely gorgeous in fullhd.
Much better than insert no coins :P
<3<3<3
Love it
Awesome production! <3
Just great. All of my votedisks are belong to you :)
ok, as we always miss eachother in IRC these times:
some hint: "toruses" should be "tori" or maybe even "torii"... i know i´m lame due to try to better others, but everytime i watch this ( only 8 times so far ;) ) i think you shouldn´t do this fail again in one of your next prods! :)
some hint: "toruses" should be "tori" or maybe even "torii"... i know i´m lame due to try to better others, but everytime i watch this ( only 8 times so far ;) ) i think you shouldn´t do this fail again in one of your next prods! :)
also: "borrowing" doesnt mean NOT to send stamps back! :p ( where are my fukkin stamps? fuckin leechers! )
hArDy, just put tape over them like everyone else.
Showing my age now.
Showing my age now.
I love it! Thanks guys. I can feel the old school spirit in your productions.
great intro!
link to mp3 please.
Quote:
(...) but everytime i watch this ( only 8 times so far ;) ) (...)
so you liked it or not? :D
im afraid i agree with navis..
on the plus side: quite good for an "oldschool in newschool" intro. finally good enough to stand up as a 2011 production without requiring a big label saying "please put on rose tinted glasses and pretend you are 13 years old again before watching". its definitely a good thing to move beyond just clinging to viewer nostalgia so well done for that.
on the minus side: it's good enough to stand alone, and it breaks out of pure cliche - but that leads to wider comparisons than before. and when you actually go and compare it to 64ks in general it's average.
so it's up to you - you can either have a thumb up for making a quite good "newschool oldschool" prod, or a weak piggie for making a mediocre 64k. :) take your pick. :)
i have to say tho, i cant help but wish somebody would make a really outstanding and original oldschool-influenced newschool production again like keops used to.
on the plus side: quite good for an "oldschool in newschool" intro. finally good enough to stand up as a 2011 production without requiring a big label saying "please put on rose tinted glasses and pretend you are 13 years old again before watching". its definitely a good thing to move beyond just clinging to viewer nostalgia so well done for that.
on the minus side: it's good enough to stand alone, and it breaks out of pure cliche - but that leads to wider comparisons than before. and when you actually go and compare it to 64ks in general it's average.
so it's up to you - you can either have a thumb up for making a quite good "newschool oldschool" prod, or a weak piggie for making a mediocre 64k. :) take your pick. :)
i have to say tho, i cant help but wish somebody would make a really outstanding and original oldschool-influenced newschool production again like keops used to.
ou va te faire ( ( )oo==( ( ) ^_^
sweeet as always
@smash: thank for the comment!
As I said somewhere on IRC, even if "1337" coders like you or Navis thinks my intro is "average" compared to the best 64k (like Keops one) it's already a good point for me to be compared to them :)
And of course I take the "thumb up for making a quite good newschool oldschool" since it was made especially with the spirit of "classic" intro style in mind, not because I want more audience but just because I like a lot that kind of demo :D
As I said somewhere on IRC, even if "1337" coders like you or Navis thinks my intro is "average" compared to the best 64k (like Keops one) it's already a good point for me to be compared to them :)
And of course I take the "thumb up for making a quite good newschool oldschool" since it was made especially with the spirit of "classic" intro style in mind, not because I want more audience but just because I like a lot that kind of demo :D
So cheesy, and a few scenes, namely the torus ones, looked downright ugly. Fun enough to watch though, so weak thumb up. Liked the pretty colorcycling cube (didn't see any plasma there)
People used to do the torus because it was quite a hard object in the early days. It was a show of skill. Now, it's just a trivial off-the-shelf object, for a torus scene to work you have to do something really fresh with it. The torus scene basically failed to do that in this demo.
The glenz cube on the other hand.. it's fairly trivial, and offers basically nothing new. But it's presented in a cool way, and it works almost as a transition, so I think that one works.
The 'plasma' cube (is that plasma animated or not, I can't tell) works too, because the effect is at least new and cool (not massively so, but enough to be enjoyable).
I guess you could say 'newschool' is about presenting ideas, a story, some art or whatever. 'Oldschool' is about showing your awesome fx, and sending out messages to your friends and enemies in the scene.
You're doing the oldschool thing here with your 'effect show' style and plenty of text, but the torus scene doesn't work well because it's an old effect - it lacks the impressiveness that made it work in the old days. It's the equivalent of a wireframe cube in an amiga demo.
Anyway, that's where I think you're going wrong with this style, and where you're going right. Where keops got it right is taking this style, and then presenting it in a way that makes it really good fun to watch.
The glenz cube on the other hand.. it's fairly trivial, and offers basically nothing new. But it's presented in a cool way, and it works almost as a transition, so I think that one works.
The 'plasma' cube (is that plasma animated or not, I can't tell) works too, because the effect is at least new and cool (not massively so, but enough to be enjoyable).
I guess you could say 'newschool' is about presenting ideas, a story, some art or whatever. 'Oldschool' is about showing your awesome fx, and sending out messages to your friends and enemies in the scene.
You're doing the oldschool thing here with your 'effect show' style and plenty of text, but the torus scene doesn't work well because it's an old effect - it lacks the impressiveness that made it work in the old days. It's the equivalent of a wireframe cube in an amiga demo.
Anyway, that's where I think you're going wrong with this style, and where you're going right. Where keops got it right is taking this style, and then presenting it in a way that makes it really good fun to watch.
okay intro, nothing more, nothing less.
but the 'oldschool on newschool' thing is not my taste.
so piggie.
but the 'oldschool on newschool' thing is not my taste.
so piggie.
And rez, never mind being compared to the elite sceners, take a look at the top of the month - you're beating fairlight and farbrausch ;)
oldschool in newschool isnt my fav but the song makes all good :)
psonice: You got it wrong. Demos were full of toruses because a torus is so very _easy_ to pull off:
- you only need a few sin/cos functions (or tables) to generate it
- you can simply adjust the polygon count to exactly hit the target framerate/rastertime
- it's not convex but if you generate the polys from the inside to the outside (or vice versa if you're Komplex) it'll draw correctly without zbuffer/sorting
- mapping / wrapping / tangent space / etc is trivial to set up and first of all perfect. No wonder a torus is still the defacto standard mesh for testing material systems.
- despite all its simplicity it looks kinda awesome. Almost as awesome as a cube. ;)
THAT's why people used torii. JSYK. :D
- you only need a few sin/cos functions (or tables) to generate it
- you can simply adjust the polygon count to exactly hit the target framerate/rastertime
- it's not convex but if you generate the polys from the inside to the outside (or vice versa if you're Komplex) it'll draw correctly without zbuffer/sorting
- mapping / wrapping / tangent space / etc is trivial to set up and first of all perfect. No wonder a torus is still the defacto standard mesh for testing material systems.
- despite all its simplicity it looks kinda awesome. Almost as awesome as a cube. ;)
THAT's why people used torii. JSYK. :D
I stand corrected. (But razor is still beating you in the charts ;D)
ok I'll be the meanie once again, excuse me and with all respect:
I understand what smash is trying to say, which is this: don't take any criticism as directed towards razor1911 and rez and the product of their effort, because it isn't so. The demo itself is quite ok for what it is; even as a nostalgia tribute it is rather "ok", middle of the road kind of thing, fairly forgetable in the long run - for me at least - and the producers seem to be genuinely nice guys to admit that they're just having fun, which is what the demoscene is all about. Keep them coming if you can afford to.
Now you may know that smash, and me, and probably half of pouet that produces and consumes demos en masse are also interested in what makes the viewer 'tick'. And, damn it, these nostalgia intros and cracktros stand as a singularity in the largest scheme of things. To rephrase the old question "what do women want": " what do demo viewers (on pouet) want"? How can a demo be *entertaining* when it is neither technically challenging, nor thought-provoking, nor even really aesthetically pleasing in the eye or ear? Don't you, dear viewer, feel a bit *abused* as this intro is milking your sentiment of nostalgia with two hands, again and again? because if it weren't for the old toruses and plasma tunnels - first seen 20 years ago on machines that had thousands of times less power than today's - the whole ride would have been a rather forgetable experience, no?
I just don't get it, sorry. Hopefully someone will explain this to me, one day. Every single element in this presentation can be broken down and shown that it is an unimaginative rehash of yesteryear without any effort to make something new and original out of the universe that was once oldskool computing. It is milk that has gone off. It's dead, dead, and fuck me if I understand any of this after 200 thumbs up... Maybe my own thumb should turn into a question-mark; can we have that option, ps?
I understand what smash is trying to say, which is this: don't take any criticism as directed towards razor1911 and rez and the product of their effort, because it isn't so. The demo itself is quite ok for what it is; even as a nostalgia tribute it is rather "ok", middle of the road kind of thing, fairly forgetable in the long run - for me at least - and the producers seem to be genuinely nice guys to admit that they're just having fun, which is what the demoscene is all about. Keep them coming if you can afford to.
Now you may know that smash, and me, and probably half of pouet that produces and consumes demos en masse are also interested in what makes the viewer 'tick'. And, damn it, these nostalgia intros and cracktros stand as a singularity in the largest scheme of things. To rephrase the old question "what do women want": " what do demo viewers (on pouet) want"? How can a demo be *entertaining* when it is neither technically challenging, nor thought-provoking, nor even really aesthetically pleasing in the eye or ear? Don't you, dear viewer, feel a bit *abused* as this intro is milking your sentiment of nostalgia with two hands, again and again? because if it weren't for the old toruses and plasma tunnels - first seen 20 years ago on machines that had thousands of times less power than today's - the whole ride would have been a rather forgetable experience, no?
I just don't get it, sorry. Hopefully someone will explain this to me, one day. Every single element in this presentation can be broken down and shown that it is an unimaginative rehash of yesteryear without any effort to make something new and original out of the universe that was once oldskool computing. It is milk that has gone off. It's dead, dead, and fuck me if I understand any of this after 200 thumbs up... Maybe my own thumb should turn into a question-mark; can we have that option, ps?
go make a demo about it
navis: Maybe I can explain half of it - many demos are a 'watch once' affair. This is a prime example of that for me. Watching it for the first time, you also have the element of surprise which adds a lot, and there's the fact that you're not watching the effects for long enough to get bored (ok, maybe for the torus scene there's still time ;)
Taking that into account, I watched this once, and found it pretty enjoyable and a big improvement on the last one. If I had to watch it 10 times, I'd likely give it a thumb down because the effects would get old fast, and there's not much else going on.
Why it's top of the charts, and above some really great demos? I don't get that either. Maybe this appeals a lot less than say the flt demo, but it appeals less to a wider audience and offends fewer people, so it wins on pure numbers?
In some scenes, it'd be 'damned with faint praise' as the saying goes, but here it collects enough thumbs to be the top demo of the month. Maybe the whole pouet voting system is fucked, when I give this the same rating as the flt masterpiece :)
Taking that into account, I watched this once, and found it pretty enjoyable and a big improvement on the last one. If I had to watch it 10 times, I'd likely give it a thumb down because the effects would get old fast, and there's not much else going on.
Why it's top of the charts, and above some really great demos? I don't get that either. Maybe this appeals a lot less than say the flt demo, but it appeals less to a wider audience and offends fewer people, so it wins on pure numbers?
In some scenes, it'd be 'damned with faint praise' as the saying goes, but here it collects enough thumbs to be the top demo of the month. Maybe the whole pouet voting system is fucked, when I give this the same rating as the flt masterpiece :)
...speaking of wider audience, I believe it is almost impossible to show this to an outsider without proper explanation. One would need to educate the viewer on the history of cracktros, old amiga demos and the relevance of such demos in the modern world. This requires a lot of work (I've tried it myself) - I'd rather show them something from satori, even *that* is easier to digest.
+1 Navis. Thanks for saying the stuff that needs to be said.
Sometimes you just can't reason about popularity. I consider this phenomenon an outlier.
Sometimes you just can't reason about popularity. I consider this phenomenon an outlier.
navis: yep, I fully agree. Combine pouet's tasteful inhabitants with a voting system that puts this equal with the truly great demos, and this is where you end up :) Take it outside of pouet, and things are wildly different.
This is intro is french frieds + ketchup.
I'm not an oldschool scener nor a coder, and it's the prod from easter I watched the most (with numb res).
The music is (uber)cool, the colors are cool, the timing is cool, the messages are cool...
The overall design is almost perfect.
"We are sorry blabla, but we will show you lovely toruses"... and boom, lovely toruses+beat&bass again on the powerful chiptune sound, it should put a smile on your face, at least ;).
I'm not an oldschool scener nor a coder, and it's the prod from easter I watched the most (with numb res).
The music is (uber)cool, the colors are cool, the timing is cool, the messages are cool...
The overall design is almost perfect.
"We are sorry blabla, but we will show you lovely toruses"... and boom, lovely toruses+beat&bass again on the powerful chiptune sound, it should put a smile on your face, at least ;).
fries*
What Navis said. Meh.
Rez knows his audience and conceptually with this prod is saying something not only about his audience but the modern demoscene in general. Therefore, just saying he's harking back to old stereotypes and picking at the quality of the fx is kinda doing him a disservice. Besides, a "non demoscene audience" is just as likely to find the epic demos that are lauded as being, well, "cheesy" (to be honest) outside of a demoscene context. I'm not so sure Rez's work would have any less chance of crossing over than most other (so-called) higher quality groups would.
Hello Navis, thank you for trying to understand :)
To be honest I'm the first surprised of the awesome feedback we got with our little intros :D
I really think I'm not "milking" nostalgia in purpose. My career as coder is recent (I joined Razor 1911 just one year ago) so doing all the screens and effects I'm coding actually is a kind of "dream come true" for me. Like a modern fountain of youth, I'm digging all the old memories of what I always dreamed and loved to see in a demo and since I'm now able to do it myself: I MADE A DEMO ABOUT IT :)
For all my prods I spent an awesome amount of time to polish every pixels, colors, move to get the perfect vision of what I wanted to see. Perhaps people can see and appreciate all the love in pure demoscene I putted in my intro, and perhaps it's also for the same reason that most of them forgive me to re-use most of the old classic demoscene objects :)
As I already said, you and smash are 100x better coder than, there's no need for the demoscene (and myself) to try to mimic you and doing an average because I'm not skilled enough. I think I'm not so bad with design and I'm an hardcore "maniac" with every detail so I'm trying to hide the "half-decent" code (hello kb ;) with some shinyness and not so bad colorscheme.
To finish, I'm sure there room for people who like my prods (100% oriented to the demoscene) like there a (wider) audience for your since your demo can please people outside of the demoscene.
thanks a lot kb!!! you can be sure I will do new toruses (or tori) in some future intros to try that hint! \:D/
To be honest I'm the first surprised of the awesome feedback we got with our little intros :D
I really think I'm not "milking" nostalgia in purpose. My career as coder is recent (I joined Razor 1911 just one year ago) so doing all the screens and effects I'm coding actually is a kind of "dream come true" for me. Like a modern fountain of youth, I'm digging all the old memories of what I always dreamed and loved to see in a demo and since I'm now able to do it myself: I MADE A DEMO ABOUT IT :)
For all my prods I spent an awesome amount of time to polish every pixels, colors, move to get the perfect vision of what I wanted to see. Perhaps people can see and appreciate all the love in pure demoscene I putted in my intro, and perhaps it's also for the same reason that most of them forgive me to re-use most of the old classic demoscene objects :)
As I already said, you and smash are 100x better coder than, there's no need for the demoscene (and myself) to try to mimic you and doing an average because I'm not skilled enough. I think I'm not so bad with design and I'm an hardcore "maniac" with every detail so I'm trying to hide the "half-decent" code (hello kb ;) with some shinyness and not so bad colorscheme.
To finish, I'm sure there room for people who like my prods (100% oriented to the demoscene) like there a (wider) audience for your since your demo can please people outside of the demoscene.
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it's not convex but if you generate the polys from the inside to the outside (or vice versa if you're Komplex) it'll draw correctly without zbuffer/sorting
thanks a lot kb!!! you can be sure I will do new toruses (or tori) in some future intros to try that hint! \:D/
well, I forgot to write some words here and there but I think it's readable as it is. and excuse my french, you know, i'm french after all ;)
I really love theese uber elite democoders in here who, for some reason, think their demos/intros or even 4ks please a "wide outside audience".
Nothing against your prods, (as i am a demoscener) but seriously dont get too cocky here and do please face the fact: Your prods please a rather small and very underground comunity that havnt attracted any serious amounts of "new blood" in over a decade now (why is that? oh. wait...) and compared to what happens in the real world in means of design and concept in stuff that could be compared to demos as comercials or musicvideos or just pure designer/art showoffs, demoscene is seriously lacking behind.
You say that watching such an intro as this one and having to explain "the point of it" to an outsider is a must but then wtf isnt any top notch 64 or 4k (or even demo)? If you dont explain that its made in 4k they wouldnt even give it the faintest sign of respect and still 9 out of 10 wouldnt even understand the difference, or belive you for that matter.
I recently stumbled upon a exhibition of realtime computer-generated contemporary art made by a few of the worlds greatest designers on that field in a museeum in New York and NONE of them had ever ever heard of the demoscene... But you didnt need to explain the point of their work to any "outside" viewer and still ppl payed serious money to come and watch the exhibition. Any recent demoscene prod would have looked really stupid longside theese kind of works but a few "newschool" demos from the late 90s would have done alot better. My point? There was a time when the demoscene was "a jour" with what happend outside the scene. thoose days are long gone and whats left is the fun of boozing and making demos together. And just comparing your work with recent game-engines etc wount help you so NIGGAHPLEAZEARGH lookmom I wrote a paper on poeut today ^__^!!
Nothing against your prods, (as i am a demoscener) but seriously dont get too cocky here and do please face the fact: Your prods please a rather small and very underground comunity that havnt attracted any serious amounts of "new blood" in over a decade now (why is that? oh. wait...) and compared to what happens in the real world in means of design and concept in stuff that could be compared to demos as comercials or musicvideos or just pure designer/art showoffs, demoscene is seriously lacking behind.
You say that watching such an intro as this one and having to explain "the point of it" to an outsider is a must but then wtf isnt any top notch 64 or 4k (or even demo)? If you dont explain that its made in 4k they wouldnt even give it the faintest sign of respect and still 9 out of 10 wouldnt even understand the difference, or belive you for that matter.
I recently stumbled upon a exhibition of realtime computer-generated contemporary art made by a few of the worlds greatest designers on that field in a museeum in New York and NONE of them had ever ever heard of the demoscene... But you didnt need to explain the point of their work to any "outside" viewer and still ppl payed serious money to come and watch the exhibition. Any recent demoscene prod would have looked really stupid longside theese kind of works but a few "newschool" demos from the late 90s would have done alot better. My point? There was a time when the demoscene was "a jour" with what happend outside the scene. thoose days are long gone and whats left is the fun of boozing and making demos together. And just comparing your work with recent game-engines etc wount help you so NIGGAHPLEAZEARGH lookmom I wrote a paper on poeut today ^__^!!
no offense but your post is off the mark on many different levels. I disagree on all of your points but it is not my job to be the apologist of modern demoscene. However, my point on 'explaining to the outsider' is this:
Nostalgia type demos in 2011 are some sort of inside joke that not even some people with a long presence in our society get. I personally can't see how a connection is made between said visuals and the casual viewer of
computer generated videos without this extra information that is simply not part of the global culture; while it is a fairly straightforward affair with something from (for example) mfx or fairlight: in the sense that they are, apart from technically well made, engaging: some carry a strange message, a window to a different world that is *created* not copied, a distortion of our own, and so on...
Maybe the very fact that nostalgia demos require an esoteric understanding is the secret of their success!
Don't know, I may not like this demo very much but it has made me think more than any other production in many years... and that's always a good thing! :)
Nostalgia type demos in 2011 are some sort of inside joke that not even some people with a long presence in our society get. I personally can't see how a connection is made between said visuals and the casual viewer of
computer generated videos without this extra information that is simply not part of the global culture; while it is a fairly straightforward affair with something from (for example) mfx or fairlight: in the sense that they are, apart from technically well made, engaging: some carry a strange message, a window to a different world that is *created* not copied, a distortion of our own, and so on...
Maybe the very fact that nostalgia demos require an esoteric understanding is the secret of their success!
Don't know, I may not like this demo very much but it has made me think more than any other production in many years... and that's always a good thing! :)
Pleasing visuals, cute music, the textual content is boooring. Fullscreen on 4:3 monitor crops the picture.
Well, I like it. Maybe I'm just easy to please. Who cares. Have my thumb.
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My career as coder is recent (I joined Razor 1911 just one year ago) so doing all the screens and effects I'm coding actually is a kind of "dream come true" for me.
I understand what Rez said because I was exactly in the same "mood / case". I also started to code recently (2 years now, starting from scratch) and the first thing I made was:
A rotating cube, glenz vectors and all the effects I was used to when on Amiga.
Why ? Because of nostalgia of course but also because I was able to say : "wow! now I can make what I always wanted to !!!" and also because I had much fun doing that.
Of course, we are now on a modern machine and it's pretty easy to code such things now. But when you start programming it's still exciting and you have a direct result of what you're doing.
So the main question is what do I really want to code? What is my aim?
I personnally choose to code modern effects in a minimalistic way (creating my own meshes and showing them my way - no 3d objects loaded and spread over the screen).
Now, Rez choose to stick to the "oldschool" way, but he makes it different - and he also implemented shaders now! ;)
Of course, it can't be "understable" by people outside of the demoscene, but I thing we made it for fun, for the demoscene and not for the people outside... Else make games or videos. :P
This was my personal feeling about it. Rez, you can discuss if you disagree.
Okeanos: I totally agree :)
Navis:
yeah! definitly! :D
Also, you are totally right in your last post, I'm making intro for an audience of pure demosceners without any compromise, I never has the idea of doing something viewable/enjoyable by casual people. It's also explicitly WRITTEN in the intro itself (I hope you noted the not-so-private joke to you).
Even if you didn't liked it, it's always a pleasure to discuss quietly about the basis of demoscene taste :)
Navis:
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Maybe the very fact that nostalgia demos require an esoteric understanding is the secret of their success!
yeah! definitly! :D
Also, you are totally right in your last post, I'm making intro for an audience of pure demosceners without any compromise, I never has the idea of doing something viewable/enjoyable by casual people. It's also explicitly WRITTEN in the intro itself (I hope you noted the not-so-private joke to you).
Even if you didn't liked it, it's always a pleasure to discuss quietly about the basis of demoscene taste :)
If I had 2 cents to add it would be this:
How about doing your 64k intros with the o-so-leet oldschool feeling on
the machine they're supposed to be done ;) *hint hint*
The respective competition for it suffered hard with very few entries.
I think I can speak for Corial too, that it will be greatly appreciated if more releases would be done in that category.
And it would even end the darn issue of "gazillion times faster machines barely resembling look&feel of crack-intros of the olden days".
How about doing your 64k intros with the o-so-leet oldschool feeling on
the machine they're supposed to be done ;) *hint hint*
The respective competition for it suffered hard with very few entries.
I think I can speak for Corial too, that it will be greatly appreciated if more releases would be done in that category.
And it would even end the darn issue of "gazillion times faster machines barely resembling look&feel of crack-intros of the olden days".
honestly navis I dont even have a clue who you are or what you ahve done to consider yourself the speaker of modern demoscene and the voice of reason. Point is, we dont care what you think because we do demos because its fun to make them. If you dissagree on all of my points why dont you show me some demosceners or demos thats in the top notch of the latest design in mainstream culture or demoscene musicians that are toping charts etc. And could you please explain why the demoscene is shrinking because its not that there are fewer people using computers to make art today than in the late 90s. or would this come in conflict with your selfview as being some sort of style-dictator in a small obsolete underground comunity on teh internet?
d0DgE: ... and get "stuff that we've already seen a gazillion times in exactly the same way (better even because coders back then knew the machine) and/or pixelated, stuttery shit in a tiny window that desperately tries to emulate recent PC demos with cubemaps but oh look at the design and AMIGAAAAAAAAAAAAA! I HAVEN'T HEARD YOU! I WAS TOO BUSY SHOUTING AMIGAAAAAAAAAAAA!"? Naaaah, I do prefer my torisies in 1080p with some nice postproc and bassy french chiphouse instead, thank you.
Anyway. Considering the strange "singularity" or in layman's terms "taste bubble" that this prod seems to reside in so perfectly - I've seen (and been in) enough subcultures to know that such things inevitably happen. Every closed group of people develops a certain fondness of inside tropes that at best make an independent, objective observer raise an eyebrow (and at worst make them "why do these people like that obvious shit so much?"). I mean, look at any "underground" musical genre and
pay close attention to what crap people listen to - and STILL feel better than the rest.
I think that's the point: Intros like these provide a means for (sub)cultural distinction or even a feeling of familiarity even when you're a newschool demoscener who never possessed a votedisk in their life. That's one of the weirder areas of human behaviour, yes, but a culturally important one nonetheless. And just to make it clear. Apart from its pointlessness in the grand scheme of things this intro is good. Design, transitions, flow, colors, length, all may be not the most innovative but they're spot on. Combine this with a very danceable soundtrack and you get something that's good. And "good" is definitely something worthy of a thumb up.
Anyway. Considering the strange "singularity" or in layman's terms "taste bubble" that this prod seems to reside in so perfectly - I've seen (and been in) enough subcultures to know that such things inevitably happen. Every closed group of people develops a certain fondness of inside tropes that at best make an independent, objective observer raise an eyebrow (and at worst make them "why do these people like that obvious shit so much?"). I mean, look at any "underground" musical genre and
pay close attention to what crap people listen to - and STILL feel better than the rest.
I think that's the point: Intros like these provide a means for (sub)cultural distinction or even a feeling of familiarity even when you're a newschool demoscener who never possessed a votedisk in their life. That's one of the weirder areas of human behaviour, yes, but a culturally important one nonetheless. And just to make it clear. Apart from its pointlessness in the grand scheme of things this intro is good. Design, transitions, flow, colors, length, all may be not the most innovative but they're spot on. Combine this with a very danceable soundtrack and you get something that's good. And "good" is definitely something worthy of a thumb up.
What is actually cool is that people keep discussing while it's obvious JuvenileShifthead is trolling around (and could be dubmood actually).
What is actually cool is that Navis discusses about a production and its style and everything but he should look in the past and what he has done and should consider he's past that all unless he doesn't believe he proved he could make more than good stuff.
What is cool is that people managed to bring AMIIIIGAAAAA again in 2011.
What is bad is that you're discussing about all of these funny topics on the production thread.
Sometimes, we do forget that demos are about people who give their spare time in order to make something enjoyable for a few minutes.
Sometimes, we do forget we comment on productions because we want to show the other people "what we think" because "hey, what I think is important, listen" but sometimes, we just want to say "if you had worked with me, it would have been better" or "I would have made it a better way" but damn, why not just making it? And what is better? What is more beautiful? It's only about one "appreciation" and what is more useless than having to HEAR what others think, seriously? Why do people believe we should listen at home? Why should we listen at other people?
Now just rethink about what I've just said and you'll understand the reason why how I settled on my throne, as the prince of bel-air.
What is actually cool is that Navis discusses about a production and its style and everything but he should look in the past and what he has done and should consider he's past that all unless he doesn't believe he proved he could make more than good stuff.
What is cool is that people managed to bring AMIIIIGAAAAA again in 2011.
What is bad is that you're discussing about all of these funny topics on the production thread.
Sometimes, we do forget that demos are about people who give their spare time in order to make something enjoyable for a few minutes.
Sometimes, we do forget we comment on productions because we want to show the other people "what we think" because "hey, what I think is important, listen" but sometimes, we just want to say "if you had worked with me, it would have been better" or "I would have made it a better way" but damn, why not just making it? And what is better? What is more beautiful? It's only about one "appreciation" and what is more useless than having to HEAR what others think, seriously? Why do people believe we should listen at home? Why should we listen at other people?
Now just rethink about what I've just said and you'll understand the reason why how I settled on my throne, as the prince of bel-air.
(damn, it's why & how)
knl: please stop trolling on our production thread.
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ah, a good post from kb!
so imagine any outsider going through the top10 prods on pouet while you are trying to defend them by explaining the "point" of them.
Would be pretty embarassing wouldnt it? so please, <insert some obvious oh so elite pouet-dwellers here>. Get of your high horses when commenting this shit and understand that all the technical achivements in the world cant hide the fact that compared to the outside world we are all are just a bunch of narcissistic obsolete nobodys so lets just get pissdrunk and make demos or fuck the fuck off.
so imagine any outsider going through the top10 prods on pouet while you are trying to defend them by explaining the "point" of them.
Would be pretty embarassing wouldnt it? so please, <insert some obvious oh so elite pouet-dwellers here>. Get of your high horses when commenting this shit and understand that all the technical achivements in the world cant hide the fact that compared to the outside world we are all are just a bunch of narcissistic obsolete nobodys so lets just get pissdrunk and make demos or fuck the fuck off.
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. Every closed group of people develops a certain fondness of inside tropes that at best make an independent, objective observer raise an eyebrow (and at worst make them "why do these people like that obvious shit so much?"). I mean, look at any "underground" musical genre and
pay close attention to what crap people listen to - and STILL feel better than the rest.
Lol, so old-skool sceners are the demoscene's rockists? :D
dubmood: so according to you no demo or anything in it has any relevance to the outside world, huh?
JuvenileShithead:
I express my own personal opinion in an open forum. Some people agree with what I say, some not- who I am and what I've done in the past is completely irrelevant. It is a rare occasion that a production sparks so much interest and controversy and I believe that we all learn something from talking about it. Except maybe you, who have decided that all is in vain anyway because the demoscene is dead/dying. And resorting to personal insults... talk about low self esteem...
I express my own personal opinion in an open forum. Some people agree with what I say, some not- who I am and what I've done in the past is completely irrelevant. It is a rare occasion that a production sparks so much interest and controversy and I believe that we all learn something from talking about it. Except maybe you, who have decided that all is in vain anyway because the demoscene is dead/dying. And resorting to personal insults... talk about low self esteem...
Why do people don't listen to me :((((((
okkie, in a way, yes. :)
smash: well demos might be difficult to compare to simularities in the outside world I choose to compare it to music-videos, comercials and to some extent contemporary computer-generated art and in that case very very few demos can stand the test of time and todays demos feels so obsolete or mediocre compared to the outside world. Especially, as someone here mentioned earlier, the fact that its mostly just 3dflybyes and coder-skill showoffs and lacks concept.
But not all demos ofcource, there are a few superb exeptions that comes to my mind that could be shown to outsiders without having to explain the point or technical achivements/limitations etc. like fairplay to the queen, te-2rb, deepness in the sky, blunderbuss... yeah you get where in going.
But the real point of this, Navis: was that it isnt your personal opinion on the forum that disturbs me but your thought of yourself as some style-dictator that decides whats up to demoscene standards and what is considered elite/mediocre when you are just an obsolete nobody in a shrinking underground internet comunity that no-longer manages to attract any new blood or serious interest in it. That as, get back into the context.
oh, and alot of trolling ontop of it. =)
But not all demos ofcource, there are a few superb exeptions that comes to my mind that could be shown to outsiders without having to explain the point or technical achivements/limitations etc. like fairplay to the queen, te-2rb, deepness in the sky, blunderbuss... yeah you get where in going.
But the real point of this, Navis: was that it isnt your personal opinion on the forum that disturbs me but your thought of yourself as some style-dictator that decides whats up to demoscene standards and what is considered elite/mediocre when you are just an obsolete nobody in a shrinking underground internet comunity that no-longer manages to attract any new blood or serious interest in it. That as, get back into the context.
oh, and alot of trolling ontop of it. =)
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[12:48] <wysiwtf> dubmood ist like this
[12:49] <wysiwtf> visual fx guy sees demo and sais "yeah its nice but look at THIS, its much better"
[12:49] <wysiwtf> demoscene guy goes "yeah but thats prerendered, mine is realtime"
[12:49] <wysiwtf> visual fx guy goes "yeah, and so what?"
[12:49] <wysiwtf> demoscene guy is out of arguments and states nobody understands his art so he goes crawling back into his subculture
[12:49] <wysiwtf> :p
Wow....
what shitmood said.
what shitmood said.
oh and dont think that I dont like demos or demoscene, I do appriciate it more than ever. The point was just that cheesy 3d-flyby master Navis should maybe rethink his own shit before talking about whats viewable to an outside demoscene audience =)
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Navis: was that it isnt your personal opinion on the forum that disturbs me but your thought of yourself as some style-dictator that decides whats up to demoscene standards and what is considered elite/mediocre when you are just an obsolete nobody in a shrinking underground internet comunity
To explain that sentence, I just discover that dubmood has never heard of ASD (and Navis) before today!!!
That's why he think Navis is some random demoscene noob :D
who cares who I am or what I like in demos... I made an honest query NOT about this demo (which, by the way, I *don't* dislike so here is a thumb up) but about its perceived popularity. I have this right as a member of this society for nearly 20 years. How is this suddenly "dictatorial" or what I don't get: never said "take this demo down" or "don't do this anymore" - please do continue.
The demoscene (or any other such culture) doesn't exist only to produce and consume demos but also to engage in criticism so as to learn about trends from a technical and sociological point of view. I myself make demos of various styles and always wondered whether it would ever worth looking into this style as well.
As I explained before, I cannot justify it - but people *inside the scene* seem to like it progressively. One of life's mysteries!?
The demoscene (or any other such culture) doesn't exist only to produce and consume demos but also to engage in criticism so as to learn about trends from a technical and sociological point of view. I myself make demos of various styles and always wondered whether it would ever worth looking into this style as well.
As I explained before, I cannot justify it - but people *inside the scene* seem to like it progressively. One of life's mysteries!?
Watched it again and I still reallyreally like it. Good flow! Kinda party music! WELL DONE!
Navis, believe it or not, some people like some stuff some other don't. I know it's crazy and I'm quite sure you can't really make a demo about it.
It reminds me the track submitted at the revision stream compo that manage to mix breakbot, some dubstep wobble, electric guitar and at some point, emo lame vocals.
The guy must have written a checklist of "everything that work" but he forgot it should work separately, not all together. That was a good plan on the paper, like "the final track to end of other tracks" but the result, in my ears, sounded like the worst piece of LOLSHIT I ever heard.
At some point, when I heard some people actually liked it, I thought "wtf" and then I thought "oh well who am I...."
The guy must have written a checklist of "everything that work" but he forgot it should work separately, not all together. That was a good plan on the paper, like "the final track to end of other tracks" but the result, in my ears, sounded like the worst piece of LOLSHIT I ever heard.
At some point, when I heard some people actually liked it, I thought "wtf" and then I thought "oh well who am I...."
am i the only one bored by this neverending discussion?
theres art and theres technical aspects.
theres taste and there is demoscene tradition.
there is fun and there are parties.
every one of those things can be motivation to do something, and as diverse as the reason behind it is the outcome of the final product.
i for myself think that is great, because i like diversification and i think most of you do.
so please stop throwing mud(lord) at each other because you have different approaches to this thing called "demoscene".
PS: thx to the juvenile dubhead for quoting my irc-gibberish with typos included ;)
theres art and theres technical aspects.
theres taste and there is demoscene tradition.
there is fun and there are parties.
every one of those things can be motivation to do something, and as diverse as the reason behind it is the outcome of the final product.
i for myself think that is great, because i like diversification and i think most of you do.
so please stop throwing mud(lord) at each other because you have different approaches to this thing called "demoscene".
PS: thx to the juvenile dubhead for quoting my irc-gibberish with typos included ;)
There's opinions, they vary, and listening to them and trying to understand the point of view is a good way to learn and improve. Discussion like this is good, trolling aside (and maybe the trolls need to listen a bit instead of shouting ;)
wysiwtf: NO. there has to be a final outcome. here in this thread. we can't embarass the world outside the demoscene any longer, it's VITALLY IMPORTANT. ;)
...what a laugh we had
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There's opinions, they vary, and listening to them and trying to understand the point of view is a good way to learn and improve
A good way to learn and improve is to make what you want to make until you want to make something else. If you failed technically somewhere then you can listen to someone but if someone "believe" that "you should" have "eventually" then one should avoid reading his comment.
People are not _you_
_You_ is more important than them.
Unless they are good friends of you of course. But here, I don't see only good friends of rez :)
Navis: well finally it's just a matter of taste, and giving a thumbup or not is so easy to do that people give it freely if they enjoyed a demo (even if it's a small one). Like you I'm amazed by the big amount of feedback we got and I can't really explain it. But be sure of one thing: lots of people liked our intro doesn't that they will disklike your demo, or Fairlight, Still, FR, MFX demo. I like all kind of different style in demo, from the most obscure demo by Kooma to the cheesiest 3d engine show. And of course, you have the right to not like this prod if you want to :)
enjoyable fx
Here is a nice demo for you all to think about:
Nice
Rules, of course or did you expect something different? ;)
Soundtrack please!
Soundtrack please!
haha :p OwNz
Personally I loved this. Never mind all the oldskool vs. newer design / art demo bollox. That's just a matter of opinion and / or personal taste. For me this was really nice. So, I say keep going rez and keep doing more stuff like this. :)
There is a good sense of humor, great transitions, good spirit, and a kickass tune from dubmood.. what more would one want?
love the plasma cube.. almost looks old school..
great style
Too overrated. Otherwise it's quite ok.
glEnable(GL_REZ_THUMB_UP);
Really nice intro, really loved it! :)
I finally managed to make a kind of final version :)
I updated the intro with the final version of the music, a better ending screen and fixed the problem of black borders in windowed mode (with vista & win7).
Also, I reduced code size to reach the 65.536 magic size with the classic kkrunchy (not the "k7" version). The intro is 5kb fatter than the party version but load faaaster :)
I updated the intro with the final version of the music, a better ending screen and fixed the problem of black borders in windowed mode (with vista & win7).
Also, I reduced code size to reach the 65.536 magic size with the classic kkrunchy (not the "k7" version). The intro is 5kb fatter than the party version but load faaaster :)
Very nice!
(rez, you can go to bed now!)
(rez, you can go to bed now!)
For me its borderline piggy because I'm not hardcore demoscene I suppose. But I do appreciate the humour and really nice execution. It gets a thumb finally cos of rez and his postive attitude. Well done rez.
Stylish.
the kings of scene drama
all your vote disks are belong to us!
Excellent!
just noticed i've forgotten my thumb.
like it
dont really want to get into the whole "does this exploit cheap nostalgia with mediocre effects or not?"-discussion.
I will say, that rez is doing the exact perfect thing in my view - giving his all with what he has, and he has the audacity to be a bit cheeky / attitudey while doing so. That gives a thumb up in my optics, since it isn't halfassed - and the attitude is accentuated by showing people a pretty torus :) Maybe the french still has some spunk in them ;)?
I never know if the scene.org thing was deserved - I usually doesn't agree with the nominations or winners (apart from smash), but I think this one was pretty cool. I voted for something else in the public category however ;)
I will say, that rez is doing the exact perfect thing in my view - giving his all with what he has, and he has the audacity to be a bit cheeky / attitudey while doing so. That gives a thumb up in my optics, since it isn't halfassed - and the attitude is accentuated by showing people a pretty torus :) Maybe the french still has some spunk in them ;)?
I never know if the scene.org thing was deserved - I usually doesn't agree with the nominations or winners (apart from smash), but I think this one was pretty cool. I voted for something else in the public category however ;)
Beware of nic0 he is a timetraveler. rez apperantly we also won the publics choice award with this one in 2012, cool!
yea this is what I called stuff. 64kb and fully loaded. Thanks for making me enjoy watching an intro which is not tens of megabytes ;)
really nice, great work!
THIS PROD IS AWESOME, HOWEVER I do not like the promotion of 'borrowing' which is in fact THEFT in the scene, how could you do this to us guys?!!??!
Last time someone 'borrowed' something from me in the scene it turned up vomited all over a finnish dude's vest, splattered up a wall and soaked into several feet of concrete bunker. So be more thoughtful when 'borrowing' shit next time you jerks!
JOKES.
Actually really nice prod rez and co. Liked the presentation, the oldschool feel and music was spot on.
This is a comment was written by rez
Last time someone 'borrowed' something from me in the scene it turned up vomited all over a finnish dude's vest, splattered up a wall and soaked into several feet of concrete bunker. So be more thoughtful when 'borrowing' shit next time you jerks!
JOKES.
Actually really nice prod rez and co. Liked the presentation, the oldschool feel and music was spot on.
This is a comment was written by rez
Love it!
Pretty nice.
Soundtrack reminded me of Daft Punk
Looooooooved it
Soundtrack reminded me of Daft Punk
Looooooooved it
imho the bouncing toruses is pretty crappy. doesn look like physics even.
Stylish presentation, although I could have done without the noise.
Music is really good.
Music is really good.
For those that want the soundtrack:
Used ripped V2M from intro as source for encode
Used ripped V2M from intro as source for encode
the title of the song is not the same as the intro though
Very cool
you´re doing it RIGHT
indeed. DAMN PHAt thingy :)
cool beginning
sexy
specially oldschool effects
flying flops made no sense
the background is too smooth
sexy
specially oldschool effects
flying flops made no sense
the background is too smooth
give my THUMB UP :)
Sexy, that's the word!
Can someone tell me what the title of the song is then cuz I've been dropping it on my radio show on a very regular basis!!!!
@djh0ffman: dubmood meister said: "Sunnyvale Part 3" :)
Cheers Rez, you should convince mr mood to do a live set at next years revision ;)
This is perfect, in only 64K! Long life to real programmers. Long life to MOD music!
What's the language of this intro?
What's the language of this intro?
<3
did i mention that's one *sick* plasmacube
huh, where was my thumb? ahhh.. there it is!
<3
One of the best nu-oldschool productions around. While I usually don't like funny stuff, the self-deprecating humor here really fits the bill and both the music and the effects are (for the most part) top drawer stuff.
Deserves thumb!
It's enjoyable, but is nu-oldschool really so popular?..
Well, it seems undeliabl
.. y.. true.. that.. um. I think someone broke the encryption on my Pouet comment. GD cracking groups! ;)
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.. y.. true.. that.. um. I think someone broke the encryption on my Pouet comment. GD cracking groups! ;)
I liiiiked it. Especially the beginning part. And the end part. And the middle part.
:|
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I successfully masturbated to this.
very nice demo!!!
I love it!!!
I love it!!!
yess.....very stylish
Excellent. Nice depth of field, and the great modern-retro Razor style that I really want to copy. I used to hate scanlines until I saw what Razor did.
I watch this over and over again for the music. I stay for the plasma cube. Best 64K
rez: tu sais toujours comment foutre le bordel dans la scene :D rienque deja pour ca > rulez ;)
simply great!
luv rzr!
luv rzr!
poor effects. it can be made in 30 s. this name voting attention is bad for inspiration.
Woho!
Awesome Music, neat effects!
Looks nice to me
Very nice prod
thumb
cube
for the cube, and the palette thereafter! But, surely the plural of torus is not toruses :P
Wonderful and funny, with great music <3
very cool!
Brilliant
Rulez, like pretty much all Razor does
"All your votedisks are belong to us"??
other than that a great prod ;]
other than that a great prod ;]
*BOOM*
:-)
Best old school modern remix I've ever seen, and by a long shot. The music track is simply amazing. Great 64k prod overall.
Runs perfectly in WINE so I'm happy (as do most r1911 prods)
The demo is made even funnier by some of the comments here.
Dubmood and Rez you are my heroes!
Dubmood and Rez you are my heroes!
@derpistaN: sure my prods works fine in WINE since they are coded under Linux using WINE :D
@sak: thank a lot! :3
@sak: thank a lot! :3
solid piggy for me
Nice one. Love the cube-transition.
nice
the jokes on you, my disk was broken!
Another Cute'n'Lovely demo by Rez.
Who doesn't love fabulous colorschemes and proper post-processing effects?
Who doesn't love fabulous colorschemes and proper post-processing effects?
Brainfuck!
I feel it's always hard to not like things rez makes - because they just look so god damn lovely. I see a demo done by a man who knows how to palette and how to post process, and sure it might be cheesy to to add interlaced lines - but damnit that is what a amiga 2.0 prod would look like.
It's also hard to dislike because the musicians usually are the ones I have albums from.
I usually dislike old school wankery on new school platforms, but this has class <3
It's also hard to dislike because the musicians usually are the ones I have albums from.
I usually dislike old school wankery on new school platforms, but this has class <3
another nice rzr intro
listened to the tune 100+ times already. definitely a thumb up!
Cool
awesome
I still think "the scene is dead" is the best of your 64k series, but this here is very nice, too! Belated thumb up.
Great!
Those lovely toruses! rez & dubmood always did good job.
The music is really chiptune rock! (reminds me of the Daft Punk), beautiful graphics.
Dubmood, the best of the music!
Dubmood, the best of the music!
please make some oldskool-stuff- for oldskool-machines like mine :) (Win9x,Celeron433,Voodoo3,DX6.1)
hooo, thank you Salinga! :D
how quaint
\o/
proper! ^-^
I really like discovering this little prod and I really liked the sentiment authors expressed in the discussion above. super disappointed by some arguments told by some veterans who dare to limit others learning curve on creativity and tech by imposting patronisation on style and direction.
Style, attitude, transitions/sync and music. Iconoclastic!
Neat! Actually really like the choice of colors!
And finally enough glops for a cdc :P
@spkr thank you a lot ❤️
the very first one for this prod :D
the very first one for this prod :D
First prod I remember ever seeing, and still a favorite <3
@yx: MUCH LOVE ❤️
I'm so proud that this small intro helped to grab newcomers as good as you are into the demoscene! :)
I'm so proud that this small intro helped to grab newcomers as good as you are into the demoscene! :)
FORGOTTEN THUMB
Forgot thumb! O_o
Thanks to spkr and friends, this neat and jooyful demo will get more attention! :D
Thanks to spkr and friends, this neat and jooyful demo will get more attention! :D
True demoscene spirit... and the tune rocks! :)
I accidentally enjoyed a PC Demo :-)
=)
shiny hat noch nich genug
sie nimmt noch n zug
sie nimmt noch n zug
Good stuff that would be incomprehensible to anyone outside of the demoscene.
But hey! Isn't that the case with most demoscene prods? :]
But hey! Isn't that the case with most demoscene prods? :]
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