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I am a Russian and I am offended

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"Russians: Ignoring your requests completely because tired of your retarded bullshit. If you ever dare to spam this thread again I am going to demand permbans. Not joking."

I understand the context etc. However, I also happen to be a Russian and I am offended to see this kind of comments, esp. when this is coming from a gloperator. Havoc, you may be a nice guy in the real life etc etc, but this is not on. Seriously.
added on the 2016-01-10 20:07:57 by introspec introspec
I have talked to Havoc and I understand his (at this point pretty extensive) frustration. If he would've said "Russian ZX scene", it would've been accurate.

Let me put it this way - of all the site, the fixme thread is probably the most sacrosanct where there is absolutely no place for juvenile slapfights, because it's where people actually try to keep the prod archive accurate. From what Havoc told me (I don't frequent the thread) this has been repeatedly violated. As a result, we're closing in to zero tolerance on "Russian ZX drama", the results of which is probably gonna offend you a lot more.

So yeah, if you're offended, perhaps start looking at the reasons first.
added on the 2016-01-10 20:15:01 by Gargaj Gargaj
Drama alert! Yesss, finaaally! ;)
added on the 2016-01-10 20:15:21 by tomkh tomkh
Put a lid on it.
added on the 2016-01-10 20:17:12 by Gargaj Gargaj
Gargaj, havoc's problem _is not_ the Russian ZX scene and this is why I find your comment almost equally offensive. I am Russian and I make demos for Spectrum, so I must be a part of the Russian ZX scene. And frustration that you referred to, the squabbling and quarrelling, it affects me too, in fact, it affects me _more_, because I have to constantly prove to people that I am not bonkers, in addition to having to prove all other, more regular demoscene-related things.

Today, there is a sizeable part of the Russian ZX scene that is deeply unhappy with the behaviour of the few people who just won't stop no matter what. They do not listen, others tried talking, I tried talking. I can understand that you don't want to understand the intricacies of who did what etc, but what can people like me do, what can I do?

At the same time, this is not the first Pouet drama and they are not the first individuals who caused troubles. I do not seem to remember anyone making suggestions what French must do or not do, or what Germans must do or not do, or what Dutch must do or not do for that matter. So, make no mistake, Havoc's comment is clearly racist.
added on the 2016-01-10 20:37:03 by introspec introspec
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what can people like me do, what can I do?

What you can do is not get caught up on sloppy language and terminology people on your side of the argument (your side, right?) are using - you know exactly what Havoc meant when he said what he said.
added on the 2016-01-10 20:47:08 by Gargaj Gargaj
introspec: You're reading way too much into that statement, I even fixed a problem reported by another Russian (nyuk) in that same batch. So not just by context but also systematically it can be determined that I was talking to 2 specific Russian individuals. Also, to the best of my knowledge "Russians" is not a race but a term for all inhabitants of the Russian nation.
added on the 2016-01-10 20:55:59 by havoc havoc
As long as you don't get into those stupid fights you'll be fine.
added on the 2016-01-10 20:58:28 by TomoAlien TomoAlien
if this is not a fascism, so what is?
they bother us even more than you, but you treat us like we all are the same shit.
ok.
added on the 2016-01-10 21:27:33 by sq sq
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you know exactly what Havoc meant when he said what he said


when people use double speak it's very hard to know what they are saying.
defending havoc makes you as guilty.

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it can be determined that I was talking to 2 specific Russian individuals


if he ment just 2 people then why didn't he say names of those 2 but made it an statement of whole nation of people.

i bet there are different kind of people in pakistan, india, china..
but it would have been clearly racist if it was one of those!

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sloppy language

just by using elegant language doesn't mean you are on moral high ground.
added on the 2016-01-10 21:47:55 by 1in10 1in10
the opinion of you Scandinavians is totally irrelevant in this discussion, 1in10!
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What you can do is not get caught up on sloppy language and terminology people on your side of the argument (your side, right?) are using - you know exactly what Havoc meant when he said what he said.

Point taken.

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I even fixed a problem reported by another Russian (nyuk) in that same batch [...] "Russians" is not a race but a term for all inhabitants of the Russian nation

Look, I do not want another drama here, but what do expect with this type of statements? Just read this again tomorrow and you'll know what I mean. Peace.
added on the 2016-01-10 22:08:01 by introspec introspec
You do not want another drama? Stop talking out of your ass, that's exactly why you opened the thread :)
added on the 2016-01-10 22:17:18 by havoc havoc
I am an ass and i am offended. asses are not a race, but a kind of donkey! next time, mister so-called gloperator, when you want to insult some russians, please use other kind of animals. i heard snails are much more tolerable with smothering the reputation of their species in internet dramas!
You´re russian, you´re not supposed to whine like a gay political correctness yankee!
Now make a demo, not flamewar!

@Maali: The snails are not amused!
added on the 2016-01-10 22:53:57 by T$ T$
Demoscene... this is how you respond? I'm disappointed.
added on the 2016-01-10 23:03:09 by movAX13h movAX13h
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because I have to constantly prove to people that I am not bonkers,

As an Australian I can concur.

I'm not too offended by anything rowley birkin says - it's not like it's ever going to be important...
added on the 2016-01-11 00:09:28 by ringofyre ringofyre
introspec: it clearly wasnt meant as a generalized insult towards you, it was aimed at clamping the usual flamewar drama between alone_coder and goblishnish which havoc has to read on a daily basis and is sick of (like any sane person would be). get over it.
added on the 2016-01-11 01:08:23 by psenough psenough
Also,
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I do not seem to remember anyone making suggestions what French must do or not do, or what Germans must do or not do, or what Dutch must do or not do for that matter. So, make no mistake, Havoc's comment is clearly racist.


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added on the 2016-01-11 03:35:33 by havoc havoc
Guess how many bullshit from Alco&lvd came after ZX Enhaced party?

Let see how Gargaj fulfill Havoc's permban request.
added on the 2016-01-11 04:18:49 by g0blinish g0blinish
Is this offence, when you calling retard "retard"?
added on the 2016-01-11 08:22:01 by MC68k MC68k
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I do not seem to remember anyone making suggestions what French must do or not do, or what Germans must do or not do, or what Dutch must do or not do for that matter. So, make no mistake, Havoc's comment is clearly racist.


No, it clearly was not. Insulting a group of people does not make you racist. Insulting a RACE of people makes you racist.
added on the 2016-01-11 08:33:31 by trixter trixter

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