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Sorry but no.
sucks added on the 2024-04-01 22:28:00 by chavez
Yeah, no.
I zoned out after 60 seconds. Too slow, a story that goes nowhere, and generic AI art.
Go, Toxic Modulo, go! :]
what is the demo? this was a slideshow of images that nobody created, so where was the demo in there
Sorry Charlie, but this was worth breaking the "never disqualified an Amiga prod yet" streak ;<
Regardless of this explicitly violating rules or not, this is the most boring use of AI art (which in itself is boring) in a demo I've seen yet
Regardless of this explicitly violating rules or not, this is the most boring use of AI art (which in itself is boring) in a demo I've seen yet
Terve Greippi! What a good idea to let Bifat help you!
Original idea this prod. Keep on making them!
Live compo recording here:
https://youtu.be/I1OQbnsQLhs?si=AUjqKDwCT-kV6oV7
Original idea this prod. Keep on making them!
Live compo recording here:
https://youtu.be/I1OQbnsQLhs?si=AUjqKDwCT-kV6oV7
I liked the artwork, to be honest, and the character designs, and how many hi-res/interlaced slideshows are there on vanilla A500 with copper augmentation for extra colours? I never even thought it was AI, I don't see how it IS AI, even the Revision presenters were fooled, but if AI is the way things are going for most aspects of human life, then (shrugs).
it can help to use AI in a production (a screen, a sprite, ...) but maybe it's too much here
lemme rephrase: fuck you
No to AI
Sad :(
Even my almost 70yo father recognized these images as AI generated :D
But: +1 the technical effort! And also +~0.3 for gfx since generating this kind of comic even with "ai" is still not just "pressing play". (much less effort than drawing the panels manually though) Haven't watched this again, but at the compo I was a bit bummed out because the comic didn't seem to have much substance to it.
But: +1 the technical effort! And also +~0.3 for gfx since generating this kind of comic even with "ai" is still not just "pressing play". (much less effort than drawing the panels manually though) Haven't watched this again, but at the compo I was a bit bummed out because the comic didn't seem to have much substance to it.
The graphics mode is interesting, but unfortunately the presentation detracts too much from the overall experience to warrant a thumb.
Nope
Remarkable amount of colors on screen, probably with some copper trick.
The idea is nice and I don't think an AI came up with it by itself. My I guess is that it was used "only" as labor force to develop the drawings. Given this circumstance I may tolerate its use, once.
The idea is nice and I don't think an AI came up with it by itself. My I guess is that it was used "only" as labor force to develop the drawings. Given this circumstance I may tolerate its use, once.
It's a comic with an Amiga theme running on an Amiga and it succeeds in telling a story.
It's not particularly entertaining as a demo but some of the comments here appear rather narrow minded...
It's not particularly entertaining as a demo but some of the comments here appear rather narrow minded...
Stupid AI generated garbage
👍🏻 for the image codec. Really curious to read about that.
👎🏻 for making such a boring and uninteresting prod out of it 😟
👎🏻 for making such a boring and uninteresting prod out of it 😟
Here's my thumb for the music and the code. It looks amazing, so colorful. I hope the next episode will have a faster pace.
lol bifat, you little bitch
Looks great; I would like to know more about the display...HAM enhanced by copper palette changes maybe?
BIG NO, boring concept with crappy AI art
boring
Counterthumb for the concept + tech of fitting all these images on a single floppy disk. But I have to say it did not really work in the compo setting.
Ok, so a cool thing about the demoscene for me personally is seeing people hone their artistic and technical skills and presenting their projects to the community. AI generated art, in addition to all its social and ecological ramifications, completely disrupts that and makes every prod that uses it way less personal.
I do recognize your efforts in writing an image decompressor, that's an interesting thing to do! But the comic had the same style as a placeholder comic someone generated for a puzzle solving event I participated in - which is excusable there, but not in an art competition.
I do recognize your efforts in writing an image decompressor, that's an interesting thing to do! But the comic had the same style as a placeholder comic someone generated for a puzzle solving event I participated in - which is excusable there, but not in an art competition.
I wasn't going to comment on this, but explicitly asking for thumb-ups deserves a thumb-down :-) Would be interested in hearing about the codec, though.
This is fucking depressing.
Without name voting and "he is my friend", personally I will not spend my time to watch it... Would not neither keep it in my A500 demo collection.
I don't care if the art was pixeled by Frank Miller himself, looking at the decompressor code on github would be more interesting than the entry.
Next time, compress some images worth looking at
A superhero we didn't ask for, yet he crashed the party and invited himself in anyway.
nice technical achievement (i didn't even believed it was an OCS prod! would be cool to have a writeup to read), but the whole exceution was utterly boring :(
I didn't think I'd ever have to give a thumbs down on here but there's a first for everything I guess. This prod was boring, I'm not even going to elaborate, the elephant is in the room.
glöp
Counter thumb !? ...here we go...not...it was in fact too boring, and if a prod just triggered a may be usefull discussion, there's not much to a prod somehow...
Hm, didn’t realize this is AI. Just thought while watching who draws such a ridiculous amount of gfx and then present it in this quiet boring kind of way without movement of the panels or a music fitting the story.
Why the fuck even care making a demo when you can generate a video.
@Bifat how come we missed eachother last weekend?
Good luck with this scenedrama going on! Hope u liked the live recording.
Good luck with this scenedrama going on! Hope u liked the live recording.
@bifat: And why would I care? It's a waste of time to code something like an anim player when you can generate way cooler and more advanced animations. Get with the times. Coding virtually useless stuff for computers that only senile nerds with mid-stage alzheimers care about is stupid, when you can prompt some AI-generator to generate a really cool animation instead.
Thanks for making overall super shitty Amiga demo compo even shittier. Let the fucking 92s die already with OCS...
Nice
Genius! I love it. You did something new and good fun was generated. Massive thumb
I find it as a project to solve a technical problem (or achieve a goal) with help of a modern tool (AI gen.) and skill of a coder - to deliver a release to a certain deadline. From the initial idea to the final, released product - in a short time. All made for and fitted into limited specs of an obsolete hardware. As a spectator - I had fun. The gfx looked nice, it was something different and helped to extend the compo. And surely the production team had fun. Good job.
what p01 said
as a slideshow type of production it was ok. a bit too slow paced. maybe being more honest about gen AI use would not have hurted
It's the beginning of the end of demoscene to me. Demo should show your skills. Here you show that you can write some prompts and download jpgs.
If the compression is so good, why didn't you make a 64k intro instead?
On a beautiful summer day, Dikkie Dik and Okkie were playing together in the garden. Dikkie Dik happily ran after a butterfly, while Okkie was busy building a sand castle. Suddenly Okkie felt an urgent need to go to the toilet. He called to Dikkie Dik: "Dikkie Dik, I really need to go to the toilet!"
But just then Dikkie Dik tripped over a stone in the garden. He tumbled forward and landed with a thud right in front of the toilet door. Okkie looked shocked and shouted worriedly: "Dikkie Dik, are you okay?"
Dikkie Dik rubbed his snout and slowly stood up. "I think I'm okay, Okkie," he said with a sigh. "But I think I accidentally blocked the toilet door."
Okkie started laughing and said, "No problem, Dikkie Dik. Let's try to open the door together." Together they worked as a team and managed to open the toilet door. Okkie ran inside and breathed a sigh of relief.
Dikkie Dik looked on laughing and shouted through the door: "I'm glad you're on time, Okkie! Maybe I should be a little more careful with my butterfly hunt next time."
And so the day ended with laughter and adventure in Dikkie Dik and Okkie's garden, where even an unfortunate stumble could lead to a comical situation and a friendship that became stronger than ever before.
But just then Dikkie Dik tripped over a stone in the garden. He tumbled forward and landed with a thud right in front of the toilet door. Okkie looked shocked and shouted worriedly: "Dikkie Dik, are you okay?"
Dikkie Dik rubbed his snout and slowly stood up. "I think I'm okay, Okkie," he said with a sigh. "But I think I accidentally blocked the toilet door."
Okkie started laughing and said, "No problem, Dikkie Dik. Let's try to open the door together." Together they worked as a team and managed to open the toilet door. Okkie ran inside and breathed a sigh of relief.
Dikkie Dik looked on laughing and shouted through the door: "I'm glad you're on time, Okkie! Maybe I should be a little more careful with my butterfly hunt next time."
And so the day ended with laughter and adventure in Dikkie Dik and Okkie's garden, where even an unfortunate stumble could lead to a comical situation and a friendship that became stronger than ever before.
@yami.five enjoy the code which is left to show skills. as long as AIs don't replace that too. then the demoscene doesn't make any sense anymore, we all can leave for good and maybe we can then watch demoparties hosted by AIs for AIs.
well im not going to jump on any band-wagon here and even thumbed it up but the story was kinda lame, sorry :/
piggie it is
piggie it is
Yeah, if the story was the point then it was too boring.
"Absolutely mesmerizing! This Amiga demoscene prod crafted with AI is a testament to the boundless creativity and ingenuity within the community. The seamless fusion of cutting-edge technology with nostalgic charm truly transports viewers to a realm of awe-inspiring visuals and captivating audio. A remarkable achievement pushing the boundaries of what's possible on the Amiga platform!"
meh. This was amusing during the compo, but the generic art-style had all the tell tale signs of genAI, making it a lot less interesting.
The irony didn't escape me you know, the AI generated Jay Miner is holding an AI generated Macintosh II !
crap
Best in compo. Big thumb!
Honestly, while watching the compo I have not noticed at all it was AI generated content.
I only thought there were transfer of old school comics.
Never mind, it was quite long and boring. I don't really know Amiga platform and cannot judge of the difficulty to store/show such amount of pictures. But even if this aspect is insane, it is not properly sold this way.
I'm looking for a next one with demo effects ;)
I only thought there were transfer of old school comics.
Never mind, it was quite long and boring. I don't really know Amiga platform and cannot judge of the difficulty to store/show such amount of pictures. But even if this aspect is insane, it is not properly sold this way.
I'm looking for a next one with demo effects ;)
Really damn boring, and using AI crap sucks.
A shame, really, since with original art and better pacing this could have been an interesting showcase for the underlying technology, which I understood is somehow special.
A shame, really, since with original art and better pacing this could have been an interesting showcase for the underlying technology, which I understood is somehow special.
%#&@§
It looks like a bird... But it's not a bird. Really people, if this was a slideshow, do you really think it would not have been presented into the wild compo instead of the regular Amiga compo. There's much more behind this prod than just a codec, a decompressor, and random prompts into an AI generic tool... Blow on the surface to discover the diamond and the monumental work behind.
Master....? You call yourself master...
An arrogance, over confidence or what...
An arrogance, over confidence or what...
Even if handpainted, this would have been rather boring and pointless.
Piggie
Piggie
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It looks like a bird... But it's not a bird. Really people, if this was a slideshow, do you really think it would not have been presented into the wild compo instead of the regular Amiga compo. There's much more behind this prod than just a codec, a decompressor, and random prompts into an AI generic tool... Blow on the surface to discover the diamond and the monumental work behind.
NGL, if you would've liked us to notice the artistry and honed skills in the implementation or whatnot, I would've honestly expected you to treat your own work with respect instead of using the sweatshop labor laundering torment nexus
The compression tech is quite impressive. Too bad instead of trying to find a proper artist y'all went with AI generated garbage. Some music could've helped too.
Piggy because it looks like a lot of effort went into coding the image decompression tech, but then wasting it on AI generated stuff.
Piggy because it looks like a lot of effort went into coding the image decompression tech, but then wasting it on AI generated stuff.
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NGL, if you would've liked us to notice the artistry and honed skills in the implementation or whatnot, I would've honestly expected you to treat your own work with respect instead of using the sweatshop labor laundering torment nexus
This is my personnal comment and feeling about this production, and I was not at all involved in it. I've just followed the making of it from afar. That being said, I don't really understand your point. This is another debate and I do not condone slavery if this is what you mean. If I understand well your purpose it would be as if you would blame a prod for the coder or graphic artist wearing clothes made by kids in bangladesh or india.
I have a policy of upvoting every prod with strong/new code that I get around to reviewing. New compression codec on an OCS Amiga? Huge thumbs up.
I also like upvoting code that is not readily available for scener copypasta or that has been discussed to death for literally 2-3 decades. A majority of prods do incremental improvements on well known effects that you can not only nowadays easily find how-to tutorials, but also get full BSD/PD source code on GitHub for the platform of your choice.
Nowadays, PMC's Alpha and Omega, Cryptoburner's The Hunt for 7th October or Sim Production's Speed would probably get downvoted to death. Oh animation, oh why so long blah blah.
The scene crowd used to be different at the time, with a lot more people closer to the platform and understanding how hard something is to get working right on a stock Amiga 500.
I also like upvoting code that is not readily available for scener copypasta or that has been discussed to death for literally 2-3 decades. A majority of prods do incremental improvements on well known effects that you can not only nowadays easily find how-to tutorials, but also get full BSD/PD source code on GitHub for the platform of your choice.
Nowadays, PMC's Alpha and Omega, Cryptoburner's The Hunt for 7th October or Sim Production's Speed would probably get downvoted to death. Oh animation, oh why so long blah blah.
The scene crowd used to be different at the time, with a lot more people closer to the platform and understanding how hard something is to get working right on a stock Amiga 500.
It felt a bit sneaky to not explicitly said it was made with AI in slide description or in credit. I think it's fine to try things but hiding something like this feels weird
It's probably not my cup of tea and I don't want to enter the subject of AI, I will just give a thumb for the bold and unusual concept and for the amount of great that was needed here.
For me, the Amiga is a great but very hard machine to code on, so I can imagine how it was difficult to be able to display all this data in full colors on the screen.
Also, I'm happy to see Krill doing things on Amiga :)
For me, the Amiga is a great but very hard machine to code on, so I can imagine how it was difficult to be able to display all this data in full colors on the screen.
Also, I'm happy to see Krill doing things on Amiga :)
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I wanted to say 🥲🙈...for the amount of great CODE that was needed here...
i don't really care about the tech or the ai stuff here. the comic is bad and the demo is boring. successful troll
I've been following the comments here since the release and it's almost breaking my heart. In 10 - 15 years the Amiga demo scene will probably be completely extinct. Until then, I'll be happy about every new Amiga production. Especially when people explore new ideas. This was done here. Thanks for that!
There's a lot of chat about this, so I lost some seconds in my life (I played it fast and not to the end) watching it.
I liked the effort of this, I mean, I like reading comics as slideshows, and the image packer was really well coded. But, regardless if that was AI or not, I had an hard time in staying focused in watching it while it was shown. So, for me that's a piggie.
What Depeche and Rez said.
Thinking... Hum...
Some dudes spent (a lot of) time on coding it...
The other spent deliberately theirs on drawing/modelling the gfx...
Life has it that not all the results are critically accepted, acclaimed.
I wrote I would not have it in my A500 collection. That's true, cause it is not my cup. And - tbh - I am already (sic!) kinda tired of that AI close-to-perfect images not mentionning that I do not like too much all the "super-heros" stuff.
BUT! What is important - imo - is that the dudes spent (a lot of) time on it. That's really important. Easier to bash then to sit down on the a** and do something productive. And not to cancel (as Bifat said here in on of his comments). I respect it a lot and thanks goodness there still are productive and scene-oriented working dudes!!!
Back in the days we had many nice and many not-too-great demos. The difference is that the authors did not know (immediately) what the others were thinking about it and were still producing the stuff. I think that was good, since the process of creation alone is very important. No metter if the result is (according to the audience) great or not so much...
From the other point of view, psychologically speaking as well, it is very interesting (to me) to see the comments.
Some dudes spent (a lot of) time on coding it...
The other spent deliberately theirs on drawing/modelling the gfx...
Life has it that not all the results are critically accepted, acclaimed.
I wrote I would not have it in my A500 collection. That's true, cause it is not my cup. And - tbh - I am already (sic!) kinda tired of that AI close-to-perfect images not mentionning that I do not like too much all the "super-heros" stuff.
BUT! What is important - imo - is that the dudes spent (a lot of) time on it. That's really important. Easier to bash then to sit down on the a** and do something productive. And not to cancel (as Bifat said here in on of his comments). I respect it a lot and thanks goodness there still are productive and scene-oriented working dudes!!!
Back in the days we had many nice and many not-too-great demos. The difference is that the authors did not know (immediately) what the others were thinking about it and were still producing the stuff. I think that was good, since the process of creation alone is very important. No metter if the result is (according to the audience) great or not so much...
From the other point of view, psychologically speaking as well, it is very interesting (to me) to see the comments.
(...)Krill getting a 10x speedup over the C version of the decruncher(...)
Really... That's really nice and interesting!!!
Congrats!
Really... That's really nice and interesting!!!
Congrats!
interesting encoding and crunching! too bad about the overshadowing remainder, really takes the wind out of those sails.
@Greippi
Hahaha! Do keep the pencils and crayons;). Well, if you do not use them for other future projects...
I personally keep some of my old sketches (and tools). They bring me nice memories =).
Hahaha! Do keep the pencils and crayons;). Well, if you do not use them for other future projects...
I personally keep some of my old sketches (and tools). They bring me nice memories =).
I didn't think the story was too bad. Okay, a bit more action would have been good.
At least this production has fueled the discussion about artificial intelligence. And that alone is worth a lot. Yes, it should have been written right at the beginning that nobody created the images themselves. Otherwise, I'd say it's an interesting idea.
At least this production has fueled the discussion about artificial intelligence. And that alone is worth a lot. Yes, it should have been written right at the beginning that nobody created the images themselves. Otherwise, I'd say it's an interesting idea.
I found it way too long and boring. And regarding the use of AI art, not sure I find it less creative than all the ripped art in Batman Rises, probably actually more creative. Not that I like either one.
meh
so if this is in your eyes a successful experiment how to incorporate AI tech to help you craft the artwork here (I read how much time and energy you spent on that) in a reasonable and balanced way be more transparent and open about it next time and show what’s possible without the subliminal trolling or being „ahead of the pack“.
Even if we completely ignore how the artwork was made, this is a slideshow. One that progressively reveals itself in sections, but still a slideshow. As such, it belonged in the wild compo rather than the demo compo, IMO.
Transferring AI-generated graphics onto a machine with a limited palette and resolution is really no better than scanning them from a printed source. Dithering, noise, and other artifacts stand out too easily. It really ruined the "made on Amiga" experience for me, leaving only the technical feat of compressing images onto one floppy disk, which wasn't enough.
Transferring AI-generated graphics onto a machine with a limited palette and resolution is really no better than scanning them from a printed source. Dithering, noise, and other artifacts stand out too easily. It really ruined the "made on Amiga" experience for me, leaving only the technical feat of compressing images onto one floppy disk, which wasn't enough.
In Toxic Modulo 3 there should be a new superhero with bifat's face. Then you can build a Toxic League of Superheros
A little bit slow for my taste but a good production with lots of effort behind it, so nice work!
Some nice and novel tech, presented in a aesthetically pleasing way.
And if I'm totally honest, I couldn't give a flying fuck if it uses AI!
And if I'm totally honest, I couldn't give a flying fuck if it uses AI!
I can respect the technical aspect of the prod, but it was still boring as hell
I think this is pretty cool and one of the first full comics books I've seen made with AI art! The images aren't unrelated but a consistent characters and story.
As a demo it is taking a lot of flack because there are not many effects, it's mostly just a series of still images. Still it's a successful experiment and cool art, congrats!
As a demo it is taking a lot of flack because there are not many effects, it's mostly just a series of still images. Still it's a successful experiment and cool art, congrats!
AI art is theft. Telling me that "300-400 prompts were used" isn't impressive. To me it just sounds like you're saying "I robbed 30-40 banks." Yeah, okay, so you did. But that's a horrible thing to do, and a horrible thing to brag about. If this is the future of the demoscene, I guess it's been a good run, but we'll have to say goodbye.
What a pathetic exhibitionist stunt with that fanmail “joke”. Like little, thumbsized old men screaming “Look at me! Look at me!” It’s so dumb that the cringemeter might blow.
I think this is really interesting to try new things. This must be real hard work. Keep it up.
AI "artwork" :(
Nice consistency between images - this is usually hard to achieve with AI tools.
Nothing wrong with the prod overall,just tbh should be in "wild compo" category.
Nothing wrong with the prod overall,just tbh should be in "wild compo" category.
I liked it.
Good job :)
Great work !
Perhaps AI can help you post a link. ;-)
No, just no.
Yes, just yes.
total merde
Yawn
Next time do a good old C64 scroll text world record, but with ChatGPT!
I refuse to thumb this down, because I respect the people involved for their coding skill.
I disagree with bifat on AI and copyright tho
I disagree with bifat on AI and copyright tho
Christ, people, give Greippi a break! He's gone to the trouble of showing you his preliminary sketches for the comic strip and you're STILL giving him GRIEF!
Thankfully this entire prod is low effort spam, so that I can thumb it down without my motivations being questioned.
Why a team of 4? Grab a loader, make a PC script and the team is 0 - yes, including the music, uncredited one.
p.s. Make sure that the bot uploads it everywhere, too. You wouldn't want preservation site workers doing robot labor! It would decrease the spam potential!
I.e. My main criticism of this joke experiment is that it too inefficiently shows how to eliminate human contribution to our subculture. ;)
For a normal, non-toxic, non-attentionwhore egocentric demo, I would only ask normal questions, like: Who wrote the effects, who drew the pictures, and who composed the music. ;)
Why a team of 4? Grab a loader, make a PC script and the team is 0 - yes, including the music, uncredited one.
p.s. Make sure that the bot uploads it everywhere, too. You wouldn't want preservation site workers doing robot labor! It would decrease the spam potential!
I.e. My main criticism of this joke experiment is that it too inefficiently shows how to eliminate human contribution to our subculture. ;)
For a normal, non-toxic, non-attentionwhore egocentric demo, I would only ask normal questions, like: Who wrote the effects, who drew the pictures, and who composed the music. ;)
I guess that most of the anger comes from the fact the use of AI was not clearly stated. I agree that was a mistake, but clearly not an intention to cheat. Ok, everyone would have preferred actual graphics done by actual humans. Me too. Ok, the pace is slow. Fine, get over it, try not to be binary, and see if this prod is 100% laziness or if there's something good about it. There's an obvious effort and achievement in the code, and some of the jokes are cool (I remember the crowd laughing at Revision). At least, please acknowledge the effort and the skills involved. You're still free to dislike the end result.
I personally wouldn't like this prod better if no AI was used. Perhaps I'm not the only one. Authors seem to insinuate that this prod got rated worse ONLY because of AI usage.
Quite unusual prod. Like the other ones from Greippi. He always brings some weirdness to the scene, which is good.
This demo has more pace than many C64 prods I've seen! But really the thumb is for the amount of `content' on both the demo and pouet ;)
genuinely makes me not want to attend parties or participate in the scene anymore
ok
Here is a thumb for the scene drama this production has produced. Perhaps the scene is not dead after all ;-).
what noby said. at least stuff like this makes the ship sink faster.
I wasn't at the party place but on the stream this comic was hard to enjoy. Maybe it was a different experience live, a whole crowd holding their breath together while waiting the page to turn, but at home I never read comics without having full control over pacing.
I also have to admit my eyes instantly gloss over anything resembling "AI generated content" but it's not the biggest problem with this production.
An idea: a demo as a comic instead?
I also have to admit my eyes instantly gloss over anything resembling "AI generated content" but it's not the biggest problem with this production.
An idea: a demo as a comic instead?
@Greippi: I am not the biggest fan of AI in art. Sure you guys made a prod and submitted it to a major party letting your pants fall so to speak. But that are no reasons for me to like the prod (or pigg it for that matter). You had your reasons to make it and I have mine to thumb it down. A voting has most of the time nothing to do with the persons behind it, just like in this one. I am not trying to put down anyone. For what? And you simply can't have not taken in account that this prod will bring such reactions ( okay, that depends on the amount of beers you guys had before the deadline tho :D )
You’re growling at anyone that doesn’t like your prod. I’ve rarely seen such behaviour. What’s wrong with you guys? Do you want this to stay relevant for as much as possible? Is that it? A performance? I already said that I personally don’t dislike this prod simply because of AI usage, there’s a lot else. A lot. To this, Krill literally wrote “nonsence”. Then more people chime in. And here you go again. And Krill mentions “butthurt”. Not everyone that doesn’t like your prod is butthurt. I’d say you’re the butthurt one. Stop “shouting” people that don’t agree with your point of view (which is at that weird I must add) down. You sound like religious fanatics. Did it ever occur to you that the prod is perhaps just plain bad? “…so well made…” - what can one reply to that. You seem to genuinly think that. If you genuinely want this to stop, perhaps just try and stop growling at people.
Of course every prod has people who like it and people who don't. However, I've rarely seen this kind of fervor in authors' pushback against people who don't see things eye to eye with them. That's all. I guess this gives people the itch to engage. However, your previous post, the one about "internet circles" helped me get an inch closer to understanding this fervor.
You seem to think that when left to their own devices everybody in fact liked this prod. But then, these "internet circles" you mentioned came into play. So according to your theory, some sort of gang mentality in these "internet circles" swayed people into disliking the prod. Please, watch the prod again. What's the story like? Text? Artwork? Art direction? Style? Consistency? Continuity? Pacing? Sound? See if you still think all these are "so well made".
You seem to think that when left to their own devices everybody in fact liked this prod. But then, these "internet circles" you mentioned came into play. So according to your theory, some sort of gang mentality in these "internet circles" swayed people into disliking the prod. Please, watch the prod again. What's the story like? Text? Artwork? Art direction? Style? Consistency? Continuity? Pacing? Sound? See if you still think all these are "so well made".
It looks more and more like this prod was made to get people mad, so authors could then watch over pouet comments and respond to each one like "butthurt much??? ;)))))".
In the end it was just a boring entry and the compo would have been more enjoyable without it. Not just the fact that it's made via AI image generator, but also that it was an exceptionally dull usage of AI image generators...
In the end it was just a boring entry and the compo would have been more enjoyable without it. Not just the fact that it's made via AI image generator, but also that it was an exceptionally dull usage of AI image generators...
People must realise that nowadays we live in new era. There are plenty of demos with 3D vectors, unlimited bobs, co-sine raster lines (nothing against it), etc. I really don't know why is so wrong to create some images (AI generated or not), group them as a slideshow, use a computer to display them and then share with others.
In my opinion this is a nice production and I'm waiting for Vol 3. Thumbs up!
In my opinion this is a nice production and I'm waiting for Vol 3. Thumbs up!
Account created on 13.4.2024. at 15.15 h. COME ON!
looks nice,
I would read more about technical side, screen resolution (hires interlaced I guess), how many colors (16? copper color change?) etc.
I would read more about technical side, screen resolution (hires interlaced I guess), how many colors (16? copper color change?) etc.
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Please, watch the prod again. What's the story like? Text? Artwork? Art direction? Style? Consistency? Continuity? Pacing? Sound? See if you still think all these are "so well made".
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Account created on 13.4.2024. at 15.15 h. COME ON!
I visit this site for ages. This time I wanted to express my opinion about this prod and I created an account. What's wrong with that?
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super consistent on all levels
OK. Thank you.
Of course this all will cease to be relevant a month from now, as it always goes.
But, if you happen to wander upon this page in 5 years time, my guess is that it won't be my words that sting, but your own. Just a guess.
Speaking strictly for myself, there were no "internet circles" at play.
Peace.
cancelling a selfvote out. but meh. tech is interesting.
If I look at the drama here I have the feeling:
"Oh gosh, it has begun...AI "attacks" and undermines mankind and
plays off human beings against each other" ;-)
And alway remember, the end is nigh.
"Oh gosh, it has begun...AI "attacks" and undermines mankind and
plays off human beings against each other" ;-)
And alway remember, the end is nigh.
I keep thinking to myself: there’s some context here that I’m unaware of. There has to be. Context that will make me see that the ugly duckling is in fact a swan. Someone will reveal the secret context and things will become clearer.
Are you guys planning to release the sourcecode for the imagecompressor? Or is it already released? That + Aklang, a killer combo. :)
AI.. just no!
Please get an actual human artist for the third one lol
This is really well done and technically impressive.
Once upon a time, demoscene proved to the whole world that computer art is art. Now demoscene is trying to prove that AI art is not art.
It’s just sad to watch how demoscene struggles with new technologies, knowing that demoscene was once on the edge of progress.
Discussions on the topic of "theft" in the demoscene are simply ridiculous. Demoscene has always been about the theft of music and graphics from “real artists”. If the author "takes a picture from the AI" and not "copy a Marvel movie poster" for prod, then we will receive less "theft".
Also, After all, the demoscene originated from "piracy". It's stupid to pretend that this didn't happen.
The fact that AI takes away work from artists is really a problem, but not in demoscene, there is no "real work" here, this is a non-profit activity for fun. If someone enjoys with AI, that's good.
It’s just sad to watch how demoscene struggles with new technologies, knowing that demoscene was once on the edge of progress.
Discussions on the topic of "theft" in the demoscene are simply ridiculous. Demoscene has always been about the theft of music and graphics from “real artists”. If the author "takes a picture from the AI" and not "copy a Marvel movie poster" for prod, then we will receive less "theft".
Also, After all, the demoscene originated from "piracy". It's stupid to pretend that this didn't happen.
The fact that AI takes away work from artists is really a problem, but not in demoscene, there is no "real work" here, this is a non-profit activity for fun. If someone enjoys with AI, that's good.
Bleh bleh bleh
It's interesting to see how the AI question divided here too. Of course we have to take care about the AI generated picture in competition. But guys, Since 30 years, nobody's shocked by the fact lot of graphicians rip real pictures drawn by real artists on paper without any more creativity, just a very good use of the tools. Here what I see is an impressive program that allow to display so many colours in high definition, it's creazy... and so beautiful. And that music is perfect. So yes, old grandpas, it's not a standard demos with effect but I hope you will use this kind of engine to display so colourful OCS pictures in 640x480.
A nice change of pace. Really enjoyed this one!
Technically awesome. This resolution and level of detail on the A500 are really cool. A slide show with AI pictures is OK for me as long as they are labeled as such and interesting. But the music and pace completely ruined this one for me, which is a pity.
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