Crackers of today
category: general [glöplog]
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Well, if destruction of the planet along with all life was the measure, my bet would be on capitalism.
None of the human isms, or any other action, can achieve that.
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None of the human isms, or any other action, can achieve that.
True. I should rather have said “all life as we know it”.
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I dunno. Could be something to do with the fact that "Pinball Dreams" was created by the demoscene group The Silents and not some soulless corporation... Maybe...
Jesus that's a mental pretzel right there...
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- Abandonned Places 2 published and CRACKED (yes, they did hire a cracker to have it working on the A1200) by ICE,
Can you provide any sources for this claim? As far as I remember, Electronic Zoo (the publisher of the first Abandoned Places) simply filed bankruptcy and the sequel was thus published by ICE.
Also, fixing a game to work on A1200 is something completely different than cracking it!
Tha AP2 final game was not A1200 compatible due the fact the authors did not have such a machine in possesion.
ICE did noat to pay (and see) the guys and secretly hired someone to hack the installer in-house and (iIrc) crack the ready-to-be-released game's system kernel.
I had this information back in early/mid 2000s given by the author(s).
I should have traces of it somewhere on my back-up HD.
ICE did noat to pay (and see) the guys and secretly hired someone to hack the installer in-house and (iIrc) crack the ready-to-be-released game's system kernel.
I had this information back in early/mid 2000s given by the author(s).
I should have traces of it somewhere on my back-up HD.
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Jesus that's a mental pretzel right there...
Wha?
The company that made Pinball Dreams became DICE, i.e. the company that makes the Battlefield games, the Frostbite engine, Mirror's Edge and others. They are an EA subsidiary. I suppose it's just funny because this is all somewhat corporate, and besides that it's probably fair to assume they made Pinball Dreams in order to make money from it anyway.
That story about Abandoned Places 2 is interesting. It makes me wonder how common the cracker-for-hire was back then. I know that today there are firmware bug bounties and companies like Denuvo hiring crackers and the like, but was it at all the same in the 80s and 90s? For that matter, was anyone specialising in copy-protection back then?
That story about Abandoned Places 2 is interesting. It makes me wonder how common the cracker-for-hire was back then. I know that today there are firmware bug bounties and companies like Denuvo hiring crackers and the like, but was it at all the same in the 80s and 90s? For that matter, was anyone specialising in copy-protection back then?
(Just to make it clear, those "game worth of playing is game worth of buying" slogans etc. appeared also in games which were not Swedish or made by former sceners. If my memory serves right, some Speedball and SWIV cracks told to buy originals)
There's also a recent example: https://i.imgur.com/6tlT7dm.png
There's also a recent example: https://i.imgur.com/6tlT7dm.png
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The company that made Pinball Dreams became DICE, i.e. the company that makes the Battlefield games, the Frostbite engine, Mirror's Edge and others. They are an EA subsidiary. I suppose it's just funny because this is all somewhat corporate, and besides that it's probably fair to assume they made Pinball Dreams in order to make money from it anyway.
Exactly. So while they were fresh out of The Silents and making “Pinball Dreams” they still had lots of ‘street cred’ and sympathies among the demosceners. Hence those “please buy the original” messages on crackscreens perhaps. Later history of the company is kinda irrelevant for this. Hell, Steve Jobs surely had street cred and sympathy while he was still operating from the garage with Woz.
As for “making money on software” - nothing makes me happier than people living off their creative software work, making their dreams come true with their own two hands. What sickens me is the amount of people effectively turned into code monkeys by the corporate software houses, toiling away like modern slaves, providing obscene amounts of corporate profit.
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(Just to make it clear, those "game worth of playing is game worth of buying" slogans etc. appeared also in games which were not Swedish or made by former sceners.
Oh, I’m aware of it, I remember seeing those messages in intros and crackscreens. No matter who made the game. I look at them now as teenage attempts at virtue signalling and/or making themselves sound more adult, more serious, more ‘1337’ you know? ;)
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What sickens me is the amount of people effectively turned into code monkeys by the corporate software houses, toiling away like modern slaves, providing obscene amounts of corporate profit.
Isn't this the modern day definition of capitalism, though? Work your ass off, then get paid in the smallest amount possible, because the huge profits are for the up top?
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Isn't this the modern day definition of capitalism, though? Work your ass off, then get paid in the smallest amount possible, because the huge profits are for the up top?
That’s why I pirate. Because when you pirate, you download communism. ;)
https://ibb.co/dtJ8bxx
They added the messages, but they still cracked and copied the games. It looks like they mostly didn't care who made the game when it came down to getting it for free or not. Though, today people do choose whether to pirate or pay for a game based on who made it and whether they agree with their views or not. This seems like a recent phenomenon, I guess.
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Exactly. So while they were fresh out of The Silents and making “Pinball Dreams” they still had lots of ‘street cred’ and sympathies among the demosceners.
And there's the pretzel again - just say there's "good capitalism" and "bad capitalism" and the distinction is arbitrarily based on who you like.
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That’s why I pirate.
Nah, you pirate cos you dont wanna pay for shit. If it was ideology-driven, you wouldn't pirate cos you'd know it's never gonna hurt the people on the top, but it will do great damage to the people at the bottom.
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Though, today people do choose whether to pirate or pay for a game based on who made it and whether they agree with their views or not.
Clearly not.
Funny how sticking it to capitalism equals taking money out of someone elses pocket because "they don't deserve it anyways" after what surely is very careful and well informed evaluation of the costs of running the business.
@Gargaj
Zero mental gymnastics required. No pretzels. One just needs to read what the crackscreen attached to the original post (Pinball Dreams) says. Like literally. Shouldn't be too hard.
Considering you pulled the sentence "That's why I pirate" out of context and 'liberated' it from the following sentence, while also taking into consideration some other comments you made, I was wondering, are you incapacitated to pick up irony per se, are you too lazy to read further from the first sentence, are you simply not too versed in English, or you just sport a trollish mentality? Just so that I know how to communicate with you more efficiently in the future…
And, no, there's (almost) no 'ideology' involved, as I explained before. But to take that into account obviously exceeds your attention span. I do what hurts less. It shouldn't be more painful and troublesome to buy than to pirate. Buying customers should not be punished.
Zero mental gymnastics required. No pretzels. One just needs to read what the crackscreen attached to the original post (Pinball Dreams) says. Like literally. Shouldn't be too hard.
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Nah, you pirate cos you dont wanna pay for shit. If it was ideology-driven, you wouldn't pirate cos you'd know it's never gonna hurt the people on the top, but it will do great damage to the people at the bottom.
Considering you pulled the sentence "That's why I pirate" out of context and 'liberated' it from the following sentence, while also taking into consideration some other comments you made, I was wondering, are you incapacitated to pick up irony per se, are you too lazy to read further from the first sentence, are you simply not too versed in English, or you just sport a trollish mentality? Just so that I know how to communicate with you more efficiently in the future…
And, no, there's (almost) no 'ideology' involved, as I explained before. But to take that into account obviously exceeds your attention span. I do what hurts less. It shouldn't be more painful and troublesome to buy than to pirate. Buying customers should not be punished.
What you're implying is that customers should not refuse to pay for shitty service, service that got shitified by corporate grift, because that would hurt the 'people at the bottom'. Now that's a nice corner to be painted into. And involves some intense pretzeling too... Just beautiful!
you sound very dumb tbh
Likewise. You also sound like Gargaj's groupie if I may add.
It mostly sounds like you're trying to rationalize pirating software, though? Just pay for it if you want to use it and keep your ideologies out of it.
You could try to use more sophistication when applying irony, as you gave me too the impression you were advocating communism with a somewhat confused rationale. :-)
Irony aside, I see no point in paying for software for evaluation purposes or beyond, but I don't have any issue with paying for software either, subscription models, etc. even with big corporations. All fine by me. If you enter a contract with a software company, you usually do this to some mutual benefit, and if you use a "pirated" copy, nobody gets hurt while you're simply not entering a contract.
Irony aside, I see no point in paying for software for evaluation purposes or beyond, but I don't have any issue with paying for software either, subscription models, etc. even with big corporations. All fine by me. If you enter a contract with a software company, you usually do this to some mutual benefit, and if you use a "pirated" copy, nobody gets hurt while you're simply not entering a contract.
@sagacity
As I've said before. I'm looking to pay for software I use most of the time. A lot of todays original software gives me pain because of their aggressive methods of protection and crony subscription models where you don't get a permanent license, meaning that you effectively borrowed the said software. Computer migration is also a pain. I get that a lot, because for business I cannot afford to pirate. So I have to struggle with disrespect and nonsense from the software vendor. All I'm saying is that if my experience with original software turns out to be way worse than if I used pirated software, then I have 0 ethical problems with pirating. What, customer respect is nowadays some kind of 'ideology' that should be kept out? Kept out of what? Do you even listen to yourselves? Why would you play dr. Freud and try to explain to me what I'm in fact doing and feeling, when I wrote you exactly what I'm doing and why I'm doing it?
As I've said before. I'm looking to pay for software I use most of the time. A lot of todays original software gives me pain because of their aggressive methods of protection and crony subscription models where you don't get a permanent license, meaning that you effectively borrowed the said software. Computer migration is also a pain. I get that a lot, because for business I cannot afford to pirate. So I have to struggle with disrespect and nonsense from the software vendor. All I'm saying is that if my experience with original software turns out to be way worse than if I used pirated software, then I have 0 ethical problems with pirating. What, customer respect is nowadays some kind of 'ideology' that should be kept out? Kept out of what? Do you even listen to yourselves? Why would you play dr. Freud and try to explain to me what I'm in fact doing and feeling, when I wrote you exactly what I'm doing and why I'm doing it?
@bifat
Yes, I suppose you're right. I kinda thought that everyone knew that old fake mock campaign "when you pirate, you download communism", along with that flyer I linked depicting an evil-faced Lenin spectre preying on ther unsuspecting youth.
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You could try to use more sophistication when applying irony, as you gave me too the impression you were advocating communism with a somewhat confused rationale. :-)
Yes, I suppose you're right. I kinda thought that everyone knew that old fake mock campaign "when you pirate, you download communism", along with that flyer I linked depicting an evil-faced Lenin spectre preying on ther unsuspecting youth.
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All I'm saying is
Why do you seem to have to keep saying it again and again and again though? After a while, reiteration of the same arguments not only comes across condescending but also a bit arrogant.
