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Ok homage to 2nd reality but felt very unfinished even if in 8 kilobytes. I can look passed some differences quite well but lack of transitions, rough sounding music and dim/plain 3D scene made it a bit of a let down.
added on the 2015-04-07 06:05:02 by MuffinHop 
Yeah basically the same as branch, I was mostly annoyed by the lack of dynamism and transitions which was a large part what made the original so significant. Basically ends up sandwiched right on the line between being a "fun hack" (while not nearly fun enough) and a serious remix (while not nearly impressive enough).
I enjoyed it.
do not work here: black screen.
SLI780M i7 4930MX
SLI780M i7 4930MX
They made even a white bear!!!
Hmm, I can't run voice version (Windows 8.1)
Hmm, I can't run voice version (Windows 8.1)
very interesting experiment !
Barti: did you wait long enough? We didn't have room for the intro credits, so the first minute of the intro is a black screen.
BTW, if people would mention their OS and whether the voice version works or not, that would be super helpful in tracking down what's the problem.
BTW, if people would mention their OS and whether the voice version works or not, that would be super helpful in tracking down what's the problem.
interesting enough for me
Nice idea!
Very impressive to recreate then entire original 2nd reality demo with all its scenes, in only 8KB! Obviously, some corners had to but cut, what can anyone expect with only 8192 bytes to work with???
I won’t say it sucks because everyone would like to kill me, I guess, but I really got bored watching this at the party place. Sure, Second Reality is a masterpiece. Though, I tend to dislike remakes, because there’s nothing more than just the technical aspect. A demo is not about technique to me. It’s all about direction and feeling. And I fell nothing watching this. I guess it’s because I’m young and never have really enjoyed Second Reality as a lot of folks have.
I enjoyed it during the compo. :)
Forgot the thumb.
Second Reality was great. The C64 remake was a funny joke. This is that joke told twice, and therefore not funny anymore. Imitation is the biggest form of admiration, but here you're telling everyone that you admire future crew. Don't expect people to admire you for this.
Felt really unnecessary.
Blobby white seal saves it from thumbdown.
Blobby white seal saves it from thumbdown.
while i do appreciate the effort of this remake i think it only works at the partyplace with houndreds of people cheering while their favorite scenes from the original are beeing shown.
as an 8k on its own it sort of looses its appeal.
still... weak thumb up
as an 8k on its own it sort of looses its appeal.
still... weak thumb up
I first understood what this was after 1-2 minutes.. But then I had a good laught.. Especially with all the ppl in the audience singing the main melody :D
What a futile exercise. Most of those 20+ year old effects look badly and inconsequently remade (like the abridged finale), the thin synth sounds can't do the soundtrack justice and the whole tiredness and played out-ness of the concept of remaking Second Reality is just staring you in the face.
The only way to do this, if you really really have to, is to do it with so much gusto and aplomb that you forget that it's yet another SR remake. But this is just limp and buggy and rather sad.
The only way to do this, if you really really have to, is to do it with so much gusto and aplomb that you forget that it's yet another SR remake. But this is just limp and buggy and rather sad.
nice homage!
Quit the whining, Scene-Eberts. The only thing I felt was missing was the end part....too bad. Because the music was nice and some scenes looked really nice. The models, improvising the pixel artworks looked really funny. I have a soft spot for badly made human models. ;-)
Great fun!
Getting the music to fit in the space budget was super hard. Easily the hardest tracking project I've ever done. I'm thinking of writing a blog article about it if anybody's interested.
I'm incredibly proud of the work Seven and I did on this, I don't think anybody has fit this number of effects and scenes and amount of music per kb into a production ever..it's more than 42 times smaller than the c64 recreation and almost 300 times smaller than the original!
It's all the more fitting for it to be a scene-for-scene 8k recreation of the best demo ever made.
I hope somebody decides to take a go at cramming this into a 4k next year!
I'm incredibly proud of the work Seven and I did on this, I don't think anybody has fit this number of effects and scenes and amount of music per kb into a production ever..it's more than 42 times smaller than the c64 recreation and almost 300 times smaller than the original!
It's all the more fitting for it to be a scene-for-scene 8k recreation of the best demo ever made.
I hope somebody decides to take a go at cramming this into a 4k next year!
I know this is cheap in many ways, but it's also impressive in many ways.
I also laughed so much I probably disturbed the guys in front of us. Sorry.
I also laughed so much I probably disturbed the guys in front of us. Sorry.
Thank you so much for doing this.
El Blanco, it's considered bad form to thumb up your own production on Pouet. BTW, I'll send you a recording of the compo, Scenesat captured not even half of the audience reaction :)
I agree that the intro worked at its best at the compo, where the 1 minute black screen added more mystery about what was coming, and after that there was the tension of "did they manage to fit ALL scenes in?" That feeling isn't going to come back, you had to be there.
And I agree this remix is less accurate than others, but it's the first *size-limited* remix. There hasn't even been a 64K version. So, hell yeah, we're proud of it. Hard choices had to be made, and a 16K version would have done the source material so much more justice, but there are no 16K intro compos at the parties I'm visiting, so...
I agree that the intro worked at its best at the compo, where the 1 minute black screen added more mystery about what was coming, and after that there was the tension of "did they manage to fit ALL scenes in?" That feeling isn't going to come back, you had to be there.
And I agree this remix is less accurate than others, but it's the first *size-limited* remix. There hasn't even been a 64K version. So, hell yeah, we're proud of it. Hard choices had to be made, and a 16K version would have done the source material so much more justice, but there are no 16K intro compos at the parties I'm visiting, so...
I enjoyed watching it. It was great fun! I also think that it's admirable to do this in 8k. Thank you! :)
Fitting all of that in 8k is pretty awesome, and I had quite a laughter choke when I recognized what it was. Thanks!
laughed hard, thanks
yep, incredible amount of work. great guys!
Of course this is a huge abstraction from the original, but exactly the "how the hell are they going to get the rest of the scenes into this tiny thing as well?" feeling made it work during the party. Some of the music leads being off made me cringe though, was that intentional (because of compression ratio or whatever) or an oversight?
What branch, noby and korvkiosken said.
Being part of a crowd of nostalgic people was kind of fun, but I won't watch the demo again. Lots of effort wasted, IMHO.
Being part of a crowd of nostalgic people was kind of fun, but I won't watch the demo again. Lots of effort wasted, IMHO.
Saga Musix: we used clinkster for the music which presented a few problems and limitations:
- hard to get exact synth sounds to match a 20+ year old 8-bit sample
- no pitch bends, glissando or mid-note volume changes (these used to be run-of-the-mill when trackers were all samples, but modern synths don't support this as well, and not within the constraints of clinkster)
- more instruments took up more space, which meant lots of instruments were pressed into reuse and even more were cut (check out the readme in the zip for more details). So instruments with different ADSR envelopes were treated the same.
- notes take up space, so I had to cut tons of note data and use all sorts of musical tricks to get it to sound as close as possible
- hard to get exact synth sounds to match a 20+ year old 8-bit sample
- no pitch bends, glissando or mid-note volume changes (these used to be run-of-the-mill when trackers were all samples, but modern synths don't support this as well, and not within the constraints of clinkster)
- more instruments took up more space, which meant lots of instruments were pressed into reuse and even more were cut (check out the readme in the zip for more details). So instruments with different ADSR envelopes were treated the same.
- notes take up space, so I had to cut tons of note data and use all sorts of musical tricks to get it to sound as close as possible
I had played with the thought of doing exactly this, though I would have named it "8192nd Reality" to have it sound more like the original. :)
I am honored that you chose to use Clinkster for this ambitious project, and also intrigued at the problems you ran into with music of this scale. It is always interesting when people push your tools beyond their limits.
Some scenes are a bit weak indeed, but others are quite nice. It was great entertainment at the party. Always this special crowd atmosphere about remakes.
I am honored that you chose to use Clinkster for this ambitious project, and also intrigued at the problems you ran into with music of this scale. It is always interesting when people push your tools beyond their limits.
Some scenes are a bit weak indeed, but others are quite nice. It was great entertainment at the party. Always this special crowd atmosphere about remakes.
I understand the rock-and-a-hard-place situation in making a size-limited version of Second Reality. 4kb would be impressive, but the result would be too abstract and short. 64kb wouldn't be impressive unless it was a full-on remake with improved effects and scenes, which wasn't the goal. Like Seven said, 16kb would be perfect, but Revision went with 8k, so there you have it.
I'm glad they got all the effects in, but many design elements are missing, like the intro text and key transitions. It was a noble effort to include speech via the Windows speech API, but unnecessary IMO. The method of creating graphics using spheres was cute. I would've expected 2D polygons and circles, which might have produced more accurate pictures but with less depth.
As for the music, I understand sacrifices had to be made to fit it in with all the effects. It's all there and elblanco did a fine job.
I know everyone's busy with real life and whatnot, but it would be nice to someday see a final version with tweaks and optimizations. The world doesn't really need any more Second Reality remakes, but I give thumbs up for having the guts to go through with it and giving the Revision audience something to smile about.
I'm glad they got all the effects in, but many design elements are missing, like the intro text and key transitions. It was a noble effort to include speech via the Windows speech API, but unnecessary IMO. The method of creating graphics using spheres was cute. I would've expected 2D polygons and circles, which might have produced more accurate pictures but with less depth.
As for the music, I understand sacrifices had to be made to fit it in with all the effects. It's all there and elblanco did a fine job.
I know everyone's busy with real life and whatnot, but it would be nice to someday see a final version with tweaks and optimizations. The world doesn't really need any more Second Reality remakes, but I give thumbs up for having the guts to go through with it and giving the Revision audience something to smile about.
Blueberry: Thanks for making clinkster! It's an awesome tool. It puts out really great sounds and I'm glad we were able to push it up-to and beyond the limit. Seven can give you lots more detail on some of the code-side challenges. For us musician types, it's pretty easy to understand and the tool chain for testing and compression is unbelievably helpful. easy_exe was my constant companion.
I think the controversy over this prod is cool. It's helping the scene continue to evaluate itself as a global art movement. Homages and past references are part of that process and I think it was really fun to participate in bringing the discussion up.
Part of the scene to me has always been exploring what's possible within extreme limits, either artificial or part of the system you're working on. 4k and 8k are artificial, but really push creativity in exciting ways -- even if the hardware is modern. The c64 remake really explores what was possible back in that day (and comments about that one are also quite controversial).
I'd love to see people push forward other old demos, or explore old demo themes informed by modern ideas, it can be an important path towards driving the scene forward.
I think the controversy over this prod is cool. It's helping the scene continue to evaluate itself as a global art movement. Homages and past references are part of that process and I think it was really fun to participate in bringing the discussion up.
Part of the scene to me has always been exploring what's possible within extreme limits, either artificial or part of the system you're working on. 4k and 8k are artificial, but really push creativity in exciting ways -- even if the hardware is modern. The c64 remake really explores what was possible back in that day (and comments about that one are also quite controversial).
I'd love to see people push forward other old demos, or explore old demo themes informed by modern ideas, it can be an important path towards driving the scene forward.
<3
Seven: oops, I didn't mean to thumb up. Somebody give me a piggie!
Someone screaming "I'm not an atomic playboy" at the right time made for a good laugh :)
The length and number of parts within that 8kb remake-demo is fantastic! Probably a 64kb-improved version could have end up being more nice & fun to watch, but the 8kb limit make it more challenging - as many already mention it!
Like phoenix mention, probably 16kb limit could have been the perfect size to bring this production to top-notch quality?
or.. a 64kb... with 4 demos? ;-)
1. Desert Dreams
2. Second Reality
3. Dope
4. State of the Art
humm... not sure that's a good idea...
Like phoenix mention, probably 16kb limit could have been the perfect size to bring this production to top-notch quality?
or.. a 64kb... with 4 demos? ;-)
1. Desert Dreams
2. Second Reality
3. Dope
4. State of the Art
humm... not sure that's a good idea...
cute
now here's a prod that didn't need to be done.
Maybe Elevated 8k?
I enjoyed it on the stream, and just now on the pc. Awesome.
The technical awesomeness of this intro flies right over peoples heads. I lost count of the amount of scenes contained in these 8k. Procedural modelling against an existing reference is very hard, much more so than coming up with "generic" good looking scenes.
Yes, some of it looks wonky, but that's unavoidable given the size constraints, and makes it all the more charming.
Big thumb up for this massive effort!
Yes, some of it looks wonky, but that's unavoidable given the size constraints, and makes it all the more charming.
Big thumb up for this massive effort!
Sure there are legit complaints one might make about this production. And of course it works best if you're intimately familiar with the source material. In that context, this was a great success. Well done!
for the Size!
elblanco: Well, hm, using a custom synth might in fact have been smaller, I guess. But still, were the wrong melodies part of the size reduction or was that unintentional? Some melodies sounded just sounded so wrong during the compo, and that wasn't because notes were missing but rather because they were transposed.
Saga Musix:
hmmm...they should be note for note accurate to the original composition. I literally used the original score and got the melodies as close as I could with clinkster. Not saying there's not improvements that can be made, but they shouldn't have sounded off.
hmmm...they should be note for note accurate to the original composition. I literally used the original score and got the melodies as close as I could with clinkster. Not saying there's not improvements that can be made, but they shouldn't have sounded off.
This specific demo has probably been done to death, but I can see how the challenge of getting it into 8k might appeal.
impressive
this was really cool
Nice intro in 1990......
elblanco: Well, I hope you checked the base note of every sample then. Not all samples are tuned to the same base note in the original files.
The funny blobby characters.
Saga Musix: For sure. I figured that out pretty early on. But I'll admit some of the harmonics on some of the instruments made it non-easy. There's actually quite a few dissonant bass parts in the original, which I had to clean up to save space, but that could definitely make it sound a bit different from the original. Thanks for the comments!
I'll admit a little bit of bias (which is why I'm not thumbing up), but I for one think the production turned out beautifully within the confines of the 8k threshold. Our mailing list was on fire with lots of tweaks and optimization discussions, especially in the case of the music. You can imagine that optimizing music for something of this nature would be difficult...doing it over email half a world away is a lot more difficult. That said, I really admire the work that elblanco and seven did. I think it turned out very well. I'm proud of them and I think they should be proud of themselves as well.
Fun :)
I'm a bit puzzled about this. Of course it brings back old memories, but i felt it was compressed too much. Not from the technical point of view, because this is no normal 8k one trick pony raymarcher with maintheme, reprise, reprise, fin - rather an "as close as possible" approach of a remake - which certainly eats up more size. So sizecoding-wise it might be impressive, but it fails to reproduce the original in a proper way imho. Anyway, the reproducing is done by the brain, no matter how good or bad the impulse (the demo) is. I would guess almost everybody judges - as a first reaction - by what this reconstructed memory makes him feel like (yay! oldschool ♥) Others might skip this step entirely and think "yeah i got it, remake, but how PRECISE is it?" - and rate it rather bad, because it's not original (designwise, as it's copied) and also not what the average 8K coder goes for to make something that looks, and sounds, GOOD. I think we're in a region where the scene has no scale yet, and there might actually never be such a scale.
As a simpler example : i tried to figure out what Mona would look like if i had actually never seen the Mona Lisa. Go on and try it ;) Everybody's first reaction is "holy crap that IS Mona Lisa!", but in fact our brain does the work here, and after rewatching it certain times it's much less impressive.
Likewise, if i try to rate what actually IS here, minus the reconstruction of my brain of "2nd" then there's not much (it's just a remake, without own design) besides lots of effort to make this happen. The crazy thing is, that sticking to the original even causes some things to be rather bad, because of size restriction, and there might be effects where more varying could have saved space AND been better (that's an assumption of course) And each of these tradeoffs is perceived differently by each person viewing it.
I certainly know something about the pain of trade off decisions, since i bring down code to even more insane sizes. So i won't thumb it down, but for a thumb up i would at least expect one of the versions to work ;) (Win7 64bit, Quad Q9300 , Nvidia GeFocre 9800 GTX+)
As a simpler example : i tried to figure out what Mona would look like if i had actually never seen the Mona Lisa. Go on and try it ;) Everybody's first reaction is "holy crap that IS Mona Lisa!", but in fact our brain does the work here, and after rewatching it certain times it's much less impressive.
Likewise, if i try to rate what actually IS here, minus the reconstruction of my brain of "2nd" then there's not much (it's just a remake, without own design) besides lots of effort to make this happen. The crazy thing is, that sticking to the original even causes some things to be rather bad, because of size restriction, and there might be effects where more varying could have saved space AND been better (that's an assumption of course) And each of these tradeoffs is perceived differently by each person viewing it.
I certainly know something about the pain of trade off decisions, since i bring down code to even more insane sizes. So i won't thumb it down, but for a thumb up i would at least expect one of the versions to work ;) (Win7 64bit, Quad Q9300 , Nvidia GeFocre 9800 GTX+)
I'm not 100% sure of the end results, but this def' took some balls to try :D
Impressive for 8k, very understandable that corners had to be cut. There is no 16k category..so
Yeh its not original but it was fun seeing how you dealt with all the limitations, and the showmanship of the slide titles et al was great. Also ive never heard such a quick reaction to a production, after the first second of it half the audience was impressed or pissed, so big thumb from me.
Nice execution!
Great production.
Phoenix: are you suggesting it currently contains no optimizations? :) Realistically, I could maybe save 50 bytes if I spend another week or so on it, but that could add maybe one or two transitions, or fades to black/white for most scene switches. And the timing could be improved here and there. But how many people would rewatch it for that? And that's not going to happen soon, family has had to put up with my lack of time/focus for months and I promised that after Revision there would be more family time. Maybe later, in which case you'd be welcome to suggest where the extra bytes should go to first.
Hellmood: the intro was finished on a Win7 SP1 64 bit laptop with an nvidia 760M card. How is it not working? Instant crash, or dark screen? In the former case, would you be willing to run debug version? In the latter case, updating you drivers might work, I'm on 327.02. Is there sound playing?
Also, thanks for the interesting analysis!
Hellmood: the intro was finished on a Win7 SP1 64 bit laptop with an nvidia 760M card. How is it not working? Instant crash, or dark screen? In the former case, would you be willing to run debug version? In the latter case, updating you drivers might work, I'm on 327.02. Is there sound playing?
Also, thanks for the interesting analysis!
Video, please.
Good news first : it runs =)
When starting, it does nothing initially, but goes to background and gives me something like a blue/pink menubar(?) over the desktop. The cursor goes to busy state. If i switch to the application, Win7 goes like "xyz doesnt react, watch wanna do now", also the background goes black - while keeping said menubar (full white, if try to escape). If i just leave it in either state, it eventually goes full black and the music starts. I guess i wasn't patient enough :D
Rewatching it several times, missing tones or tones which are half off really hurt the ears :/ That's what you get if you cover something THAT famous :D Also, some stuff looks really cheap (i watched it on the stream initially, compression made it look somewhat textured). But you know what, it runs, a lot of work went into it, it is 8K, and the scenes which feel right in my own subjective universe, are pretty decent (plasma, cube, sword somewhat) ... so, have your thumb already ;)
When starting, it does nothing initially, but goes to background and gives me something like a blue/pink menubar(?) over the desktop. The cursor goes to busy state. If i switch to the application, Win7 goes like "xyz doesnt react, watch wanna do now", also the background goes black - while keeping said menubar (full white, if try to escape). If i just leave it in either state, it eventually goes full black and the music starts. I guess i wasn't patient enough :D
Rewatching it several times, missing tones or tones which are half off really hurt the ears :/ That's what you get if you cover something THAT famous :D Also, some stuff looks really cheap (i watched it on the stream initially, compression made it look somewhat textured). But you know what, it runs, a lot of work went into it, it is 8K, and the scenes which feel right in my own subjective universe, are pretty decent (plasma, cube, sword somewhat) ... so, have your thumb already ;)
Hellmood: glad to hear it works. The delay is Clinkster generating the music, which takes a while for a 9 minute soundtrack. Unlike 4klang, it has no option to generate the music in a separate thread.
Friol: Here's a YouTube link to the version without voices, as kkapture does not support the Speech API and crashes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJFvy8CgvzU
We'll try to get a version with voices up later.
Friol: Here's a YouTube link to the version without voices, as kkapture does not support the Speech API and crashes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJFvy8CgvzU
We'll try to get a version with voices up later.
I am so tired of seeing yet another remix. Of course this intro is a genuine effort, but you lacked most of the transitions and this
I praise the technical effort of making it 8k, but a remix should bring something more than the original. In my opinion, putting less parts but polishing them with proper transitions wouldn't hurt.
Haters gonna hate. I generally dislike the idea of doing remixes and remakes but thumb up for the end result and silly blobby pictures.
I must say, the melody is broken in some places. If you cover a classic, make sure you get the melody right.
Well, obviously there are a lot of things that could've been better but it made quite a lot of stirr in crowd (maybe more positive i would guess) at the party so.. fairly enjoyably, maybe not something to watch many times at home, though.
party people pleaser, and I've enjoyed it a lot.
it looks like not quite finished.
requires the final version :)
Imitation of some effects suck. It would be necessary to improve the synchronization and add original scene transitions, some corrections soundtrack.
But nice work, guys!
requires the final version :)
Imitation of some effects suck. It would be necessary to improve the synchronization and add original scene transitions, some corrections soundtrack.
But nice work, guys!
Errr.. 8| ....Whadda? 8k.?. Amazing work, enjoyable production...
NB. I do not get exactly why ppl are thumbing this down. Indeed, there are a LOT of comprimises (read the NFO file), in some places it is funny, but hey!, it is 8k only!
NB. I do not get exactly why ppl are thumbing this down. Indeed, there are a LOT of comprimises (read the NFO file), in some places it is funny, but hey!, it is 8k only!
what sim said
I just saw the version with the voices in complete length and am quite happy that we played the version without the voices. The speech API isn't that great...
Will bug you again to do an 8k, if that helps! ;)
Will bug you again to do an 8k, if that helps! ;)
Amazing work!
Would love to read that blogpost reguarding the music!
Would love to read that blogpost reguarding the music!
Pretty well done for 8K. But it remains a remake with little own ideas.
It's hard no to thumb this up, mainly for the effort and also because music is really close to the original!
On the other hand, even that I know it's really hard to fit all those scenes into 8k, when every loop or math. expression counts, I feel like some scenes could be better (maybe by removing voices completely?), like would be nice to improve the famous "smoke" animation (that here just looks like cheap plasma) and add a final touch to the end scene (at least spaceship could fly away of the city) - the ending is just not exciting now.
On the other hand, even that I know it's really hard to fit all those scenes into 8k, when every loop or math. expression counts, I feel like some scenes could be better (maybe by removing voices completely?), like would be nice to improve the famous "smoke" animation (that here just looks like cheap plasma) and add a final touch to the end scene (at least spaceship could fly away of the city) - the ending is just not exciting now.
OH HELL NO!
Fun historical fact: In the early 2000s, we were a small group of people who tried to do exactly this… only in 64k. We spent a fair amount of time looking at screencaps of the various effects and figuring out how to get them to look visually indistinguishable (this was before any reasonable capture was available, and of course also before the source came out), drawing maps of the city, etc.. I think we concluded that it _could_ be done in 64k, but we were not sure, and it would be so much work that the project just faded away and died. And then you guys come and do it in 8k :-)
Meh...
I will not thumb this down because I can see a lot of effort and love went into this.
What for me kills it is that some effects look worse than the original which is somewhat bad considering it is more than 20 years old. And a big no no is the missing of certain flashes, details and transitions. Exactly those MADE the original version so cool and stand out.
I will not thumb this down because I can see a lot of effort and love went into this.
What for me kills it is that some effects look worse than the original which is somewhat bad considering it is more than 20 years old. And a big no no is the missing of certain flashes, details and transitions. Exactly those MADE the original version so cool and stand out.
i wish you'd put that effort into something original.
Seven: maybe you could put it up on github and see what tweaks people suggest to optimize it further in size and make closer to the original? just a thought.
Sesse: I thought Seven was a little crazy when he proposed this project. I thought we'd just get a few effects in and it'd be a 2 or 3 minute homage. But he's pulled off amazing stuff in tiny spaces before so I figured "let's give it a shot", then he said he wanted to do the whole thing (minus the end-credits) and I figured he was a little insane. I'm really happy we pulled it off, but there was lots of blood, sweat and tears to do it.
psenough: I kinda like the idea of "Second Reality Golf"! That could be a really awesome compo idea.
psenough: I kinda like the idea of "Second Reality Golf"! That could be a really awesome compo idea.
Las: do you really consider the voices a net negative? I know the intonation doesn't match and it's all female, but I thought having any voice at all would be a big plus. If not, if/when I make a final, I better invest those 200 bytes somewhere else...
psenough: I can understand opensourcing stuff for educational purposes, but I doubt it'll work for design. I think either no-one will be contribute, or many will but with different ideas on what is most important (say transitions vs city scene), and I don't want to arbitrate.
psenough: I can understand opensourcing stuff for educational purposes, but I doubt it'll work for design. I think either no-one will be contribute, or many will but with different ideas on what is most important (say transitions vs city scene), and I don't want to arbitrate.
I feared this to win and am happy it didnt ofcoz! ;) :p
Not _only_ because i wouldn´t have won, but also because of what everyone else said above. I guess you had fun making it and it was really hard, but i completely dislike the endproduct, sorry! I´d rather watch the original again than this...while i dont like the original except the soundtrack.
Music: sorry, but at compotime my ears asked for holidays at some points...maybe sth happened to your data last minute? Sounded wrong a lot for sure! :/
About Microsoft Anna:
I played around with her for my 8k aswell, but even with added reverb she still sounds dull with any setting, so i skipped that idea the same day i had and tried it. 200bytes is a lot to be used more wisely somewhere else.
In your case (this prod) i couldn´t have resisted aswell, tho! ;)
All in all you did some wonderful stuff before, so better stick back to your own style and be back in next years 8k-compo to blow us all away! ;)
You two still get my thumb-up for all your effort ofcoz! :)
Not _only_ because i wouldn´t have won, but also because of what everyone else said above. I guess you had fun making it and it was really hard, but i completely dislike the endproduct, sorry! I´d rather watch the original again than this...while i dont like the original except the soundtrack.
Music: sorry, but at compotime my ears asked for holidays at some points...maybe sth happened to your data last minute? Sounded wrong a lot for sure! :/
About Microsoft Anna:
I played around with her for my 8k aswell, but even with added reverb she still sounds dull with any setting, so i skipped that idea the same day i had and tried it. 200bytes is a lot to be used more wisely somewhere else.
In your case (this prod) i couldn´t have resisted aswell, tho! ;)
All in all you did some wonderful stuff before, so better stick back to your own style and be back in next years 8k-compo to blow us all away! ;)
You two still get my thumb-up for all your effort ofcoz! :)
Seven: Yep, IMHO the voices are "net negative". Didn't fit really well, especially if your brain automatically fills in the correct missing voice samples in a way.
But that's just my opinion.
But that's just my opinion.
ugly as possible (like the original one in fact) but it was so funny to watch at the party, I can not decently give anything than a thumb up :D
:D
it made us in Australia laugh our tits off :D
i have mixed feelings about this. The shiny blobby things are very out-of-place, basically ruining the whole thing, and some other parts are rather imperfect. The music is a rather good effort though.
*on the other hand*, i was really drunk during the compo, and at some parts i was actually convinced that i'm watching the original, so thumbs up for convincing at least a very drunk me! :)
*on the other hand*, i was really drunk during the compo, and at some parts i was actually convinced that i'm watching the original, so thumbs up for convincing at least a very drunk me! :)
great work, and the generated pics were funny :D
A for effort, but E in execution. Valiant effort, but ultimately very flawed.
Given the feedback, the final version won't have the voices, and I'll try to fit in as much transitions as possible. Stay tuned!
Kudos for the effort, but the end result is not very appealing imo.
I wrote up a blog series on the music http://elblancosdigitaldreams.blogspot.com/2015/04/getting-real-pt-1-are-we-crazy.html
really enjoyed the suspense on the bigscreen!
Also, we got a final done. Now without voices, but with plenty of transitions (though not all, sorry). The download link and youtube link have been updated.
I especially liked the end scene, watching it again. But if you had taken the real pictures and the original musics + the effects, and if it is 1993 again. You would have a great demo which most probably would (whyever) cause this to get harsh comments.
Awesome how much content this takes. Dunno about 8k at the moment but I think you did very good.
Pls stop remaking stuff and start your own ideas.
No matter how good this is technically, it still feels like a very bad remake.
No matter how good this is technically, it still feels like a very bad remake.
You did it. Nice one, respect!
Thanks for the write-up as well.
Thanks for the write-up as well.
Fitting that much into 8k is very impressive. And I can only assume how much work this must have been. You have my sincere respect.
I have to admit though, that I really dislike the final product. I do not think this is due to bad execution, it probably is an impossible task to make an 8k remake of second reality that i can enjoy.
I have to admit though, that I really dislike the final product. I do not think this is due to bad execution, it probably is an impossible task to make an 8k remake of second reality that i can enjoy.
Lots of effort, but this horse is dead.
it was enjoyable and funny in the sense of nice for trying. but yeah, dead horse and stuff.
it was very funny and enjoyable, liked it very much. cool music conversion btw.
Double thumb for the final.
Thumb up for the technical effort and the great music.
It's obvious that a lot of work and <3 has been put in this demo, and a big thumb up it deserves!
не запускается :( AMD ASUS R9 270x (14.12) :(
(Regarding the music) You mess with a classic, botch it up badly, you brag about it in an article, you're being told, and then you add a paragraph saying you can't be arsed to fix it. Not cool.
:)
Better than original mhahah
Seven: Did you figure out what caused the crash on Win8.1 with SAPI?
Very nice, even if I didn't really like some parts of it :)
Las: No, I don't have a Windows 8 machine, and after I replaced the voices with more transitions, I had no reason to keep looking into it.
The models made me laugh, and the amount of content is respectable, but some of the pacing/transitions is botched, and that first minute is... well...
I'm not really sure 8k was the right category for a project like this. I think you would have achieved much better results (and feedback) by trying to replicate it as perfectly as possible in a 64k. With today's technology it should be achievable, even counting the voice samples and art.
I'm not really sure 8k was the right category for a project like this. I think you would have achieved much better results (and feedback) by trying to replicate it as perfectly as possible in a 64k. With today's technology it should be achievable, even counting the voice samples and art.
This is great, but i think you could drop the 3D city scene and invest the spare bytes to make great sync ! or better yet, make it in 16kb next year
Oh and i just watched the final version now, you're almost there !
A very cool production with melodies to kneel.
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Seven: Did you figure out what caused the crash on Win8.1 with SAPI?
Some essential functions in ole32.dll have changed to Forwarded RVA in Windows 8, so the Crinkler import code crashes.
It forwards to a DLL with a very long and weird name. I don't see much hope for SAPI in Crinkler-compressed intros on Windows 8+ (unless you do manual import by name), but we will look into it.
I giggled, and when I do that I usually like it
Only Fulcrum makes it possible. And ofc for the music...
soulless.
Just a copy ;-)
Bring on the next 8kb remake! :D
Bring on the next 8kb remake! :D
Most things about this have already been said. It's kinda "impressive", but there have been various remakes and imitations already, and personally I would've preferred a 64k remake that'd be closer to the original (but perhaps with some modern twists.)
Props for the music tho, but that still brings it just to a "strong piggy".
Props for the music tho, but that still brings it just to a "strong piggy".
Not bad. :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOH0UZFhXdE for the cammed version with audience's reactions. Haha.
How not to make a remake... the recreation of the parts which are quite lengthy or less astonishing is amazingly close, but it totally fails to provide the feeling of the 2d artwork and the sound fidelity which made second reality outstanding.
Even worse, most scenes suffer from using todays high-res gfx for imitating oldschool low-res effects without adjusting them accordingly.
Piggy for the effort though.
Even worse, most scenes suffer from using todays high-res gfx for imitating oldschool low-res effects without adjusting them accordingly.
Piggy for the effort though.
it's ok while watching at home during COVID-19 quarantine moment. but not impressive enough for a fully pledged thumb up.
In my opinion, this thing sucks to the point that it's so ridiculous for a thumbs down. So, thumbs up!
meh
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