Crackers of today
category: general [glöplog]
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old fake mock campaign "when you pirate, you download communism"
Doesn't ring a bell. I do however remember the "You wouldn't download a car" campaign. Which given the popularity of 3D printers sounds like something I would in fact do.
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Why do you seem to have to keep saying it again and again and again though? After a while, reiteration of the same arguments not only comes across condescending but also a bit arrogant.
Because some of the comments addressed to me seem to be made in disregard to my previous posts, answering just the last few lines. Or addressing one half-sentence even. That's the only reason for repeating myself. I honestly have no intention of repeating, of hammering in the same old words out of opinion that someone is being dense and needs repeating. So, if that's how it sounds, I apologize. I mean it.
At some point you must have wondered how often this repeating yourself leads to anything positive other than satisfying your own desire to repeat yourself?
@havoc
You're right, I do wonder. And time and again, I come to the conclusion that this type of communication, this Pouet forum posting, is simply not fit for nuanced, argumented discussions. It's better suited for superficial party scroller stuff and 'soundbyte' format of communication. One has to keep in mind that he/she mustn't show that they deeply care about anything. But every now and then, I get fooled into trying to have a real discussion. My bad.
You're right, I do wonder. And time and again, I come to the conclusion that this type of communication, this Pouet forum posting, is simply not fit for nuanced, argumented discussions. It's better suited for superficial party scroller stuff and 'soundbyte' format of communication. One has to keep in mind that he/she mustn't show that they deeply care about anything. But every now and then, I get fooled into trying to have a real discussion. My bad.
Or maybe your arguments are extremely flawed and your unjustified sense of entitlement makes that even more grating to read.
But yeah, stop discussing this imo, would be better for everyone
But yeah, stop discussing this imo, would be better for everyone
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All I'm saying is that if my experience with original software turns out to be way worse than if I used pirated software, then I have 0 ethical problems with pirating.
I'm sure there's a Karen joke in here somewhere. Would you like to speak to a manager to air your concerns?
"unjustified sense of entitlement" - Jesus, you' re truly that dumb. Next catchphrase please.
Seems I forgot to pay toll to kindergarten bully and his posse again. Sorry for that. Goodbye.
Just keep buying more clothes made in Bangladesh to help the children producing them! Asking for anything different would surely get debunked as "unjustified sense of entitlement".
Seems I forgot to pay toll to kindergarten bully and his posse again. Sorry for that. Goodbye.
Just keep buying more clothes made in Bangladesh to help the children producing them! Asking for anything different would surely get debunked as "unjustified sense of entitlement".
lol, ok, I don't know what the clothing has to do with it, but you keep adding shit to your arguments why you'd like to steal shit or something, nobody cares dude. Just keep doing what you do! :thumbsup:
All I'm saying is that if the price of the clothes from bangladesh turns out to be way worse than if I stole them, then I have 0 ethical problems with stealing them. I don't want to support slave labor so I take advantage of their labor without paying for it at all, giving me a morale high-ground! Through the cracking scene I have been liberated and handed the authority to decide who's a good employer and who's not, what amount of money is required to sustain said business and the amount of profit I generously grant them, I am the only judge, I am justice, the alpha and the omega, of the universe, forever.
i think the virus in his pirated photoshop ate his brain
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Buying software is an insult. Almost like paying for Netflix. Or Windows. ;)
Just saw this idiot post was his first post in this thread lol.
I read LJs comment in rap rhythm with ghetto saw in my head and now I want to see a hip-hop demo about the hubris of cracking scene members.
Writing cracks = respectable sport / means of measuring assembly dick size, but I refuse to acknowledge any sort of moral high ground there. And any non-athletes: buy the fucking game, downloading cracks is for broke teenagers.
Writing cracks = respectable sport / means of measuring assembly dick size, but I refuse to acknowledge any sort of moral high ground there. And any non-athletes: buy the fucking game, downloading cracks is for broke teenagers.
actually, you know what, i don;t give a shit if you pirate or not. Do whatever you want, but don't try to ride some moral high ground about pirating for the 'right reasons' which are then completely divorced from reality.
I believe that 99.9% of the people participating in this thread have used, at least once in their lives, pirated software (and maybe even without knowing it), and there is no need to pretend otherwise. I agree with Gargaj on this one, in the long term, piracy hurts those who worked on a project that was pirated, rather than the big company or the end user.
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at least once in their lives
If I had to guess, I’d say a big chunk of this ‘moral superiority lench mob’ have never in their lives paid any significant $ to a big grift corporation. So of course, when I talk about shitty customer experience/service they don’t have a clue what I’m talking about. They don’t seem to understand forced subscription model, user help that speaks no English, project hijacking by the cloudmasters and other big corp grifting practices. At most, they bought something like FL Studio, directly from a fantastic small developer for cheap, and that only after a decade or so of using it pirated. And that legal experience makes them so proud their bodies jump on the ‘moral superiority’ bandwagon all by themselves. It’s just a feeling, maybe I’m wrong.
Game developers famously don't use Adobe or Autodesk products.
See? I was wrong. I didn’t know I was talking to game developers. Now I know. The worst corporate practices are pretty new, and I think it’s only gonna get worse, so maybe not everybody was impacted yet.
But this is where my issue with the conversation is: I do also find subscription model payments for a chunk of bytes that are already on my HDD more than a bit egregious, but to go from that to "Buying software is an insult" is painting with too broad of a brush with way too much collateral damage.
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Buying software is an insult. Almost like paying for Netflix. Or Windows. ;)
This was another failed attempt at irony from me. I’ve been told I don’t use it in the right way, but only later in the thread.
most of the games that ppl would want 2 crack go sleep in DeNuVo's fuckin' bed and the only people who know how to crack that are people who talk like final fantasy villains
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If I had to guess,...maybe I’m wrong.
This is kinda unfair to say since everyone who used a computer nowadays has faced the greedy, wretched subscription model big corporations have come up with to raise their profits.
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Game developers famously don't use Adobe or Autodesk products.
But in most cases the company buys the tools needed for the developer to use, unless it is an indie studio, no?
4gentE: No need to apologize to anyone for your views. This discussion is a double sided coin, both sides are right and wrong at the same time imho.
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If I had to guess, I’d say a big chunk of this ‘moral superiority lench mob’ have never in their lives paid any significant $ to a big grift corporation.
Most of us are adults and have, in fact, paid fair and square for the commercial software we use. I just bought a plugin for 100 euros and I've been really happy with it. However, I did need to install a license manager to use it properly, so would I have had the moral high ground if I'd just downloaded a cracked version, making sure that the people working on the thing did not get paid?
If you find business practices shitty, greedy or anti-consumer, the one way to keep your moral ground is to not use the product, not get it for free while spewing nonsense that would've been out of date a decade ago.
@Defiance
I just don’t like it when conversation gets ugly, and can’t help but feel I contributed to the ugliness.
I just don’t like it when conversation gets ugly, and can’t help but feel I contributed to the ugliness.
@Preacher
How about these true stories:
Once I paid for a product, but its protection scheme was so annoying that I uninstalled it and installed a cracked one. That allright with you?
Once I paid for a product, it had a USB dongle and it came as download only. Some years later, after migrating to another computer the download could not be found anymore. New OS seemed to have trouble with the dongle driver. Ended up installing a cracked version. Is that allright?
How about these true stories:
Once I paid for a product, but its protection scheme was so annoying that I uninstalled it and installed a cracked one. That allright with you?
Once I paid for a product, it had a USB dongle and it came as download only. Some years later, after migrating to another computer the download could not be found anymore. New OS seemed to have trouble with the dongle driver. Ended up installing a cracked version. Is that allright?
Since the developer got their money, I don't see much problem. Now, on the other hand, if you'd go around saying that since the developer made a crappy copy protection, you felt like it's your duty to liberate the software and therefore dictate their business model and whatnot...