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• first name: Chris
• last name: Wood
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• demozoo: profile
• cdcs:
• cdc #1: hplus by Halcyon
• cdc #2: The nonstop Ibiza experience by orange
• cdc #3: INCYBER by Satori [web] & Aural Planet [web]
• cdc #4: Extatique by adinpsz [web]
• cdc #5: fr-074: 02:20 by Farbrausch [web]
• cdc #6: We Are All Connected by Fairlight [web] & Prosonix & Offence [web]

• 4k Windows Lunaquatic by BluFlame [web]
• Great. I don't get the ending at all though - there's an explosion and the sea becomes mud?
• rulezadded on the 2009-08-03 13:43:32
• 4k procedural graphics Windows salvation by Still [web]
• Hmm.. amazing graphics, bad 4k intro on account of the framerate.. I'll judge it as graphics :)
• rulezadded on the 2009-08-03 13:42:45
• 1k Windows glutamat by Alcatraz [web]
• Pretty much awesome for 1kb.
• rulezadded on the 2009-08-03 13:40:50
• demo Windows Chameleon by Andromeda Software Development [web]
• Great stuff, really enjoyed it. Only major criticism: the vocals sounded like they were recorded from the built-in mic of a cheap laptop.
  
  Oh, just read amusic's post above.. improved tune fixes it :D
• rulezadded on the 2009-08-03 13:36:31
• invitation Windows Syntax Party 2009 invite by Disaster Area [web]
• Great fun!
  
• rulezadded on the 2009-08-03 13:33:57
• demo Windows High Today by Titan [web]
• Pretty cool music, but way too much flashing + a bit too chaotic. Pig for now.
• isokadded on the 2009-08-03 13:33:41
• 128b MS-Dos eigending by Never [web]
• Yeah, cool.
• rulezadded on the 2009-08-03 10:35:42
• 4k procedural graphics Windows Smoking Kills by Loonies [web]
• Yep, nothing like a good epic argument in the comments :D
  
  
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  But what you're saying is that even though the majority of people (the biggest fucking niche you can imagine) really wanted smoke-free pubs to go to, not one business-minded individual realised it! Not one! No one stopped to think, "oh hey, there are millions of pub-goers out there desperate for someone to provide them with a smoke-free pub - if I open a chain of smoke-free pubs I'll make billions! Yay!" Not one person had this idea which, according to what you're saying, is probably the best idea ever, and certainly a very obvious one.

  
  
  ...probably because, as a business, it wouldn't have worked out. All the smokers would go elsewhere for a start, that's 25% or whatever of the customers gone. Next, all the groups of people containing some smokers would probably end up in the smoking pubs. That's probably another 70%. You'd be left with couples, families and small groups, the atmosphere would be gone.. it's looking like a failed business already. Note that there were plenty of 'family' type pubs that were either no-smoking or had a separate smoking area, that were pretty successful. But for a good drinking pub, I doubt it would work except in big cities where there's enough people.
  
  
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  Moreover, if what you say were true, then the smoking ban means pubs are now catering to a larger group than they were before. So profit should be up, not down. Well guess what, it's down, way down. Pubs are struggling, closing down, people are losing their jobs or finding themselves in huge amounts of debt because the businesses they invested their lives in are suddenly no longer profitable. But at least you're happy and that's what counts. :/

  
  
  Some perhaps, others seem to be more profitable now. Pubs have been in decline for a long time anyway :(
  
  
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  There's a further implication that I'm sure has already crossed your mind: if what you say about the demand for smoke-free pubs is true, then the smoking ban is no longer necessary. You see, now that pubs have realised they're catering to a much larger number of customers than before, why would most of them not keep the no-smoking policy even if the ban were lifted?

  
  
  I'm sure a lot would.
  
  
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  You can't blame McDonalds for serving junk food if nobody ever wants the salad.

  
  
  I heard the salad was as unhealthy as the burgers there ;) I don't get the point though - I go to mcdonalds to eat crap, i go to the pub to drink crap. I don't want to smoke in either.
  
  
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  So... you're saying you passed on the opportunity to work out your differences in a polite and friendly manner, out of "respect", but you feel justified in supporting a law that sorts it all out for you with threats of fines and criminal prosecution. And you really don't see an inconsistency there? Where did the "respect" go? Where did "their choice" go?

  
  
  I'm not going to make anyone stop smoking, that's what I mean by 'respect' - I respect their choice, and expect them to respect mine. Nobody is threatened with anything if they smoke - only if they smoke where it could harm other people who don't want to smoke. I.e. it's stopping smokers from forcing non-smokers to smoke. It's giving some choice back, not taking it away.
  
  
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  D'oh. You have no more right to demand entry into a private establishment than I have a right to demand entry into your home. There are laws to prevent discrimination specifically based on race and such, but there is no law that says you can demand that a business accepts you as a customer.
  Your right not to smoke is guaranteed by your freedom not to go into places where there is smoking going on.

  
  
  Huh? Pub = public house, the whole point of a pub is to welcome everyone in and serve them food and drink. If they're going to allow only certain people in, it's a club.
  
  
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  And before you start whining about "your friends" again, no, you don't have a right to be around your friends, either. In fact if you need to argue that it's your right to be around your friends, then you have a pretty fucked-up friendship going on there. Friends work things out. If you can't find a way to be around each other that you can all agree to, then you're not friends.

  
  
  Huh? What is there to work out? I don't mind if they smoke, they're happy to not smoke around me. If the pub is full of smoke already, it makes no difference to anyone if or where they smoke, and there's no issue between me and my friends. Now, they go outside to smoke, and come back when they're done, everyone is happy.
  
  
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  Solution: Talk to your friends instead of letting the law talk for you. I know, your solution is simpler. But mine is better.

  
  
  It would be better, if it wasn't pointless :) Even if they all stopped smoking, we'd still be sitting in a smoky pub.
  
  
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  The difference in risk is actually not that obvious. Ear damage is pretty much guaranteed with continued exposure to loud music, whereas the dangers of secondhand smoke are seen as slight statistical tendencies. Whether you breathe secondhand-smoke constantly or not, you're very unlikely to get lung cancer. Not saying the difference in risk is insignificant, of course, but it's meaningless without some perspective. Just the fact that you guys keep bringing up cancer shows your perspective is way off, since cancer is not the main danger associated with tobacco (that would be heart disease).

  
  
  I know the risk is pretty low. But I don't see why I should live with that risk without any actual benefit. There's a risk from drinking beer too, but at least I enjoy that. And I don't drink a lot, so the risk is pretty minimal too.
  
  The risk to one person is the wrong way to look at it anyway, across the whole country a lot of people are going to die a long and horrible death. That's a bad thing.
  
  
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  Maybe you'd care if mentioned ethanol is known to cause cancer? Or is that too much perspective for you.

  
  
  No, that's something I'm aware of, and it's a risk I'm taking. Everything in life has a risk attached, so I accept the ones that give me benefit or pleasure, and avoid the ones that don't.
  
  
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  "But I want to be with my friends and my friends don't respect me enough to go to a smoke-free place with me and I'm really too afraid to tell them how I feel about their smoking and boohoohoo". Is it any wonder that your friends don't respect you a whole lot if that's your attitude? Be a man! Tell them the smoke bothers you - unless they're complete bastards then they'll respect that. Really.

  
  
  ..? Do what? Tell my friends "right! we're not going to the pub anymore!"? Or tell them all to quit smoking? I'm not going to tell them how to run their lives, or I'd be the complete bastard. I'm not going to stop going to the pub either, as annoying as the smoke is, having a good laugh and a few beers with friends makes it worth it.
  
  If I tell them the smoke bothers me - well, I have done before now, but so what? What can we do about it? Nothing - if they stop smoking the pub is still full of smoke, and it's not like there used to be a good smoke-free pub. See? There wasn't a choice there - it was go, and live with the smoke, or stay at home. It's not like I could stand outside in the fresh air, and just go in when I've finished not-smoking. But the smokers among them can go outside and come back a minute or two later if the pub isn't full of smoke. Considering there's only a couple of them that smoke, that makes a whole lot more sense.
  
  
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  Eh. Sorry for the rant. At least this prod will have the tallest comment page ever. ;P

  
  
  Nothing better than a good ranty argument. Especially when work is super boring like now ;)
• isokadded on the 2009-07-31 16:50:23
• 4k procedural graphics Windows Smoking Kills by Loonies [web]
• rtype: "niche" requirements? weak demand? wtf are you on about - non-smokers are the majority by a long way, at least in this country. The fact that all pubs are now smoke-free suggests that there's actually huge demand, or these laws wouldn't have happened.
  
  And yeah, before i had a choice. In theory. I could have told my friends to fuck off (which i would do, if they weren't friends, but they are). I could have not gone to the pub, but I like to go out and have a few beers and a laugh with my friends. I could have told them to stop smoking, but I wouldn't do that because it's their choice to do so and I respect that. Better still, they could have respected my choice to not smoke, and smoked outside where it causes zero issue - but when the pub is already full of smoke, there's no point.
  
  Basically, I think the vast majority agreed on this:
  - You have a right to smoke
  - I have a right to not smoke, and shouldn't be forced to breath in your smoke after you've smoked it too
  - We both have a right to visit the pub
  
  Solution: the smokers smoke outside or in a separate place, everyone drinks beer and has a laugh inside. I don't get why people have any problem with that.
• isokadded on the 2009-07-31 12:29:34
• 4k procedural graphics Windows Smoking Kills by Loonies [web]
• doom: look, it's simple. Before the smoking ban, the majority (non-smokers, at least in this country) had a choice when going to a pub: go to a smoking place, or stay at home. There were pretty much zero non-smoking pubs. Why? because if you set up a non-smoking pub, smokers go elsewhere, and for any group of people going out there's most often one or more smokers. You can rant as long as you want, but the reality was that there really wasn't any choice.
  
  And as for all the other bullshit arguments about loud music is annoying, or whatever else: yeah, I agree. But loud music will only damage my hearing a little, and I can wear ear plugs. Wearing a gas mask isn't so practical, and risking a horrible death from cancer is perhaps just a bit more serious than risking some ear damage.
  
  Hence why smoking in such places is now banned :) You're still free to smoke, you're just not allowed to do it where it's harming + annoying lots of people. A bit inconvenient for you when the weather is bad perhaps, but you're no longer risking other people's health and making their clothes and hair stink. Surely a win?
• isokadded on the 2009-07-30 15:10:55