Suggestions to reunite the demoscene
category: parties [glöplog]
Bifat:
I hear you. I am in this camp, too. I do believe that there a lot of sceners who depend on the social contacts the scene provides to survive. A lot of sceners (and that includes myself) have joined the scene during a time where they had absolutely no chance to be understood and integrated into and by the "normal world".
At UC we had sceners telling us that it had been a year since they last at come close to other humans.
And I think that's fine. I don't think this is anything to be ashamed of.
I am also in the "online demoparties are not demoparties" camp. And that's logical - humans need to be touched, they need to see, feel and smell (yuck) to survive. To me a stream is just another thing to do procrastinating lonely in front of a computer. And if you have created something, nothing beats direct feedback.
We need more RL meetings and parties again.
But with all of this being said: Even if you are afraid of vaccination, or surveillance, or both. Try to balance things out. You surely don't believe that every second vaccinated person explodes after 4 weeks. Or that the amount of laughable telefax surveillance the pandemic has brought is in any way as threating as all the new unrelated surveillance laws (allowing the government to break into any computer secretly without warrant etc).
So even if you believe the whole vaccination stuff being part of a bigger problem, it clearly still is one of the smaller parts of that bigger problem.
Which brings me to the subject of balancing things out: If you (like me) depend on having real life demoparties and suffer from not having those, then the most pragmatic thing to do is to put aside any fears you may have in regards of getting vaccinated. So you may become a zombie eating puppies brains in 2 years from now? Fine, but at least you had the chance to enjoy meeting your friends at demoparties until you reach the point.
Getting your vaccination now simply is pragmatic. If you do it next week, you'll be done with it before Deadline, too.
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I see the demoscene comprised of 2 components, mutually dependant and interlocked: No parties without demos, no demos without parties. Now for some online parties may be some kind of substitute, but online is too much controlled and full of misunderstandings. Short story: It doesn't get any better than watching demos together and a few minutes later meeting each other in the line at the grill.
I hear you. I am in this camp, too. I do believe that there a lot of sceners who depend on the social contacts the scene provides to survive. A lot of sceners (and that includes myself) have joined the scene during a time where they had absolutely no chance to be understood and integrated into and by the "normal world".
At UC we had sceners telling us that it had been a year since they last at come close to other humans.
And I think that's fine. I don't think this is anything to be ashamed of.
I am also in the "online demoparties are not demoparties" camp. And that's logical - humans need to be touched, they need to see, feel and smell (yuck) to survive. To me a stream is just another thing to do procrastinating lonely in front of a computer. And if you have created something, nothing beats direct feedback.
We need more RL meetings and parties again.
But with all of this being said: Even if you are afraid of vaccination, or surveillance, or both. Try to balance things out. You surely don't believe that every second vaccinated person explodes after 4 weeks. Or that the amount of laughable telefax surveillance the pandemic has brought is in any way as threating as all the new unrelated surveillance laws (allowing the government to break into any computer secretly without warrant etc).
So even if you believe the whole vaccination stuff being part of a bigger problem, it clearly still is one of the smaller parts of that bigger problem.
Which brings me to the subject of balancing things out: If you (like me) depend on having real life demoparties and suffer from not having those, then the most pragmatic thing to do is to put aside any fears you may have in regards of getting vaccinated. So you may become a zombie eating puppies brains in 2 years from now? Fine, but at least you had the chance to enjoy meeting your friends at demoparties until you reach the point.
Getting your vaccination now simply is pragmatic. If you do it next week, you'll be done with it before Deadline, too.
havoc <3
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I've crossed the border between the Czech Republic and Germany, and after having to wait for over an hour was greeted by about 20 German police men with machine guns. The question on having a proof of testing available was done with a machine gun pointing towards me.
Man, you are really the Paul Ronzheimer of teh demoscene. Always tiptoeing close to sudden death, as for another example:
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Just, how do you DO it, man? You must be one real superhumanherobeing. ... I mean, this is not just adding colorful details to your tellings, to substantiate the facts; this actually HAPPENED, right?The last few days at Underground Conference had been extreme. Thunderstorms, a broken crane, a huge tree crashing upon us, two trashed trailers - basically a survival camp with us constantly fighting to not get killed.
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Just, how do you DO it, man? You must be one real superhumanherobeing. ... I mean, this is not just adding colorful details to your tellings, to substantiate the facts; this actually HAPPENED, right?
It is true, we are all missing the IRL demoparties .....
... but whilst I am wishing v3nom and those who go to Deadline the best wishes (alongside hoping and praying that nothing nasty happens, during or after the party to those attending and / or their families) currently at least, given the serious situation, online parties are the best way to go, for the moment.
Sure, we all do miss the human contact with our friends, we can't deny that. Our friends within the scene are special to us, because of who they are and what they can do. Their work, when it is shown on the big screen or even on our slightly smaller screens for when some of us could only sofa-scene; even more so if it is our work, as part of the team / crew / group that have produced the release, it gives a great natural high.
Getting vaccinated personally is the best way to go - then that protects all of us. Whilst I understand that there have been valid concerns in relation to women and their fertility, I believe all of us should have them when we are offered them. It makes sense.
Please, don't believe the Q-Anon bollocks stuff, that is completely insane as well as being false. We're demosceners, we are much better than that.
... but whilst I am wishing v3nom and those who go to Deadline the best wishes (alongside hoping and praying that nothing nasty happens, during or after the party to those attending and / or their families) currently at least, given the serious situation, online parties are the best way to go, for the moment.
Sure, we all do miss the human contact with our friends, we can't deny that. Our friends within the scene are special to us, because of who they are and what they can do. Their work, when it is shown on the big screen or even on our slightly smaller screens for when some of us could only sofa-scene; even more so if it is our work, as part of the team / crew / group that have produced the release, it gives a great natural high.
Getting vaccinated personally is the best way to go - then that protects all of us. Whilst I understand that there have been valid concerns in relation to women and their fertility, I believe all of us should have them when we are offered them. It makes sense.
Please, don't believe the Q-Anon bollocks stuff, that is completely insane as well as being false. We're demosceners, we are much better than that.
Gosh, the pics start rolling in, derailment alert yellow :)
Scamp, don't take it personal, providing proof if someone questions your personal integrity brings nothing to the table, and is a waste of time. Thanks for insightful words. Scamp, Felice: See my posts #1 and https://www.pouet.net/topic.php?which=12177&page=6#c572958.
It changes nothing because I wouldn't provide any proof of vaccination, regardless if I have it or not. This is the sane and ethical approach in this affair, in my opinion, also I want to make a point in this discussion. Of course you CAN talk about your vaccination, but you don't have to.
Scamp, don't take it personal, providing proof if someone questions your personal integrity brings nothing to the table, and is a waste of time. Thanks for insightful words. Scamp, Felice: See my posts #1 and https://www.pouet.net/topic.php?which=12177&page=6#c572958.
It changes nothing because I wouldn't provide any proof of vaccination, regardless if I have it or not. This is the sane and ethical approach in this affair, in my opinion, also I want to make a point in this discussion. Of course you CAN talk about your vaccination, but you don't have to.
Dang, and I meant this one: https://www.pouet.net/topic.php?which=12177&page=6#c572985
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As if anyone cared.I wouldn't provide any proof of vaccination, regardless if I have it or not.
Sir, great :)
@Bifat: if you wouldnt provide proof of vaccination, it will probably not possible to be present at some of the bigger (scene) festivals and such as gouvernment regulations is heading that way.. (atleast in holland) would that be worth it ?
Magic, it's a bitter pill. But wasn't the vaccination supposed to be about Covid-19? It would be a pity if it's about a certificate.
I'm pretty sure it's about both :) you might just be uncomfortable with one aspect of it.
@Bifat Nope.. vaccination is one of the methods to have hospitals not to crowded with corona patients and protect the weak. So yeay proof is needed to reduce risc(s) of new corona infections (explosion) at the bigger (scene) festivals. Wouldnt you want to reduce those risc(s) if you wanted to visit for example a fysical Revision through obeying to gouvernment regulations and show proof ?
I thought it's about giving you the stage for heroism.
Scamp:
I'm no aviation expert, but this might strongly depend on where the plane departed from.
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People who travel here by plane for example always are shocked to find out that there are no checks whatsoever on arrival at Frankfurt Airport. I really mean: None. Nobody wanting to see any paper (tests, vaccination) of any kind.
I'm no aviation expert, but this might strongly depend on where the plane departed from.
if only there was a vaccine against dreadful spelling
Obviously for non-Schengen you have the mandatory border patrol. But those only check passports, and do not ask for any test certificates.
But even for flights from high-risk areas (including the Delta variant before it came here) no checks are done. Even when travelling from Portugal was completely banned in July, no checks were done at all, as Jeenio can confirm.
Also, the entry forms you have to fill before travelling to Germany simply go nowhere. They claim to be forwarded to the local health authorities so they can check you are doing the quarantine, but they aren't forwarded at all, as there is no IT system for that. There also is no way to check the validity for the confirmation document you get - there isn't even a unique ID on it.
Yes, it really is this silly.
But even for flights from high-risk areas (including the Delta variant before it came here) no checks are done. Even when travelling from Portugal was completely banned in July, no checks were done at all, as Jeenio can confirm.
Also, the entry forms you have to fill before travelling to Germany simply go nowhere. They claim to be forwarded to the local health authorities so they can check you are doing the quarantine, but they aren't forwarded at all, as there is no IT system for that. There also is no way to check the validity for the confirmation document you get - there isn't even a unique ID on it.
Yes, it really is this silly.
(Disclaimer: I was vaccinated early, and am a responsible frequent traveler. Which made this even more awkward to me.)
magic, if I'd be in close contact with people of very bad health, I wouldn't currently attend a demoparty, vaccinated or not. I see this responsibility on the side of the partygoers. With a vaccination certificate you are ceding your responsibility and putting the burden on to the organizers and ultimately the state. In this case I'd inform myself extremely well and constantly monitor what is known about the effectiveness of the vaccination.
Bifat: Please, just please fuck off. You're a broken record playing a shit tune, and you've been doing it for way too long.
You wish :)
Indeed I do. Your childish edgelord behavior and general querdenker sympathies is something I find utterly disgusting. I personally know a few people who have died of covid, one as recently as last week. This shit ain't no joke and definitely not about your narcissistic calls for freedums.
So to reiterate: please just fuck off.
So to reiterate: please just fuck off.
mfx, I'm not joking and it's not about me. Don't make things up.
Why can't we simply disagree and get along?
Why can't we simply disagree and get along?
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if I'd be in close contact with people of very bad health, I wouldn't currently attend a demoparty, vaccinated or not. I see this responsibility on the side of the partygoers. With a vaccination certificate you are ceding your responsibility and putting the burden on to the organizers and ultimately the state. In this case I'd inform myself extremely well and constantly monitor what is known about the effectiveness of the vaccination.
@Bifat You keep bringing in new angles as a response on a question/topic in our tiny conversation here. That makes it difficult to conversate with you ;)
Ok so.. reading the above.. what would be the right circumstances for you to visit, lets say, a fysical Revision party than? And why would you monitor the effectiveness of the vaccination while the gouvernment is on top of that to make a good policy. (e.g. show proof vaccination/recent test/recovered from corona the last 6 montsh to attend a party)