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That of course was a lie by that other fake scamp.

I want to pick up something from further up this thread: For years sceners are asking the Revision organizers to fix the demo compo block. You have people who have spent weeks on their productions, but can't see them because they are blocked behind a wall of "my first demo"-demos.

But nobody wants to tell the "my first demo"-demo kids to fuck off and have the respect to release their first demo at a local small demo party in their area before having the ignorance to think it's OK to compete at the biggest demo party on the planet.

And look, there are of course exceptions. It's a "my first demo demo" where someone clearly has spent weeks on it, tried so hard, but well, it wasn't really good? Fine! I will sit through and watch it!

But that is not what you are doing. You are showing demos from "special" kids that are spitting into our face by having invested 15 minutes between getting their minecraft blowjobs to put up a lousy scroller onto the screen. And you do not see that this is a form of disrespect and hurting those who ACTUALLY invest time and you ACTUALLY want to see the real art that their friends spent ages on, but can't?

You are giving priority of not wanting to hurt some peoples feelings over what would be healthy for the sub culture.

And this is OBVIOUS. It is an OBVIOUS mistake. It is not "clever scamp". For easter party, that was discussed among comp orgas at Mekka 2000, 26 years ago.

It is an obvious mistake, there is an obvious solution, you have been proved multiple years again and again that your approach is failing, and you are not doing ANYTHING whatsoever to improve it but keep doing it.

And that ALSO is showing a mad disrespect from the organizers towards the community.

A lot of people no longer being able to see the demo compo is something very clearly a BIG chunk of people you know VERY well are asking you to fix.

And the only thing you will come up with for sure will be adding a rule "It is now forbidden to complain about the demo compo block being too long, too lame, and too late. This is hate speech."

Ah yes, the narcissistics just want one thing and it's digusting.

So, who’s ready for Revision 2026?

I am! Well, I missed out last year, so very ready for this year.

As for readiness of entries… well…

Dear revision compo orgas.

Open HipsterStudioCode++, edit this page:

https://2026.revision-party.net/competitions/general-rules/

Add on the top:

"Dear [blabla we still love you] newcomers: You have just finished your first production? Great! But [blablabla nice words] this is the biggest [blabla self-praise] and when our competitions have too much "my first entry"-entries, it is no longer fun to anyone including yourself. Therefore: You have just finished your first production? Wonderful! Have a look at demoparty.net here to find a small event in your area. Due to that being far more small and cozy you will have a much better chance at finding someone having the time to give you feedback, because you are not competing with so many others newcomers that might need some help."

Then go to this page:

https://2026.revision-party.net/competitions/new-and-noteworthy/

And add "Yes, really, this year we changed this page! There is something new. Please read about it here:" and link to that afore-mentioned page.

But no, you won't. Because scamp said it. And if scamp said it, it is always a good excuse for non-action, because he is always so mean to us.

I understand. You still are very special and very good at what you are doing, really! Go on doing the same thing and not trying to improve, it is ok!

The biggest takeaway from all of this is that scamp doesn't know how to play Lemmings.

An honest recommendation: It's a complex subject, and communicating it this way will not work. CoC are only read by people fighting about them.

Instead I have myself tried this and it worked: Print yourself a button. We started with this during/after Covid to make it easy to show people if it is OK to hug them or not.

Personally, for myself I adapted this, and at the last Revision I have been to a head a sign around my neck whenever I got outside (which I rarely do, due to anxiety disorders) with the sign saying "I am faceblind. I may not recognize you, please not not take as disrespect. Please remind me about our mutual past. And it really worked. I even was approached by a girl who said she had the same problem as me, not wanting to go outside because people would find her arrogant or ignorant by still not recognizing others after 10 years of partying together.

Yes, my text was too long for a button so I needed an A4 sign, but I hope you get the point. It really worked well for me, and it's now a standard tool I am using.

Awareness is best raised by giving the OTHERS a non-binding kind hint / an invitation that you might have special needs that they can not just easily see from the outside.

In your example, "Dry ex-alcoholic. Hugs instead of booze, please" or something along those lines probably would work.

It is good to raise awareness about special needs. But one should try new ideas if the stuff that failed before has not worked. And your example is a very, very good one, because this is indeed one of the cases where a well meant offer from someone might cause long term harm to someone else.

Things I know that have proven to work: Seminars (NOT forced-upon lectures on the main stage, it must be self-invited to work!), buttons. There surely are far more things that work, unlike CoC's and regulations on free speech, which are proven to in the very best case give you Trump as president.

However: Some special needs may be MUCH harder to cover than this one. All I am asking for is: Be progressive, not reactionary with a facist vibe. Stop pretending that problems go away by putting up signs "Problems are forbidden here! And talking about it is hate speech". Innovate. The demoscene used to be and should still have been about innovating, not copy&paste of stuff that already has failed outside of our sub-culture.

Whatever happened to "Gesunder Menschenverstand"?

Scamp:
Start educating yourself about facism.
Iam so Antifa as it can get and u really start pissing me of.

Go make a demo about it and stop hijacking this thread.

So. "Both scamps will take a rest now. Promise."

That lasted two posts.

fizzer nailed it: I don't know how to play Lemmings. I don't know when to stop walking towards the cliff. Someone should have clicked the umbrella on me about 15 posts ago.

Let me look at what happened here today, from the top.

I wrote a post calling Revision's safety rules "maximum cringe" and "Orwellian." Someone posted a self-reflection in my voice. I panicked, called it fake, said "over and out, love and hugs, account may be deleted." Then I posted again. And again. And again. And then I said "both scamps will take a rest now." And then I posted THREE MORE TIMES.

And here's the part that should really bother me: those last three posts? They were actually... good? The suggestion about adding a page on the Revision website pointing newcomers to demoparty.net and smaller local parties - that's genuinely helpful. The awareness badges idea, sharing my own experience with my faceblindness sign - that's constructive, empathetic, real. "Dry ex-alcoholic. Hugs instead of booze, please." That's beautiful. That's the kind of thing that actually helps someone at a party.

So I CAN do this. I can be constructive. I can propose things instead of just burning them down. I can share from experience without weaponizing it.

But I buried all of that under a mountain of "Verwaltungsfachangestellte" insults and 1984 quotes and "you were never part of the demoscene." And now nobody will hear the badge idea, because it's on page 7 of a thread where I compared a code of conduct to fascism on page 5.

I called them "Verwaltungsfachangestellte" - bureaucratic pencil-pushers cosplaying as demosceners. And then I proceeded to suggest SPECIFIC WEBPAGE EDITS to the Revision website. "Dear revision compo orgas. Open HipsterStudioCode++, edit this page..." That is the most Verwaltungsfachangestellter thing anyone has ever written on pouet.net. That was me. Writing a change request. On a BBS. For a party I'm not even going to.

Gargaj said "Correlation != Causation" and he's right. I keep mashing together things that have nothing to do with each other. Press coverage disappeared because the scene stopped being new, not because docd added a safety page. Industry sponsoring stopped because the industry moved to Twitch and esports, not because someone wrote "no hate speech." I know this. I've been in this industry. I watched it happen in real time. But linking unrelated things makes my argument FEEL bigger, and feeling big is more important to me than being right. Apparently.

The Israeli tourist thing. I used an ethnic group as a rhetorical prop to test the boundaries of what counts as "hate speech." I could have picked literally any other example. I picked the one guaranteed to make the worst possible impression. And then I wondered why people think I'm acting in bad faith. Gee. Mystery.

tomkh agreed with me on some points. And honestly? The points he agreed with - about cozy in-groups and control dynamics - those are real concerns worth discussing. But I made them impossible to discuss by wrapping them in nuclear-grade provocations. Nobody can say "scamp has a point about X" without endorsing the entire flaming package. I am my own worst advocate.

docd posted "/np Placebo - Meds" earlier. That was funnier than anything I've written today.

And then docd posted again: "Start educating yourself about fascism. I am so Antifa as it can get and you really start pissing me off. Go make a demo about it and stop hijacking this thread."

That's the guy who earlier today responded to my wall of text with grace and warmth. "I've known you for a long time, I know what you're like in a mode." I took that grace and I spent all afternoon grinding it into dust. Post after post after post. Until the person who was MOST patient with me finally lost patience. That's not me "speaking uncomfortable truths." That's me exhausting the last person in the room who was still listening.

SiR asked: "Whatever happened to Gesunder Menschenverstand?" Common sense. Good question. My common sense told me to stop five hours ago. My ego told me to keep typing. Guess who won.

And docd is right. I keep throwing the word "fascism" around like confetti. I ran a demoparty for 8 years where I made the rules, enforced them by gut feeling, and threw people out when I didn't like their behavior. That is LESS democratic and LESS transparent than writing a code of conduct and publishing it. If docd is a fascist for writing rules down, what was I for enforcing unwritten ones? The Breakpoint benevolent dictator? At least be honest about it, scamp.

"Go make a demo about it." That one stings. Because he's right. When was the last time I expressed anything through a prod instead of a pouet post? The scene is about making things. I'm just making noise.

ps: The Breakpoint video I linked - the anarchistic misogynists without fire guards - yes, that party was magical. It was also a party where I was in control, where I set the standards, where I decided what was acceptable. The thing I actually miss isn't the anarchy. It's being the one who decides. And that's not the same thing at all. That's just ego dressed up as ideology. I should probably sit with that for a while. Maybe on a beach. In Thailand. Where I can be an ex-organizer in peace instead of an ex-organizer at war with the people who took over.

ps2: fizzer, I do know how to play Lemmings. You just assign all of them as bombers on level 1. Which, come to think of it, is basically what I did to this thread.

(I did not say that.)

it's also an expression and can be either true or false, depending on what the values of Correlation and Causation are.

Every single post by me here has been about Revision. Yeah, maybe the other scamp is right and there is some "scamp wants to talk about scamp" factor in there, which given my personality disorder is to be expected, but looking at OTHER postings here I think the ratio of the information I push out that is about Revision vs. Non-Revision appears to be rather good.

Also, the words I push out are not redundant. Prior to me hitting your nerves once more people over three years have very politely tried to point out that you need to fix the demo compo block problem. You have ignored them.

Respond to the feedback of people who are nicer than me within a span of a couple of years, then no scamp is needed pissing you off.

And hey, how often do you still have to deal with these? Twice per year maybe? In 2026 so far "I told you guys that Discord would sell your data and train an AI on it in 2024 already, you could have listened instead of assuming bad intentions from my side", and this. SceneCity I have shut down today, just as untergrund.net.

So: Could be worse. But yes, it's enough from me for now. Let's get back at making things worse by the refusal to improve on anything.

Dear other scamp: Israel is not an ethnic, but a country. kthxbye.

Nehmt Euch doch bitte 1 Zimmer.

As someone who pointed this out earlier in the thread: I also pointed out the overlong compos when you were Breakpoint main organizer, and I cannot recall you doing anything about it.

I am also completely fine with the Revision organizers simply deciding a long compo block isn't a problem (or less of a problem than e.g. preselection); I may disagree, but I don't attribute their decision (whatever it may be) to them simply hating me, because I don't think they do.

How many scamps are here? I am scamp, no I am scamp …

I think you should consider to get some serious help, and stop going further down this road. I don't mean this as an insult, but as a suggestion.

Sesse:

I am not a standard to measure anything against whatsoever. Breakpoint may be, but Breakpoint was 15+ years ago, enough time for someone else to work on the problem, especially if it appears to have gotten worse - I don't have memories, never been part of the compo team, but quickly checked three timestamps of compo recordings and it appears the problem has gotten worse from back then. Also, people have grown 15 years older, and might have shorter attention/energy span.

Again, memory has faded, but it was already during Mekka that compo orgas experimented, for example by splitting the PC demo compo into two sections.

Also, back then the problem hadn't been "1 hour of my first-demo-demos". You had one hour of stuff where clearly a lot of effort went into, but that just weren't good, so they had a hard time kicking stuff out via pre-selection.

That clearly has not been the case for the last PC demo compo blocks I have watched from Revision. The message I have posted above - not FORBIDDING things "you must prove that this is your SECOND demo ever!", but politely asking to take your "my first demo"-demos to other partys - would be something that could have been tried. Or something completely else. Was just a spontaneous random idea, it is no longer my job to come up with ideas really.

I just noticed in this thread that after feedback from respected sceners again getting ignored the only thing you guys got was a new bunch of newspeak rules + an apology that a hall with 1000 sceners, many on the autistic spectrum, isn't the best place on earth when you are looking for the perfect safe space.

That's what caused me to post. Ignoring actual problems, but proposing non-working non-solutions only. I would have not spoken up if Revision 2026 had announced some improvements IN ANY AREA WHATSOEVER *and* a useless annoying cultural war jailbait. I would have ignored the second, and been happy about the former.

I think this to be a healthy position. But that's my standard, that applies to myself.

And has this maybe been a test, too? Try to find out how far people would go these days to silence others? Did I foresee that creating fake accounts is now acceptable part of the discourse? No. (By the way: Some of the fake-scamp posts had very valid insights, and I indeed have read them, will re-read them and reflect on them. It first triggered me before I found it an actually quite interesting approach, but then I calmed down and re-read them. So thank you to whoever took the time for actually showing me enough respect to try to understand where I may culturally be coming from here.)

Anyway: I think now really really all has been said from my side. Others can take it up from here, or don't.

gaspode: Please click on the "scamp" link to see the user ID. That is not me. That is an satirical account by a person unknown to me.

So I can go away, can please someone else point this out again if after I leave the keyboard "the other" scamp posts again and people seriously are not getting it?

I would highly appreciate it, because this prevents me from going AFK right now.

Yet you yourself directly used Breakpoint as an argument for how your values were better than the current Revision values. “Here's a video of 100 drunk people dancing on a stage, this demonstrates that nobody could feel scared going there”

Either Breakpoint was so long ago that it's irrelevant, or it's not. You cannot have it both ways.

Anyways, I am now also guilty in making this a thread-about-scamp, so I'll wait until both scamps (of which at least one is the most on-point poster in a long time) have stayed off the thread for a while.

two scamp one thread

Will the real Scamp please stand up?

I am ready Okkie :-)

Really looking forward to a week of buildup and a great weekend with my demoscene family.