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respect for "making" a demo about it.
no thumb up, because lol, fuck AI
no thumb up, because lol, fuck AI
oh fuck off
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Great work, mrdoob!
i kinda find it ironic that this is probably the best demo that trace has ever made... looks like AI can indeed outdo talent. well prompted!
Scene drama. I thought I'd left that behind in 1994.
Other than that - awesome.
Other than that - awesome.
LOL, a demo about it! :]
minimalanimal strikes again!
actually, the best thing that came out of this whole flamewar drama so far. someone made a demo about it :D
actually, the best thing that came out of this whole flamewar drama so far. someone made a demo about it :D
why the fuck would you upvote and encourage this slop and behavior, I don't get it
I guess because it’s edgy and there’s nothing more cool than a ~50 year old white dude on the internet roleplaying that it’s still the 90s and that everyone is still in their late teens or early 20s?
Ok the track is fucking sick, but did you get permission for it... ?
THANKFULLY that is not ai.
Depressingly, the demo itself, for what it's trying to communicate, is really good.
Thing is, you didn't design this, you seem retired and grumpy. Also couldn't design something of this level. So thumbs up to claude or whatever?? Gonna be fun getting these in PC demo compos, not only oldschool🙄 It got to a point where u can go jerk off or smth while the whole thing is being made. In fact mrdoob, go jerk off to a robot and fuck off 😇
THANKFULLY that is not ai.
Depressingly, the demo itself, for what it's trying to communicate, is really good.
Thing is, you didn't design this, you seem retired and grumpy. Also couldn't design something of this level. So thumbs up to claude or whatever?? Gonna be fun getting these in PC demo compos, not only oldschool🙄 It got to a point where u can go jerk off or smth while the whole thing is being made. In fact mrdoob, go jerk off to a robot and fuck off 😇
it's like someone wrote you a hate letter and you decided to just hire someone more apt than you to write a response, I mean, it's low-effort, it could mean "I don't care what you think" but somehow, this could end up showing as not the kind of dig the prompter was looking for.
"Make a demo about it" is only worth something when you go and make a demo about it.
BWAHAHAHAH
I enjoyed this. Props for actually making a non-sucky demo about the drama, and for the excellent bait.
I enjoyed this. Props for actually making a non-sucky demo about the drama, and for the excellent bait.
well, flipping is not the right way. I really hate this
this is just a tribute
you gotta believe me
and i wish you were there
just a matter of opinion
you gotta believe me
and i wish you were there
just a matter of opinion
Ok, now after the trolling, what will be the future of AI in the demoscene? :)
More trolling AI demos? I mean, I don't even know how to classify it, like there is nothing to tell me, wow this is so masterful coding, or this is so better made than the previous one at this point :)
Maybe we'll just ignore and code our own way
More trolling AI demos? I mean, I don't even know how to classify it, like there is nothing to tell me, wow this is so masterful coding, or this is so better made than the previous one at this point :)
Maybe we'll just ignore and code our own way
well if this is slop i want more =)
Really nice trolling :)
I long for the good old times when people made fucktros.
King of slop!
Why keep people insisting he made this? He didn’t
as said: it's like paying someone to paint the picture for you
This slops. I mean slaps. Best demo I've seen this year.
I mean, it's no Ziraafh.
Are you guy thumbing up the ripped sountrack?
Maali and I were completely in sync about the legacy of trace
Maali and I were completely in sync about the legacy of trace
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This slops. I mean slaps. Best demo I've seen this year.
lol, now you're trolling hard thec.
Probably you haven't seen any other demos this year.
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Why keep people insisting he made this? He didn’t
If he hadn’t done anything, it wouldn’t be there; so, in principle, he “did” it. Although he did very much less than a normal programmer.
@mrdoob: Thanks for responding to my bbs-comment »Waiting for a demo called „Lol fuck AI“. ;o)«
@uncle-X: Since you responded with »Challenge potentially accepted« I'm looking forward to your demo called „Lol fuck AI“.
@uncle-X: Since you responded with »Challenge potentially accepted« I'm looking forward to your demo called „Lol fuck AI“.
en ces temps tumultueux, gardez l'esprit calme et le cœur pur
"Art should not be comforting; for comfort, we have mass entertainment and one another. Art should provoke, disturb, arouse our emotions, expand our sympathies in directions we may not anticipate and may not even wish." -Joyce Carol Oates.
v3nom, damn, busted :)
AI fuckin' sucks!!
posting in epic thread!
rules, because of reasons!
Ah, the good old days, when ASM coders would proclaim that compilers were naught but tools for the indolent. Some things, it seems, never change.
And a hearty tip of the hat to mr.doob, who maketh the internet a better place and rendereth our lives a more worthwhile endeavour. The internet would be a far poorer realm without thee. Heed not the mierders, and carry on thy splendid work!
I would that each scene were granted but half a second more, that one might read the sheer abundance of utterly bonkers information crammed therein. Verily, the AI debate hath grown even more dreadful than the ancient Mac vs. Windows feud.
And a hearty tip of the hat to mr.doob, who maketh the internet a better place and rendereth our lives a more worthwhile endeavour. The internet would be a far poorer realm without thee. Heed not the mierders, and carry on thy splendid work!
I would that each scene were granted but half a second more, that one might read the sheer abundance of utterly bonkers information crammed therein. Verily, the AI debate hath grown even more dreadful than the ancient Mac vs. Windows feud.
Nice prod, love the message!
The demoscene has always been about the freedom to do whatever the hell you want, and fuck anyone who doesn't like it. :)
The demoscene has always been about the freedom to do whatever the hell you want, and fuck anyone who doesn't like it. :)
like writing stupid statements like that!
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The demoscene has always been about the freedom to do whatever the hell you want, and fuck anyone who doesn't like it. :)
what kind of scene parallel world are you talking about? :P
Not the kind of stuff I want to see.
I find it odd how it both looks really generic and uninteresting, yet also looks better done than most demos from another standpoint. It's like a very nicely packaged empty shell.
I find it odd how it both looks really generic and uninteresting, yet also looks better done than most demos from another standpoint. It's like a very nicely packaged empty shell.
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i kinda find it ironic that this is probably the best demo that trace has ever made... looks like AI can indeed outdo talent. well prompted!
at the risk of taking a maali flamepost seriously, i think this prod is obviously shit and trace/mrdoob's old demoscene work is miles better. there's no soul here, no nothing, just... stuff with stuff.
if you can't tell this shit apart from something a somewhat skilled and tasteful human democoder would make then the problem is you, not AI. if this is what we can expect from vibecoded demos then there's nothing to worry about and all this ruckus is pointless. which, i guess, was mrdoob's point all along.
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was mrdoob's point all along.
you sure about that bruv?
well at least it looked finished for once
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Quote:was mrdoob's point all along.
you sure about that bruv?
no, i'm totally guessing. but there's two options:
1. mrdoob has AI psychosis and thinks this is good
2. mrdoob is tired of pouet'ers getting worked up about AI, and want to show what AI slop demos actually look like, ie how shit they are and how we should all stop getting so worked up over nothing.
my bet is on 2, but he's doing that Spanish "let the art speak for itself" thing so all i can do is guess.
I think you're too good for this world, I miss you a little fam…
I prompted this reply
dont feed the trolls ... maybe its time for a no a.i. pouet fork si i dont waste my time
Honestly the best part of the prod were all of the pouet pfps, idk why something about the pixelated graphics being mapped to 3d objects in high definition is really appealing to me. Part of it probably is the same part that likes this, and from the actual good design of the pouet pfps I never realized how well they use color!!
As for the actual demo, I did not like it, just way too bright way too flashy without much good design and just felt like a poor cope, which is probably the goal. I really liked that one of my comments showed up, and that it's me making fun of a prod for using grok? Like you didn't even want to commit hard enough to the bit to use grok, you used argon, not nazi enough 0/10.
As for the actual demo, I did not like it, just way too bright way too flashy without much good design and just felt like a poor cope, which is probably the goal. I really liked that one of my comments showed up, and that it's me making fun of a prod for using grok? Like you didn't even want to commit hard enough to the bit to use grok, you used argon, not nazi enough 0/10.
https://youtu.be/jIlUpXBrvnA?t=114 oops I lost internet while writing that comment, I meant to link that
(also to be clear about my comment, I didn't even like how they moved, I just liked the basic existence of cubes with 16x16 textures on them, that's how worthless the demo is that that's my favorite part)
So how do I tell this is actually prompted? It might be a double trolling attempt :)
i wonder how many more threads i need to residue and close and debate attempts i need to refuse in order to be featured in hommages like this
Obviously effort went into this, and it is not "vibecoded". I just wish the effort had gone to something more useful. I guess I am saying that I think the human went more wrong than the AI here, since my problems with this are more on the concept :-)
Just make beautiful stuff people. Whatever your definition of that.
@havoc I think I saw your name in there..
Just make beautiful stuff people. Whatever your definition of that.
@havoc I think I saw your name in there..
:(
This goes fucking hard: things evolve, time moves on and things that were once difficult become easy, art becomes commodity. Things will splinter and communities will change, whatever it is you enjoy, find it!
mr. poops opus magnum
Well, as this is released as an "official" Demo with some fuckings to certain persons that value handmade content over AI content.
No Problems to make stuff like this for internal usage etc. but releasing AI as an official demo, nah... SLOP IT Please
No Problems to make stuff like this for internal usage etc. but releasing AI as an official demo, nah... SLOP IT Please
Curious statistic that late night voters were much more favorable to this than the morning people
mrdoob, I lost all respect I had for years for you since you decided to release this demo. Please do better.
(I don't care if this demo was vibecoded, but things like this is why I don't want to contribute to the demoscene anymore)
every red sector demo maker output is better than this. quite a archievement!
I don't understand the psychology of all the AI pushers, they act the same trolly way. They say the same things. It might be AI psychosis. I am glad that the demoscene is a place of solace. I have been a bit depressed as out of bordom I sometimes scroll twitter. And I see a lot of accounts saying coding is over, if you code by hand you are unprofessional. I was very pissed with Tim Sweeney and I am still pissed and other people, more important and less important, and the thing is not that they use it, but they make claims like doing things 100% vibe coded and if you even read the code output it's unproductive. And everybody is signalling the same things. In the same way people used to say "Premature optimizing is the root of all evil" and it was a cliche things developers said, now the central mantra of the "professional developer" is "If you code by hand it's unproductive, unprofesional, and you should fully vibe code and even not read the output" and I am like what's going on? But everybody throws the same arguments like they are zombies, something about vibe coding is the next evolution in programming and why would you still want to use punched cards.
Maybe I am being trolled or maybe it's a mass psychosis where everyone is virtue signalling the same things. But I was at some nights depressed and couldn't sleep and seeing vibe coded projects even in retro communities I was questioning why am I even coding for a hobby? Like I was questioning to first get out of social media, then stop doing anything and get out of my house and fijnd a new hobby outside of technology. I do have to finish something demoscene related very soon, but it put me in this depression mode and didn't slept. It's not even AI but people showing their true colors in the tech industry.
Maybe I am being trolled or maybe it's a mass psychosis where everyone is virtue signalling the same things. But I was at some nights depressed and couldn't sleep and seeing vibe coded projects even in retro communities I was questioning why am I even coding for a hobby? Like I was questioning to first get out of social media, then stop doing anything and get out of my house and fijnd a new hobby outside of technology. I do have to finish something demoscene related very soon, but it put me in this depression mode and didn't slept. It's not even AI but people showing their true colors in the tech industry.
LOL!:D
@Optimus
I can follow you mostly. Well, blaming AI in general might miss the aim. I see this more from a philosophical Level.
What is art, if we miss complete the process of crafting, designing or doing things on our own, its not only code. Graphics, Music (Suno Bullshit) everything else. What are we, wenn we leave out the act of crafting, designing completely.
An example. We have in november the X-MAS Meeting as usual. Our coder had no time and i used ai to create a web invitro and added my own track (not ai generated) I would never "release" this on pouet, scene.org or put this into a competition where it not belongs and i feel general not much motivation, to put it somewhere else as in on FB etc and WhatsApp to invite people.
The point is, that some craftmanship is necessary to feel that something was done on my own.
Those AI Slop Guys here making jokes about the way, most of us want to be a part of the creating process is disgusting. Demoscene was always a open field of experiments and various arts. I even would accept it as a part of the scene but there is a problem. 1000 people creating AI Slop Art, attending at the end a demo party and the real artists will vanish.
AI might have a place to show art but it could only be a ranged, limited part in our demoscene and not a replacement where nothing counts anymore what human beeings do on their on, build, move together !
sorry if my english is not the yellow of the egg ;)
I can follow you mostly. Well, blaming AI in general might miss the aim. I see this more from a philosophical Level.
What is art, if we miss complete the process of crafting, designing or doing things on our own, its not only code. Graphics, Music (Suno Bullshit) everything else. What are we, wenn we leave out the act of crafting, designing completely.
An example. We have in november the X-MAS Meeting as usual. Our coder had no time and i used ai to create a web invitro and added my own track (not ai generated) I would never "release" this on pouet, scene.org or put this into a competition where it not belongs and i feel general not much motivation, to put it somewhere else as in on FB etc and WhatsApp to invite people.
The point is, that some craftmanship is necessary to feel that something was done on my own.
Those AI Slop Guys here making jokes about the way, most of us want to be a part of the creating process is disgusting. Demoscene was always a open field of experiments and various arts. I even would accept it as a part of the scene but there is a problem. 1000 people creating AI Slop Art, attending at the end a demo party and the real artists will vanish.
AI might have a place to show art but it could only be a ranged, limited part in our demoscene and not a replacement where nothing counts anymore what human beeings do on their on, build, move together !
sorry if my english is not the yellow of the egg ;)
The demoscene has always evolved alongside technology, adapting to major shifts — from Assembly to C, from 2D to 3D, and from Flash to WebGL. Each new tool has changed the way we create, opening up possibilities that once seemed out of reach.
AI is another step in that evolution. It can accelerate development, help explore complex ideas, and enable solo developers to experiment with concepts that might otherwise require an unrealistic amount of time or resources.
Of course, that doesn't mean AI is beyond criticism. Questions about originality, authorship, transparency, and the role of human creativity are legitimate and deserve thoughtful discussion.
But I believe we should judge a demo by its creativity, technical achievement, and the experience it delivers — not solely by the tools used to create it. How something is made matters, but it shouldn't automatically determine its value.
I'm glad we're debating AI. Let's make it a constructive debate, one that challenges assumptions and encourages responsible use, rather than rejecting the technology outright.
The demoscene has always been about pushing boundaries and exploring what's possible. If we stop embracing new ideas simply because they change the way we work, we risk losing the very spirit that made the scene what it is.
Otherwise, we might as well go back to living in caves!
AI is another step in that evolution. It can accelerate development, help explore complex ideas, and enable solo developers to experiment with concepts that might otherwise require an unrealistic amount of time or resources.
Of course, that doesn't mean AI is beyond criticism. Questions about originality, authorship, transparency, and the role of human creativity are legitimate and deserve thoughtful discussion.
But I believe we should judge a demo by its creativity, technical achievement, and the experience it delivers — not solely by the tools used to create it. How something is made matters, but it shouldn't automatically determine its value.
I'm glad we're debating AI. Let's make it a constructive debate, one that challenges assumptions and encourages responsible use, rather than rejecting the technology outright.
The demoscene has always been about pushing boundaries and exploring what's possible. If we stop embracing new ideas simply because they change the way we work, we risk losing the very spirit that made the scene what it is.
Otherwise, we might as well go back to living in caves!
Yay more sockpuppet accounts. And while I appreciate a good fucktro, this would be crap even if it wasn't also slop
A blank account defending a slopped prod with llm extruded text. How fitting.
@RedMer4cury:
We can't have a constructive debate, because we've been trying to have it for a few years now, and every so often, someone comes (like you) and repeats tired and longtime debunked tropes out of their "common sense" disregarding everything that came prior.
All you wrote is nonsense.
We can't have a constructive debate, because we've been trying to have it for a few years now, and every so often, someone comes (like you) and repeats tired and longtime debunked tropes out of their "common sense" disregarding everything that came prior.
All you wrote is nonsense.
the new vibecoded epic launcher in indeed 10 times faster than the old shitty client they had
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The demoscene has always evolved alongside technology, adapting to major shifts — from Assembly to C, from 2D to 3D, and from Flash to WebGL. Each new tool has changed the way we create, opening up possibilities that once seemed out of reach.
AI is another step in that evolution. It can accelerate development, help explore complex ideas, and enable solo developers to experiment with concepts that might otherwise require an unrealistic amount of time or resources.
Of course, that doesn't mean AI is beyond criticism. Questions about originality, authorship, transparency, and the role of human creativity are legitimate and deserve thoughtful discussion.
But I believe we should judge a demo by its creativity, technical achievement, and the experience it delivers — not solely by the tools used to create it. How something is made matters, but it shouldn't automatically determine its value.
I'm glad we're debating AI. Let's make it a constructive debate, one that challenges assumptions and encourages responsible use, rather than rejecting the technology outright.
The demoscene has always been about pushing boundaries and exploring what's possible. If we stop embracing new ideas simply because they change the way we work, we risk losing the very spirit that made the scene what it is.
Otherwise, we might as well go back to living in caves!
Are you kidding. If we accept unlimited AI Slop, we will lose the spirit. Its NOT creative ART ! its Prompting ART maybe. But really, i love to see content, people have done with a process called creative creation not a prompt. Creating fucking fake accounts won´t make the statement not better !
Dude you’re arguing with an llm…
@BoyC: well, it's mrdoob of course
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Damn, this is the 2nd time, i did here... an ai is defending itself whilst i discuss.... well, f**k
I was depressed many days ago about those "I mashed up Minecraft in Elden Ring" and "the revolution is coming, every game of your dreams with every game" and didn't even bother checking how they are done. Today I learned the deception, some kind of bridging of two games run at the same time and mashing up layers of front character to background in the second game. For short clips and clout. But it gave me the wrong impression, even if I am not in the modding scene, the influx of all these examples make me think AI is so good that you can one-shoot reverse engineer a modern game and inject code in the other game in a night of tokens spent. But it's not exactly like that and not as useful. That calmed me down a bit.
There is a lot of deception, even with these "but I one-shot things". At a moment I was in the bargain-accept stage, but more like "Ok but what's the point, I am just not gonna use it even if it becomes so good". But now I see the deception again, I am just not gonna give a fuck.
There is a lot of deception, even with these "but I one-shot things". At a moment I was in the bargain-accept stage, but more like "Ok but what's the point, I am just not gonna use it even if it becomes so good". But now I see the deception again, I am just not gonna give a fuck.
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Damn, this is the 2nd time, i did here... an ai is defending itself whilst i discuss.... well, f**k
It’s the emdashes man!! Dead giveaway. Also the rule of three for everything.
One thing this prod shows is that we are all a bunch of bitches for drama hahaha
No idea how much "direction" actually went into this but I'm excited how you can deliberately create something that's so awesome, yet make everyone hate it.
Well, he stole the music. (Also, haven’t watched it, never will)
Thumb for wrapping houndreds of pouet drama posts and bitching into an actually enjoyable format and also sparking a revival of the demoscene fuckings era :D
What gopher said.
And in the end, for this kind of prods, the typical organizational format of:
art direction + coding (demo code + tools) + making graphics + composing
just became:
art direction (without feedback from the missing others)
-> which can filter the enjoyable stuff from the boring stuff. But that's it.
And in the end, for this kind of prods, the typical organizational format of:
art direction + coding (demo code + tools) + making graphics + composing
just became:
art direction (without feedback from the missing others)
-> which can filter the enjoyable stuff from the boring stuff. But that's it.
This is the best prod you ever created. By far. And yet, it's shit.
I like it.
Nothing wrong with stirring up things once in a while.
At least it was sending out love instead of fckings :-)
Nothing wrong with stirring up things once in a while.
At least it was sending out love instead of fckings :-)
glöp
I'd like to give it at least a piggie, in protest of all the FU's and double racist comments like
But as i think AI will kill the demoscene if it is allowed to, like all the nice niche underground things in history when a big mover was let in did, and this time i think it is vastly bigger, i'll give a thumb down.
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but that will be sympathy for the "prompter".there’s nothing more cool than a ~50 year old white dude
But as i think AI will kill the demoscene if it is allowed to, like all the nice niche underground things in history when a big mover was let in did, and this time i think it is vastly bigger, i'll give a thumb down.
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No it won't. There are too many people in the scene that love making art with their own hands. AI will be there every now and then, but it cannot take over the whole demoscene.
Well, a bunch of loud mouth AI idiots can definitely suck the fun out of a place.
Welp, at least it's self aware lol, programing and mathematics in general are now fucked up
the worst part is its getting more attention than any other ... man, i can NOT believe i didnt just get suckered into reacting to a.i.-infected sh-t but i actually gave my very first thumbs down to it ...
i need to sue someone for mental damage because this thing took my virginity ...
im still in favour of splitting it up ... even if its on the same sites ... sadly im not on the board here , give them a sandbox for toddling and let montmartre exclusive to the appreciators and connoisseurs of the fine arts
and now i reacted twice to it ... maybe i should really diss this place for a while, i fear it might leave spores in my brain
i need to sue someone for mental damage because this thing took my virginity ...
im still in favour of splitting it up ... even if its on the same sites ... sadly im not on the board here , give them a sandbox for toddling and let montmartre exclusive to the appreciators and connoisseurs of the fine arts
and now i reacted twice to it ... maybe i should really diss this place for a while, i fear it might leave spores in my brain
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No it won't. There are too many people in the scene that love making art with their own hands. AI will be there every now and then, but it cannot take over the whole demoscene.
Well, then you can't let it "a bit in" but everything has to be non-AI. Too many won't listen and staying in the top means going at least somewhat AI. Tools to spot AI will compete with AI and guess who wins.
If there are morally high ground scene people then of course a strange but cool niche can survive, but who are they? Can there be a serpent amongst them to again bring chaos (not talking about me, i am totally against AI in demoscene use)
No hagáis caso a los críticos ciegos de envidia!, enhorabuena y gracias por esta gran obra de arte DEMOSCENER que en poco tiempo será reconocida como una producción de vanguardia. Y bravo por el guiño amiguero. Un abrazo desde Posadas vuestra tierra AMIGA.
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I'd like to give it at least a piggie, in protest of all the FU's and double racist comments likeQuote:there’s nothing more cool than a ~50 year old white dude
Again what ai datacenters do is that they're placed in minority low income areas in the American south and pollute the air and noise, not to mention all of the underpaid indians, africans(as in lives in africa), and venezuelans who actually did all the work in training the models, some of which had to look at extremely awful images to make sure to insulate the wittle hwite people from the consequences of their actions because that might decrease our user retention!!
There's a reason why people are so up in arms about this stuff, why this is so different than "mp3 music in demos" or "not using assembly" and why it's considered "nazi technology". You can solve some problems by using a local model, but these people don't even want to do that. Also, if this was truly about "people hating new technology not wanting to moving forward", why is it all the 50 year olds who love it and use it while most of the "hate" comes from folks far younger?
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If there are morally high ground scene people then of course a strange but cool niche can survive, but who are they?
I find it weird that some of y’all are talking about it as if it was some future scenario we aren’t already dealing with. Compo and Party Orgas such as myself and my colleagues have zero desire to invest weeks and months putting human work into making demoparties happen just to facilitate entries such as this one. Slop isn’t happening at compos I run, and I know it’s not happening at my friend’s Compos either.
If you really care about the scene being focussed on human achievement, support parties and compos that are trying their best to keep the spirit alive.
@Jena nonsense racist gobbledygook. I am aware of the energy usage of AI, and of course it is too much, in fact many centers are being built here in Finland, which could result power cuts for normal people in the middle of winter, which can be up to -50C in theory.
However, if you want to move forward in tech, in order to make an omelette you have to break few eggs, going downwards in tech is not anymore possible. Willingly, at lleast.
However, if you want to move forward in tech, in order to make an omelette you have to break few eggs, going downwards in tech is not anymore possible. Willingly, at lleast.
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Quite enjoyable, ackshually, even if a bit long-ish to my taste.