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Sceners in Arab countries?

category: offtopic [glöplog]
I think it also to do with the culture of european expressionistic art, coming from the 19th and early 20th century, which the demoscene is influenced by. Dali, van Gogh, Picasso. Maybe the demoscene art is also an evolutionary process of that old european culture of art.
added on the 2012-09-26 11:07:16 by Salinga Salinga
Gloom: just to make it clear, I never said nor meant to say "Arabs don't see the point". I also agree with you that saying something like that is very idiotic and prejudice.
I'm saying something similar to what marmakoide does: basically, there are cultures (such as American, China, Israeli and Arabian) where focus is given to productivity (money wise) over recreational activity.

marmakoide: pushing students for a demoscene involvement is an interesting idea.
added on the 2012-09-26 11:46:18 by TLM TLM
Salinga: the demoscene is most definitely, as a whole, NOT influenced by classic painters and artists, but rather pop-cultural copies and references of them in the 80s and 90s.

Trying to make us bigger and more important than we really are is clearly self-delusion and should stop right now.

TLM: introducing students to the demoscene has been done for 20 years with any real tangible results. The scene is like any hobby -- a certain number of criteria must be met in order for it to "click" for someone and get into it. This is the same as it ever was, except now the world is filled with demoscene-like stuff that's way easier to get started with, and hence demoscene "recruitment" is at an all-time low.

There is no magic trick to getting people interested in the scene, it's just a simple numbers-game.
added on the 2012-09-26 11:57:47 by gloom gloom
just attach a price-tag to your prods and they will be copied and spread all over the world ;D
added on the 2012-09-26 11:59:11 by wysiwtf wysiwtf
TLM: nope you are pretty much wrong, there are so many activities which they have nothing to do with "focus is given to productivity (money wise)" and yes demoscene or art is not considered part of it due the difference in cultures.
added on the 2012-09-26 12:01:39 by panic panic
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I think it also to do with the culture of european expressionistic art, coming from the 19th and early 20th century, which the demoscene is influenced by. Dali, van Gogh, Picasso. Maybe the demoscene art is also an evolutionary process of that old european culture of art.

sorry. what? LOL!
added on the 2012-09-26 12:01:45 by havamal havamal
if you fix the "i wanna do something demoscene'ish but i dont wanna do it alone" thing in those countries, they could very well establish a local scene. And, having two random fucking talented Arabs collaborating with some random outreaching Norwegians and a few beer drinking Belgians does not help establishing a local scene. So then there isn't one. ;)
added on the 2012-09-26 12:08:30 by havamal havamal
@TLM Well, I did not ask my students "okay, make me a demo" ^^ They have to work on a year long project. It's often things like "code a forum in PHP" or "or program that textbook subject X on architecture Y". I just choose topics with a potential for artistic output : a sequencer coupled to a softsynth, a framework to code & compile raymarched scenes, procedural content generation, etc. I develop my own version in parallel of their, and taunt them "hey, look, in 64 ko it does more than your 16Mo, maybe you can do better ?". I try to make my own version look sleek, to give them a goal and some emulation. I show them related demos for the same purpose. In my wildest dream I wish they would push up to demoable-level. But not quite there yet :D
Maali has leading: the lack of necessity for a geographical context to make demos has completely killed the concept of "A Norwegian demogroup", since everyone works with everyone.
added on the 2012-09-26 13:16:57 by gloom gloom
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I think it also to do with the culture of european expressionistic art, coming from the 19th and early 20th century, which the demoscene is influenced by. Dali, van Gogh, Picasso. Maybe the demoscene art is also an evolutionary process of that old european culture of art.


The demoscene was literally influenced by the tackiest of tacky shit from the 80s and 90s (Boris Valejo, Airbrushed tits Italo Disco, Eurodance)
added on the 2012-09-26 13:26:50 by okkie okkie
i feel mostly influenced by Warhol and Duchamp
added on the 2012-09-26 14:19:49 by havamal havamal
My main inspiration is Skrillex. He truly changed rock and roll 4 ever.
added on the 2012-09-26 14:22:15 by gloom gloom
Just so we don't forget

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added on the 2012-09-26 14:28:30 by Steel Steel
and gloom, no.. you topsy turvy it. the problem with it is that they NEED a LOCAL geographical context to actually HAVE a local scene. which, as you point out, is kind of deminishing from the scene generally and turning into globalized art orgies thanks to modernday intarwebs and a shrinking talent pool to fish from ;)
added on the 2012-09-26 14:30:40 by havamal havamal
Maali: exactly. :) Why work with the idiot next door just so you can have a "Norwegian" group when you can work with the genius from Australia and make a far better prod? This isn't negative, this is positive. :)

There is no "Norwegian scene" or "Austrian scene" or "Arab scene", it's just "the scene", with various people living in various countries.
added on the 2012-09-26 14:40:12 by gloom gloom
still. this IS a hurdle for newcomers, whose obvious first step is to look around in their own backyard.. again cos of the 'i dont wanna do this stuff alone'-thing and well as the word "scene" implies.
added on the 2012-09-26 14:43:10 by havamal havamal
gloom: language barrier.
added on the 2012-09-26 14:49:13 by Gargaj Gargaj
Maali: I disagree. In a world where people discover everything online (TV shows, music, movies, books, hobbies etc.) I don't agree that something local is (possible) newcomers first contact with the scene. Discoverability for demos is clearly higher online than at your local school, library or media club.

Gargaj: that too.
added on the 2012-09-26 15:05:45 by gloom gloom
im not talking about the first contact part.. im talking about the step after discovery and actually being assed to perhaps do a thing or two in that area. And just walking around at an European demoparty as a talented Arab doesnt guarantee a Norwegian demogroup would ask me to do shit :P
added on the 2012-09-26 15:42:14 by havamal havamal
Maali, Gloom: personally I don't feel the "global" aspects of the scene as you describe it, I have often felt that I would probably be more active if I had more guys around me to push each other around...
However, keep in mind that I'm just playing "what if" here
added on the 2012-09-26 16:01:50 by TLM TLM
TLM: _that_. the "global" aspects you can see in e.g. FLT as a very good example of that, but agreed, doesnt apply for everyone
added on the 2012-09-26 16:37:40 by havamal havamal
Maali: sorry, then I misunderstood you. And yes, clearly being able to actually meet people is the glue of the scene -- hence: parties.
added on the 2012-09-26 17:09:25 by gloom gloom
I apologies (again) for the spelling/grammar mistakes - as I said before - I'm dyslectic.
I do, however, always interested in getting better, so feedback is always welcomed.
added on the 2012-09-26 17:09:41 by TLM TLM
i lost the track of this thread <_>'
added on the 2012-09-26 22:35:45 by panic panic
well, do you know any sceners in arab countries?
added on the 2012-09-26 22:39:33 by Gargaj Gargaj

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