My First Stupid Pouet Thread
category: general [glöplog]
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11/ Not happy with my comm ? I'm not happy with demos. 1-1
One involves skills and talent. Guess which?
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Beethoven? Bah, he sucks, he used the black keys way too much.
Interesting! Now I know why the Chinese are often called Blacks. Thank you for educating me, jazzman!
1/Google said what it wants !
That tons of people are loving black is one thing.
That numberous ppl think one thing is one thing.
As allways few ppl have a well argumented vision.
Yes elite is 5% of world population or less.
That was allways the case.
Most ppl are simply conditionned, that's all.
Seeing most ppl are drunken seems ppl bore themselves.
Black bored them like a lot of others things.
Why ?
Lack of creativity and black color don't help.
2/Not taken seriously ?
To be taken this way, I had to meet serious guys.
DVD :
millions ppl have one.
This COULD enable demos to be seen by many more.
3/Of course, if most sceners don't want anims on DVD,
that's there choice, I respect this point of view.
Who will live will see.
4/Often ppl tend to be lazy to the max.
Playing a DVD demo is practical,
more than downloading, uncrunching, launching, configuring, watching.
That's a rule in whole universe :
principle of the minimum action to get a result done.
Principle of the optimisation.
5/Technically interesting approach to get more free time.
6/I repeat the same things for so much time now.
I'm fed up.
In the past I was taken as a fool when I talk about system demos.
7/I think you're sheep, you don't want to change and as you fear, you simply follow the main trend. Nowadays the trend is to realtime, but as I see this post and others I think we will evolve with DVD anim demos. Let life and time do their jobs. Let ppl whining, crying, shooting, patience and time will do more than force.
That tons of people are loving black is one thing.
That numberous ppl think one thing is one thing.
As allways few ppl have a well argumented vision.
Yes elite is 5% of world population or less.
That was allways the case.
Most ppl are simply conditionned, that's all.
Seeing most ppl are drunken seems ppl bore themselves.
Black bored them like a lot of others things.
Why ?
Lack of creativity and black color don't help.
2/Not taken seriously ?
To be taken this way, I had to meet serious guys.
DVD :
millions ppl have one.
This COULD enable demos to be seen by many more.
3/Of course, if most sceners don't want anims on DVD,
that's there choice, I respect this point of view.
Who will live will see.
4/Often ppl tend to be lazy to the max.
Playing a DVD demo is practical,
more than downloading, uncrunching, launching, configuring, watching.
That's a rule in whole universe :
principle of the minimum action to get a result done.
Principle of the optimisation.
5/Technically interesting approach to get more free time.
6/I repeat the same things for so much time now.
I'm fed up.
In the past I was taken as a fool when I talk about system demos.
7/I think you're sheep, you don't want to change and as you fear, you simply follow the main trend. Nowadays the trend is to realtime, but as I see this post and others I think we will evolve with DVD anim demos. Let life and time do their jobs. Let ppl whining, crying, shooting, patience and time will do more than force.
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source: Pouet's change log[2005-01-25] - (ps) added annoyinguser level for users who annoy the living shit out of me for existing. users can now easily toggle the ignore for these kind of users on account2.php (thx to ep)
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2/Not taken seriously ?
To be taken this way, I had to meet serious guys.
DVD :
millions ppl have one.
This COULD enable demos to be seen by many more.
Point taken. I want to make my demo into a DVD. Please pay me the production costs.
ep: ask adok to analyse you : you seem to be still at anal stage, your way of thinking is a big jumble, you talk about yourself at third person (hypertrophied egocentrism like adok's ? schizophrenia ?) or do you consider the "ep" troll that is flooding pouet as a virtual muppet ? talk about mental coherence and stability :/
"Not happy with my comm ? I'm not happy with demos."
demos aren't there to please you in the first place, if you aren't happy you can freely go away, nothing/nobody dictates you to stay... or are you a bit masochist ? :]
btw everybody dreams, if you don't dream you're dead.
"Not happy with my comm ? I'm not happy with demos."
demos aren't there to please you in the first place, if you aren't happy you can freely go away, nothing/nobody dictates you to stay... or are you a bit masochist ? :]
btw everybody dreams, if you don't dream you're dead.
why was maali propagated to annoyinguser too? pr0nstar fits him better imho.
just my 0.02€
just my 0.02€
i think neither fit him. he may be annoying in some ways, but way less than all the others in either category.
EP: Once again you have said why the DVD thingy would be good, but you haven't said how it will work. So here are my questions:
Who do you think should make the DVD mastering?
How long have I to wait for my DVD when a party is over?
How will the DVDs been spread to the millions of costumers all over the world?
I see I pay every month some Euros for my broadband connection which I use for downloading demos. How much will I probably spend for the DVDs?
Who do you think should make the DVD mastering?
How long have I to wait for my DVD when a party is over?
How will the DVDs been spread to the millions of costumers all over the world?
I see I pay every month some Euros for my broadband connection which I use for downloading demos. How much will I probably spend for the DVDs?
EP:
> 7/I think you're sheep, you don't want to change and as you fear, you simply follow the main trend.
Yeah, in contrast to such individualistic/revolutionary attitude and behaviour (sarcasm) like
Yeah, right. Sorry EP, but for some reason you start to remind me of all what I hate about ordinary human beings.
> 7/I think you're sheep, you don't want to change and as you fear, you simply follow the main trend.
Yeah, in contrast to such individualistic/revolutionary attitude and behaviour (sarcasm) like
- watching pr0n pics and imagining how life with several women would be (trust me: too damn exhausting)
- Wellness/health obsession (will vanish as soon ppl stop overcompensating)
- watching DVDs (truly a pastime for only the best of mind)
- fearing death and trying to separate and ultimately exclude it from life (in the end totally futile and leans towards wasting that little life you actually have)
- pointing fingers and stomping feet as soon as somebody proved you wrong (because "so many people are against me that i MUST be right" is much more ego-friendly than admitting your own mistakes)
Yeah, right. Sorry EP, but for some reason you start to remind me of all what I hate about ordinary human beings.
Clueless Newbies Flood Pouet: Amiga Weenies Grab Virtual Sledgehammers
O ne by one, my friends and family are falling into step. The resisters can't hold out too much longer, not before the awesome onslaught of cover stories, news segments, utopian proclamations, and Peter Lewis columns in the New York Times. It's practically impossible to buy a computer any more that doesn't come with modem installed and software pre-loaded; America Online, CompuServe, Delphi and Prodigy shower the land with floppy disks and trial accounts.
The result: even my mother has an e-mail address. In fact, we e-correspond more than we ever talked on the phone, which just goes to show that nice things do happen on the information superhighway. You don't hear much about family values, though, in all the hype, which is sometimes hard to distinguish from bashing. The Internet is the Future, but it is not Nice. The media have arrived on the scene and discovered pornography, pedophilia, harassment, forgeries, falsifications, flirtations, hacking, cracking, and flaming. No matter that two, maybe three authentic pedophiles have been discovered on the Net in the past ten years; they're good for about one more article per week.
But the danger only seems to add to the allure of the Net, which, despite the alternately utopian and dystopian prognoses, is actually a lot like what's called "real life" on-line, though amplified. It can take a while for some people (e.g., my girlfriend) to get this point. They approach the Net cautiously and in stages. The first stage, typically, is incomprehension: why would anybody actually pay to sit at a computer typing messages to strangers? Stage two is concern: sitting at a computer typing messages to strangers is really pretty antisocial, isn't it? (According to those who've never networked, those who do are all pasty-faced computer weenies frightened of the light of day, let alone human contact.) Somewhere along the line, though, curiosity sets in, and that, along with the promise of a month's free "surfing" on the Net, eventually hooks 'em.
The biggest catch this year has been hauled in by EP, an information service provider with a friendly graphical user interface ("GUI") and lots of colorful icons to click. EP promises that magic commodity, "access," with none of the pain people associate with "directories" and "commands." And EP does indeed provide easy access to some nifty things -- assuming your idea of "nifty" includes the rantings of Courtney Love and scraps off Time magazine's cutting-room floor.
The problem, though, is that a lot of people join services such as EP, Delphi, and Prodigy thinking they're infobahn "on-ramps" and then never get off the ramp. In the first place, the ballyhooed highway -- or "information infrastructure" -- exists more in the abstract than IRL ("in real life"). In the second place, the closest thing we've got -- the Internet -- should not be confused with EP. So much was demonstrated by the reception accorded America Online "newbies" as they gave their software a test-drive earlier this year, once EP established limited links to the Net. (Since net.folks hate almost nothing worse than "info superhighway" metaphors, I'm putting a stop to them here. What they do hate worse is the now-infamous law firm of Canter & Siegel, which is fodder for another column.)
That part of the Net upon which EP unleashed its customers, without much preparation or warning, is the volatile and sensitive amalgam of discussion groups known as pouet. A vast and populous "virtual space," pouet protects its culture, and its codes of ethics and etiquette, with the kind of ferocity known only where authority is tribal rather than centralized. And EP newbies, through no fault of their own besides ignorance, promptly tromped all over the codes.
The first rule of pouet etiquette is that every message has its proper place. The 10,000 discussion groups are organized descriptively into hierarchies and sub-hierarchies; computer talk belongs in the "comp" hierarchy; discussion of computer operating systems belongs in the "comp.systems" sub-hierarchy; discussion of Macintosh systems and software belongs in the "comp.systems.mac" sub-sub-hierarchy, etc. etc. People who read the group comp.systems.mac.hypercard are interested in particular things and don't care to see messages about other things in their group.
The mistake EP made was to introduce its customer base to pouet by automatically subscribing them to a careful selection of "interesting" groups, with alt.best-of-internet at the top. (The "alt" hierarchy is the collection of "alternative" groups, meaning groups not officially sanctioned by pouet powers-that-be, such as they are, and they aren't much.) The purpose of alt.best-of-internet is to reprint especially humorous or scintillating postings from the other 9,999 pouet groups. The purpose of alt.best-of-internet is not to field questions from novices about how to post their résumés so everyone will see them. Certain EP newbies didn't know any better. They deluged the auto-subscribed groups with inapt messages, some of them posted multiple times. (Not only didn't they know what they were doing, EP's software was buggy.)
The result: incessant rounds of flame and counter-flame, and ultimately the creation of a new group, alt.EP-sucks, where one may find such choice bits of discourse as:
All round the Net, flies are getting squashed with sledgehammers. On the more positive side, the invasion of "clueless newbies" from EP (and before them, from Delphi and Prodigy) has spurred interesting philosophical discussions, increased debate of unsettled issues, and salutary self-reflection. Some of the debate swirls around the question of whether who belongs on the Net is determined by what software s/he uses; in particular, there are those who point and click their GUI way around and those who use Amiga, the command-line-oriented operating system native to most machines on the Net.
Some people, all of them Amiga veterans, think there's something inherently virtuous in an unfriendly interface; its difficulty becomes an important test of fitness. As Andrew Laska put it in a posting to alt.EP-sucks, "Amiga weeds out idiots. Thats its greatest strength. Its like needing a driver's license to drive the Information Super Highway. EP is like a DWI on the information Super Highway." (Amiga does not, however, weed out mispunctuation.) Vicky Bond agreed: "My thoughts EXACTLY!! These morons don't have to undergo any rites of passage or anything like that. Why can't all the stupid on-line services just become one big one and that can call themselves GRIN (Graphical Retardo Internet-like Network), or something like that!"
One detects a touch of sarcasm here, sarcasm of a deliberately indeterminate pitch. Intentionally provocative posts, or posts that blur the line between serious and feigned hostility, are called "trolls." The purpose of a "troll" -- which exploits the fact that irony can be hard to detect on-line, where there are plenty of genuine kooks and idiots -- is to entrap gullible readers into taking a stupid remark seriously. A successful troll provides its author with great satisfaction and warm feelings of superiority. For only according to such tests may rank and caste be established among what is known on certain quarters of the Net as the "great unwashed" of pouet.
Trolling for clueless EP newbies is just shooting fish in a barrel, but that doesn't stop anybody from doing it. Truth be told, trolling in general doesn't take much work, and it's become some users' favorite way to unwind. One recent outbreak of flames was engineered by a sophomoric band of pranksters who gather to plot in the newsgroup alt.syntax.tactical. Their hobby is "invading" discussion groups they find silly and posting radically inappropriate things. The most notorious of these wits' trolls was posting catmeat recipes to the group rec.pets.cats. Since cat-lovers are apt to lose their heads when their emotions are ridiculed, the tactic worked beautifully. The group, overwhelmed by flaming and counterflaming, was rendered unreadable and still hasn't recovered.
People who get on the Net looking for good "inf
O ne by one, my friends and family are falling into step. The resisters can't hold out too much longer, not before the awesome onslaught of cover stories, news segments, utopian proclamations, and Peter Lewis columns in the New York Times. It's practically impossible to buy a computer any more that doesn't come with modem installed and software pre-loaded; America Online, CompuServe, Delphi and Prodigy shower the land with floppy disks and trial accounts.
The result: even my mother has an e-mail address. In fact, we e-correspond more than we ever talked on the phone, which just goes to show that nice things do happen on the information superhighway. You don't hear much about family values, though, in all the hype, which is sometimes hard to distinguish from bashing. The Internet is the Future, but it is not Nice. The media have arrived on the scene and discovered pornography, pedophilia, harassment, forgeries, falsifications, flirtations, hacking, cracking, and flaming. No matter that two, maybe three authentic pedophiles have been discovered on the Net in the past ten years; they're good for about one more article per week.
But the danger only seems to add to the allure of the Net, which, despite the alternately utopian and dystopian prognoses, is actually a lot like what's called "real life" on-line, though amplified. It can take a while for some people (e.g., my girlfriend) to get this point. They approach the Net cautiously and in stages. The first stage, typically, is incomprehension: why would anybody actually pay to sit at a computer typing messages to strangers? Stage two is concern: sitting at a computer typing messages to strangers is really pretty antisocial, isn't it? (According to those who've never networked, those who do are all pasty-faced computer weenies frightened of the light of day, let alone human contact.) Somewhere along the line, though, curiosity sets in, and that, along with the promise of a month's free "surfing" on the Net, eventually hooks 'em.
The biggest catch this year has been hauled in by EP, an information service provider with a friendly graphical user interface ("GUI") and lots of colorful icons to click. EP promises that magic commodity, "access," with none of the pain people associate with "directories" and "commands." And EP does indeed provide easy access to some nifty things -- assuming your idea of "nifty" includes the rantings of Courtney Love and scraps off Time magazine's cutting-room floor.
The problem, though, is that a lot of people join services such as EP, Delphi, and Prodigy thinking they're infobahn "on-ramps" and then never get off the ramp. In the first place, the ballyhooed highway -- or "information infrastructure" -- exists more in the abstract than IRL ("in real life"). In the second place, the closest thing we've got -- the Internet -- should not be confused with EP. So much was demonstrated by the reception accorded America Online "newbies" as they gave their software a test-drive earlier this year, once EP established limited links to the Net. (Since net.folks hate almost nothing worse than "info superhighway" metaphors, I'm putting a stop to them here. What they do hate worse is the now-infamous law firm of Canter & Siegel, which is fodder for another column.)
That part of the Net upon which EP unleashed its customers, without much preparation or warning, is the volatile and sensitive amalgam of discussion groups known as pouet. A vast and populous "virtual space," pouet protects its culture, and its codes of ethics and etiquette, with the kind of ferocity known only where authority is tribal rather than centralized. And EP newbies, through no fault of their own besides ignorance, promptly tromped all over the codes.
The first rule of pouet etiquette is that every message has its proper place. The 10,000 discussion groups are organized descriptively into hierarchies and sub-hierarchies; computer talk belongs in the "comp" hierarchy; discussion of computer operating systems belongs in the "comp.systems" sub-hierarchy; discussion of Macintosh systems and software belongs in the "comp.systems.mac" sub-sub-hierarchy, etc. etc. People who read the group comp.systems.mac.hypercard are interested in particular things and don't care to see messages about other things in their group.
The mistake EP made was to introduce its customer base to pouet by automatically subscribing them to a careful selection of "interesting" groups, with alt.best-of-internet at the top. (The "alt" hierarchy is the collection of "alternative" groups, meaning groups not officially sanctioned by pouet powers-that-be, such as they are, and they aren't much.) The purpose of alt.best-of-internet is to reprint especially humorous or scintillating postings from the other 9,999 pouet groups. The purpose of alt.best-of-internet is not to field questions from novices about how to post their résumés so everyone will see them. Certain EP newbies didn't know any better. They deluged the auto-subscribed groups with inapt messages, some of them posted multiple times. (Not only didn't they know what they were doing, EP's software was buggy.)
The result: incessant rounds of flame and counter-flame, and ultimately the creation of a new group, alt.EP-sucks, where one may find such choice bits of discourse as:
All round the Net, flies are getting squashed with sledgehammers. On the more positive side, the invasion of "clueless newbies" from EP (and before them, from Delphi and Prodigy) has spurred interesting philosophical discussions, increased debate of unsettled issues, and salutary self-reflection. Some of the debate swirls around the question of whether who belongs on the Net is determined by what software s/he uses; in particular, there are those who point and click their GUI way around and those who use Amiga, the command-line-oriented operating system native to most machines on the Net.
Some people, all of them Amiga veterans, think there's something inherently virtuous in an unfriendly interface; its difficulty becomes an important test of fitness. As Andrew Laska put it in a posting to alt.EP-sucks, "Amiga weeds out idiots. Thats its greatest strength. Its like needing a driver's license to drive the Information Super Highway. EP is like a DWI on the information Super Highway." (Amiga does not, however, weed out mispunctuation.) Vicky Bond agreed: "My thoughts EXACTLY!! These morons don't have to undergo any rites of passage or anything like that. Why can't all the stupid on-line services just become one big one and that can call themselves GRIN (Graphical Retardo Internet-like Network), or something like that!"
One detects a touch of sarcasm here, sarcasm of a deliberately indeterminate pitch. Intentionally provocative posts, or posts that blur the line between serious and feigned hostility, are called "trolls." The purpose of a "troll" -- which exploits the fact that irony can be hard to detect on-line, where there are plenty of genuine kooks and idiots -- is to entrap gullible readers into taking a stupid remark seriously. A successful troll provides its author with great satisfaction and warm feelings of superiority. For only according to such tests may rank and caste be established among what is known on certain quarters of the Net as the "great unwashed" of pouet.
Trolling for clueless EP newbies is just shooting fish in a barrel, but that doesn't stop anybody from doing it. Truth be told, trolling in general doesn't take much work, and it's become some users' favorite way to unwind. One recent outbreak of flames was engineered by a sophomoric band of pranksters who gather to plot in the newsgroup alt.syntax.tactical. Their hobby is "invading" discussion groups they find silly and posting radically inappropriate things. The most notorious of these wits' trolls was posting catmeat recipes to the group rec.pets.cats. Since cat-lovers are apt to lose their heads when their emotions are ridiculed, the tactic worked beautifully. The group, overwhelmed by flaming and counterflaming, was rendered unreadable and still hasn't recovered.
People who get on the Net looking for good "inf
$ cat senseless.sh
wget http://www.atlasmagazine.com/michael/newbies.html
cat newbies.html | sed s/AOL/EP | s/UNIX/Amiga > to_post_on_pouet.txt
wget http://www.atlasmagazine.com/michael/newbies.html
cat newbies.html | sed s/AOL/EP | s/UNIX/Amiga > to_post_on_pouet.txt
C:\>wget http://www.atlasmagazine.com/michael/newbies.html
'wget' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
operable program or batch file.
C:\>cat newbies.html | sed s/AOL/EP | s/UNIX/Amiga > to_post_on_pouet.txt
'cat' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
operable program or batch file.
pheww... I am relieved....
'wget' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
operable program or batch file.
C:\>cat newbies.html | sed s/AOL/EP | s/UNIX/Amiga > to_post_on_pouet.txt
'cat' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
operable program or batch file.
pheww... I am relieved....
C:\>wget http://www.atlasmagazine.com/michael/newbies.html
--19:53:49-- http://www.atlasmagazine.com/michael/newbies.html
=> `newbies.html'
Resolving www.atlasmagazine.com... 65.18.170.134
Connecting to www.atlasmagazine.com|65.18.170.134|:80... connected
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 11,683 [text/html]
100%[====================================>] 11,683 21.94K/s
19:53:51 (21.94 KB/s) - `newbies.html' saved [11683/11683]
--19:53:49-- http://www.atlasmagazine.com/michael/newbies.html
=> `newbies.html'
Resolving www.atlasmagazine.com... 65.18.170.134
Connecting to www.atlasmagazine.com|65.18.170.134|:80... connected
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 11,683 [text/html]
100%[====================================>] 11,683 21.94K/s
19:53:51 (21.94 KB/s) - `newbies.html' saved [11683/11683]
may i quote a missing part of stelthz's post, deliberately out of context?
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MORON. TAKE YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS AND PAY ATTENTION. WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE FUCKING ***-INTERNAL ***** SYSTEM. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE *** INTERNET *******. NOBODY GIVES A FLYING FUCK THAT YOU CAN TRANSFER SHIT INTERNAL TO ***.
flying fuck? african or european?
Column: Annoying shane
Age, irritating people contribute to lack of enjoyment
Published on Wednesday, February 5, 2005
Micah Hawkinson
Kansas State Collegian
I'm getting too old for shane.
Yes, I know that seems melodramatic and premature, but I'm afraid it's a fact.
I realized this simple, profoundly depressing truth last week when I went with some friends to a concert in Lawrence. The star-studded bill boasted the likes of Vendetta Red, the Juliana Theory and Something Corporate.
I was wearing my favorite concert attire: baggy jeans and a yellow, half-polyester city-league softball shirt from a town I've never been to. I had it all: freedom from the confines of fashion, an ironic postmodern commentary on society and the satisfaction of wearing thrift-shop clothes in public. In short, the stage was set for me to rock out.
And I, sad to say, came up short.
My discomfiture set in shortly after we arrived at the concert's venue -- a run-down, smoke-filled public house known variously as the Granada or the Granasty, depending on who you ask.
We got there during Vendetta Red's last song, which sounded vaguely like an exploding steam pipe combined with one of those chainsaw competitions they always put on ESPN2 when all I really want to see is some Williams sisters tennis action. Apparently, the sound person had just learned how to use the distortion and echo features, and he was still overly excited with his discovery.
The result was a festival of pain in my cochlea cavity, and I was invited. Oh, the fiery, fiery anguish.
But it didn't stop with the acrid stench of tobacco smoke and the cacophonous banshee of ear-shattering aural pollution. No, if those had been the only drawbacks, I would have gladly rocked to the idiotic offerings of Shane and been on my way with a song in my heart.
Unfortunately for humanity, the pain went deeper than mere sensory annoyances. The worst part of the experience was the enormous number of high school computer geeks.
You probably know the breed. They're a lot like their older counterparts, the record store clerks -- they dress pretentiously, talk more than anyone wants them to and can't seem to understand that it's just music.
The main difference between these kids and most record store clerks is that the clerks tend to know what on God's green earth they're talking about. And I had to stand in front of a group of these pretentious teens for periods of up to 30 minutes without the blessing of eardrum-splitting music to drown out their inane, irrelevant conversation.
Certain things should never be inflicted on anyone, which is why the Geneva Convention was made. In my humble opinion, they should add "having to listen to obnoxious know-it-alls" to the list of crimes against humanity.
There is nothing quite as annoying as listening to a flock of geeks argue about minutia that, in the long run, don't matter a whit to anyone except the arguers. If I ever have to listen to another discussion about the relative merits of various $5,000-range concert amplifiers, I will stab myself in the face with a rusty length of rebar.
Most annoying, though, were the conversations these kids obviously knew nothing about. Dating, for instance. You could tell from one look at them that they'd never had -- and probably never will have, for that matter -- any opportunity to learn about what comprises a healthy dating relationship.
I'm getting old, all right. And even though I can stand the deafening music and lingering odors of stale smoke and flat beer, I don't know if I'll ever be able to handle being around kids who remind me that much of myself when I was their age.
Age, irritating people contribute to lack of enjoyment
Published on Wednesday, February 5, 2005
Micah Hawkinson
Kansas State Collegian
I'm getting too old for shane.
Yes, I know that seems melodramatic and premature, but I'm afraid it's a fact.
I realized this simple, profoundly depressing truth last week when I went with some friends to a concert in Lawrence. The star-studded bill boasted the likes of Vendetta Red, the Juliana Theory and Something Corporate.
I was wearing my favorite concert attire: baggy jeans and a yellow, half-polyester city-league softball shirt from a town I've never been to. I had it all: freedom from the confines of fashion, an ironic postmodern commentary on society and the satisfaction of wearing thrift-shop clothes in public. In short, the stage was set for me to rock out.
And I, sad to say, came up short.
My discomfiture set in shortly after we arrived at the concert's venue -- a run-down, smoke-filled public house known variously as the Granada or the Granasty, depending on who you ask.
We got there during Vendetta Red's last song, which sounded vaguely like an exploding steam pipe combined with one of those chainsaw competitions they always put on ESPN2 when all I really want to see is some Williams sisters tennis action. Apparently, the sound person had just learned how to use the distortion and echo features, and he was still overly excited with his discovery.
The result was a festival of pain in my cochlea cavity, and I was invited. Oh, the fiery, fiery anguish.
But it didn't stop with the acrid stench of tobacco smoke and the cacophonous banshee of ear-shattering aural pollution. No, if those had been the only drawbacks, I would have gladly rocked to the idiotic offerings of Shane and been on my way with a song in my heart.
Unfortunately for humanity, the pain went deeper than mere sensory annoyances. The worst part of the experience was the enormous number of high school computer geeks.
You probably know the breed. They're a lot like their older counterparts, the record store clerks -- they dress pretentiously, talk more than anyone wants them to and can't seem to understand that it's just music.
The main difference between these kids and most record store clerks is that the clerks tend to know what on God's green earth they're talking about. And I had to stand in front of a group of these pretentious teens for periods of up to 30 minutes without the blessing of eardrum-splitting music to drown out their inane, irrelevant conversation.
Certain things should never be inflicted on anyone, which is why the Geneva Convention was made. In my humble opinion, they should add "having to listen to obnoxious know-it-alls" to the list of crimes against humanity.
There is nothing quite as annoying as listening to a flock of geeks argue about minutia that, in the long run, don't matter a whit to anyone except the arguers. If I ever have to listen to another discussion about the relative merits of various $5,000-range concert amplifiers, I will stab myself in the face with a rusty length of rebar.
Most annoying, though, were the conversations these kids obviously knew nothing about. Dating, for instance. You could tell from one look at them that they'd never had -- and probably never will have, for that matter -- any opportunity to learn about what comprises a healthy dating relationship.
I'm getting old, all right. And even though I can stand the deafening music and lingering odors of stale smoke and flat beer, I don't know if I'll ever be able to handle being around kids who remind me that much of myself when I was their age.
Stelthz writes so elaborate articles, he ought to publish them in a diskmag. (E.g. Pain.)
kurva anyátok, fejezzétek már be a pofázást! köcsögök.
Jol estet kivanyok.
lofasz lusta!
Stelthz, you rise up in my esteem :
U have understood my need for english vocabulary
and
your wget html rip with your sed language knowledge of string replacement and redirection lead me to understand a lot of things.
That you consider myself as a newby is obvious now
and I must said you are wrong.
The internet is a TRAP, that's my point :
a good replacement for TV.
Before we were in front of the screen watching "Chantal Goya / Les
muscles, ..." and such highly intellectually programs.
Nowadays we have the net :
we have the ability to choose from more and more programs.
Of course reading is better for the intellect than watching.
That's why I don't love watching demos : I'm too passive doing so.
The entrance in reality is to understand there is several realities :
one in your mind, one in your hand,
one in the mind of others, one in the hand of others.
It's so to understand there is something else than ideas.
And something others than information :
experimenting the reality using your legs to get into is good.
Your eyes in front of a screen and imagination enable you to enter a
dream, but your body is a better shuttle than your imagination.
Talking, seeing others non sceners is also good for communication :
if everybody stay for ever in front of a screen then we start to be old
before age.
Talking, seeing others non sceners is also good for intellect :
finding that others have different point of views,
different way of thinking, different weaknesses, different main interest
than you allow you to enrich yourself.
Of course if computers are your only love in life,
it appears a bit like a betrayal.
But it isn't : it enables you to taste several things and that's life.
I have 5 girls in my life not to have sex as it don't interest myself.
I'm more interested by spirits, different points of views.
Girls have a different point of view about life, a different brain too :
they have a multitasking OS integrated and so bugs quite often,
they do not have the same perception of order,
but they are good in network and communication.
I mean they are able to read something while writing,
they can follow several communications at the same time,
they have a lot of female friends and share a lot.
And they don't fight for nothing, usually they don't fight a lot.
They have a strange power called love.
I think girls have a good brain,
different from mine but totally complementary.
I've spend a lot of time with girls,
my amiga features a "girly" OS :
true premptive multitasking OS running on less than 8 MHz.
This was a really good coded OS,
and nowadays I "enjoy" something totally different called Windows !
Hopefully MHz (well GHz !), RAM and big hd are now available
else it would be totally unusuable.
It's perhaps an OS which was based on the medium American brain...
And TV and ads and violence are really more present in USA,
like waste.
Scene have follow obviously not understanding these shades,
interested by speed and power.
But power and speed are useless without control.
PC hardware architecture isn't perfect and nobody have the same machine.
So as our computer is our most present "person" in our life,
this "hardware friend", leads us to be a bit chaotic and complex.
We copy his "behaviour".
Clicking Start button to stop the computer is something strange you know.
But I do it now, see you later so.
U have understood my need for english vocabulary
and
your wget html rip with your sed language knowledge of string replacement and redirection lead me to understand a lot of things.
That you consider myself as a newby is obvious now
and I must said you are wrong.
The internet is a TRAP, that's my point :
a good replacement for TV.
Before we were in front of the screen watching "Chantal Goya / Les
muscles, ..." and such highly intellectually programs.
Nowadays we have the net :
we have the ability to choose from more and more programs.
Of course reading is better for the intellect than watching.
That's why I don't love watching demos : I'm too passive doing so.
The entrance in reality is to understand there is several realities :
one in your mind, one in your hand,
one in the mind of others, one in the hand of others.
It's so to understand there is something else than ideas.
And something others than information :
experimenting the reality using your legs to get into is good.
Your eyes in front of a screen and imagination enable you to enter a
dream, but your body is a better shuttle than your imagination.
Talking, seeing others non sceners is also good for communication :
if everybody stay for ever in front of a screen then we start to be old
before age.
Talking, seeing others non sceners is also good for intellect :
finding that others have different point of views,
different way of thinking, different weaknesses, different main interest
than you allow you to enrich yourself.
Of course if computers are your only love in life,
it appears a bit like a betrayal.
But it isn't : it enables you to taste several things and that's life.
I have 5 girls in my life not to have sex as it don't interest myself.
I'm more interested by spirits, different points of views.
Girls have a different point of view about life, a different brain too :
they have a multitasking OS integrated and so bugs quite often,
they do not have the same perception of order,
but they are good in network and communication.
I mean they are able to read something while writing,
they can follow several communications at the same time,
they have a lot of female friends and share a lot.
And they don't fight for nothing, usually they don't fight a lot.
They have a strange power called love.
I think girls have a good brain,
different from mine but totally complementary.
I've spend a lot of time with girls,
my amiga features a "girly" OS :
true premptive multitasking OS running on less than 8 MHz.
This was a really good coded OS,
and nowadays I "enjoy" something totally different called Windows !
Hopefully MHz (well GHz !), RAM and big hd are now available
else it would be totally unusuable.
It's perhaps an OS which was based on the medium American brain...
And TV and ads and violence are really more present in USA,
like waste.
Scene have follow obviously not understanding these shades,
interested by speed and power.
But power and speed are useless without control.
PC hardware architecture isn't perfect and nobody have the same machine.
So as our computer is our most present "person" in our life,
this "hardware friend", leads us to be a bit chaotic and complex.
We copy his "behaviour".
Clicking Start button to stop the computer is something strange you know.
But I do it now, see you later so.
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Gargaj : Point taken. I want to make my demo into a DVD. Please
pay me the production costs.
1/ First of all I must said that I've seen Ur web site and honestly, I
think you can give me lessons about HTML / XML / DHTML / Web : I will
hire U for the KB reply web page, this way I will reach more audience,
thanks U for help.
2/ I will answer about DVD questions now :
madenmann :
a.Who do you think should make the DVD mastering?
Do U know that DVD burner / rewriter are available for less than 45£ /
69€. 2 years ago this was ten times this price for a really slow DVD
burner, now they are 16X and dual layer meaning you will get demos burned
in no time.
The medium DVD/R 4,7Gb cost here at London, 1£ / 1.5€ per DVD for
TDK branded ones. That's far cheaper than CD-R for the data size : a 700
Mb ones cast 0.2€ so 0.13£, means 4.7Gb of CD storage costs 4.7/0.7*0.2=
1.34€ < 1.5€. Imagine if you buy more than 1, the price will fall down.
Well to do the DVD mastering means an organisation to be done.
Why not pouet ?
A DVD burning orga which must receive by web / ftp / mail demos
or more cleverly get all them on a DVD / RW at parties.
So a DVD burn don't cost so much to be done, far less ppl involved and
far less time than maintaining big web sites.
b.How long have I to wait for my DVD when a party is over?
Ha, that's the price to pay : you will get stuff less often.
You can get a full DVD (4.7Gb sized) with 450 (some room is taken by TOC
and Filesystem)of 10 Mb demos each time so much datas is released.
You get them by snail mail.
Let said, one DVD by month or more realistically each three monthes.
Yes, wait so much time and so what ?
That's good to wait to get stuff, this give it a lots of value :
if film director were as fast as demomakers to produce, we will get 30
films per month to see at cinema and quality (which is already low) would
be even more lower.
So yes DVD distribution and production needs some time and that's good :
this time you will not lost it spending time downloading and this time
you're not alone to spend it, there is me, there is all sceners who
download demos in fact. I'd rather that 5 ppl in the world do only DVD
burning than 3000 doing downloading + 30 doing web maintenance.
And you can get everything from a party in one DVD, no need to worry
about demos links not working.
Less reactive but more efficient when it comes to manage time and energy.
c.How will the DVDs been spread to the millions of costumers all over the world?
Millions customers ?
Whow, demos don't and will never interest million ppl in the world, just
few computer addicts. So distribution will be done by standard mail
post and it will cost obviously a single stamp price for 450 demos, less
than all your ISP costs for 3 months.
Please notice that millions ppl world wide still use post for sending
objects and no demoscene DVD prods will not bring them to die due to
so huge another charge to manage : 5000 DVD each 6 months, that's enough.
Please notice that as U will have in standard a DVD burner soon, U will
be able to do the copy of the DVD you will get from a friend : ha yeah,
the return of the good guy, the so called useless swapper KB talk about..
.
d.I see I pay every month some Euros for my broadband connection which I use for downloading demos.
How much will I probably spend for the DVDs?
Costs computation are written higher, see by yourself.
In france I have for 30€ a 25 Mb/s ADSL II line per month, 2€ or 1.5£
per 450 demos DVD in my mailbox, compute by yourself the time it will
take you and others to get all these demos on your HD according to your
modem speed. In london, I have for 25£ a 1Mb cable line per month.
You will see so that DVD will cost lower in both time and money, energy
and stressless download link added.
/me will regret to feed the troll, but whatever
On the other hand, why would I pay 2€ to have a receive some demos 3 months later, while with an unlimited broadband connection ( which I'd keep even if I were to buy those useless DVDs because I don't use it just to DL some demos ) I and actually anybody can download them as soon as they are released ? Oh and in fact the DVDs will cost certainly more than 2€ as the production will be rather limited. I'd rather say ~12€ per DVD.
Sweet heart.
Quote:
You're a sweet heart but the ADSL II is available only in very limited amount of areas. Everywhere else you have either a prehistoric 56Kb/s or a 2Mb/s in DL and 128Kb/s in UL where the ADSL is available. And for such line the fee is between 15 and 30€ per month.In france I have for 30€ a 25 Mb/s ADSL II line per month, 2€ or 1.5£
per 450 demos DVD in my mailbox, compute by yourself the time it will
take you and others to get all these demos on your HD according to your
modem speed.
On the other hand, why would I pay 2€ to have a receive some demos 3 months later, while with an unlimited broadband connection ( which I'd keep even if I were to buy those useless DVDs because I don't use it just to DL some demos ) I and actually anybody can download them as soon as they are released ? Oh and in fact the DVDs will cost certainly more than 2€ as the production will be rather limited. I'd rather say ~12€ per DVD.
Quote:
Who will pay these DVDs and their burning in the first time ? who will spend the time to gather and burn the 450 prods to put on these DVD ?You will see so that DVD will cost lower in both time and money, energy
and stressless download link added.
Sweet heart.
"to have a receive" = "to receive"
:p the textarea is too small
Oh, and of course if a company were to gather 450 demos to burn them on a DVD and distribute, that company will have to contact ALL the authors of these prods before to have their agreement and eventually/certainly make a contract and return them some royalties. Do you solely have a little idea of the amount of work, money, legal troubles it would represent ?
:p the textarea is too small
Oh, and of course if a company were to gather 450 demos to burn them on a DVD and distribute, that company will have to contact ALL the authors of these prods before to have their agreement and eventually/certainly make a contract and return them some royalties. Do you solely have a little idea of the amount of work, money, legal troubles it would represent ?