Audio/music stuff
category: music [glöplog]
@bitnaughty: If you won't take advice from Ruairi, then perhaps you'll take it from me: I'm afraid he's right. And he's doing you a favour by expressing it in a not-so-tactful way: the tactful approach relies on you picking up on subtle social cues, which you're failing to do.
To give an example: you'll have noticed that up to now I've been quietly ignoring your "can I have your email address? Let's chat" requests. This was the relatively polite, civil way of turning down your request. It was also a totally cowardly and ineffective one. If I was a cool, sensible, straight-talking person like Ruairi, Gargaj or Meaty, I would have said something like this:
Better late than never, I guess.
For most people, coming straight out and saying "OK, what you're doing is annoying" isn't in their nature. It's not in mine, and I can say for sure it's not in Ruairi's. For every one person who does say it, you can bet that there are ten more who are thinking it but taking the tactful route and staying quiet. And you can't judge anything from the fact that two out of three threads *didn't* end in that.
Maybe you don't think you'll get anything meaningful from a Google search for "making music", but you apparently knew that "samples" and "tracker" were possible search terms. And as soon as you got the first reply saying "yes, you need a tracker", that was your cue to read up on trackers, and maybe actually download one and try one out, not to bombard the person who replied with more questions. (Once you do try out a tracker, you'll probably have more questions again, but they'll be *informed* questions, and you'll find that people are more tolerant when you've put in the effort to learn for yourself.) Likewise on the other thread - when you hear the terms PNaCl and Typescript, *those* are things you can google, instead of firing straight back with "what's PNaCl?"
To give an example: you'll have noticed that up to now I've been quietly ignoring your "can I have your email address? Let's chat" requests. This was the relatively polite, civil way of turning down your request. It was also a totally cowardly and ineffective one. If I was a cool, sensible, straight-talking person like Ruairi, Gargaj or Meaty, I would have said something like this:
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No. I don't get into email chit-chat at the best of times, and certainly not if it's going to end up with me spoon-feeding you with information you could find out on Google.
Better late than never, I guess.
For most people, coming straight out and saying "OK, what you're doing is annoying" isn't in their nature. It's not in mine, and I can say for sure it's not in Ruairi's. For every one person who does say it, you can bet that there are ten more who are thinking it but taking the tactful route and staying quiet. And you can't judge anything from the fact that two out of three threads *didn't* end in that.
Maybe you don't think you'll get anything meaningful from a Google search for "making music", but you apparently knew that "samples" and "tracker" were possible search terms. And as soon as you got the first reply saying "yes, you need a tracker", that was your cue to read up on trackers, and maybe actually download one and try one out, not to bombard the person who replied with more questions. (Once you do try out a tracker, you'll probably have more questions again, but they'll be *informed* questions, and you'll find that people are more tolerant when you've put in the effort to learn for yourself.) Likewise on the other thread - when you hear the terms PNaCl and Typescript, *those* are things you can google, instead of firing straight back with "what's PNaCl?"
what ruairi and gasman said.
bitnaughty: if you don't trust google or any other search engine to bring you answers to your questions (...?!) then why not ask in any of the stack exchange sites? asking trillions of trivial, offtopic or unrelated stuff here will probably get you bashed by the community and/or banned from pouet eventually...
did you know they took the word 'gullible' out of the dictionary?
I love how he went from asking question to expert in what music is and should be in just a few posts.
Good work!
Good work!
Wow... lay off the speed man.
"Perhaps I should pop by Pouet, it's been a while after all - I'm sure most of the fucking nutcases have moved on by now..
Oh."
Oh."
@Defiance: Repeatedly asking low-research-effort, easily googleable questions won't win you any friends on Stack Exchange either. (It's why they have the reputation system...)
He lacks social awareness AND the fundamental technical knowledge to understand the answers to his questions. To somehow teach him both is simply not possible on a mere internet forum. Especially when he is not willing or able to do his part. On the other hand, you have knowledgeable people, who like to show off their mad skillz to get social credit. And thus, they walk right into this black hole, an endless child-like perpetual motion machine of random queries. So, they too, need to learn something. Like how to ignore time consuming trolls and attention seeking traps. :)
"Ignore" is the worst thing you can do.
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"Ignore" is the worst thing you can do.
that is why it works best.
@Bitnaughty, I found a fantastic resource online that should help with all your questions.
JUST SURF OVER TO HERE!
JUST SURF OVER TO HERE!
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It's just....my brain is somewhere in the middle....
Right - get back if you find it some day...
..Wow! I actually came BACK!! :) Replies, as expected.
Y'all lack...how do I put this....human socialisation.
aah what the fuck, I walked in a computer music place, and told them computer music is shit. What did I expect :)
gasman: That was a long, and well-thought out post, seemingly. FWIW, I have tremendous respect for you as a demoscener - specifically you actually, cause, you seem to do the exact things I would like to have done! :) You're insane, buddy... :)
It's only because it's you that I'll explain myself - I'm NOT used to doing that, and with anyone else I would have torn their head off,.... anyway..... I didn't go to the Milkytracker site, mainly cuz I use Linux, and half these things are made for Windoze, and in fact, I don't even have a hard drive, I'm running off of a USB, and it's goddamn slow. On the off chance that it has a Linux version, it's HUGELY unlikely it would work with my distro, what with this package managment and that library, and...ugh! I'm sure you know Linux. On the fantastically slim chance that it has a web version....well - would there be a way to save files? :) Actually I don't know enough about Javascript to know that - remember, I don't have a HD so localStorage or whatever is out. I will NOT save on the server side, and DEFINTELY not pay for that, in case it does that.
In fact - wouldn't YOU know something about all that? - didn't you once work on a JS .MOD player or something? :)
But besides all that.......I'm not sure I WANT to! :)...? Didn't you get that? :)
Btw, I have NO intention of asking questions to you by email, that's not at ALL what I wanted it for....all I wanted to know was - what's the size of the Javascript gaming scene like in your country? Or elsewhere that you travel? Like, are there many people doing it? That's all I wanted to know... :)
Whatever bro...I don't see the point of a discussion forum where people refuse to discuss anything...bye bye :) And btw, Ruairi is not "cool" or "sensible", he's inhuman. And all these guys of course, but - .....whatever. Out.
Y'all lack...how do I put this....human socialisation.
aah what the fuck, I walked in a computer music place, and told them computer music is shit. What did I expect :)
gasman: That was a long, and well-thought out post, seemingly. FWIW, I have tremendous respect for you as a demoscener - specifically you actually, cause, you seem to do the exact things I would like to have done! :) You're insane, buddy... :)
It's only because it's you that I'll explain myself - I'm NOT used to doing that, and with anyone else I would have torn their head off,.... anyway..... I didn't go to the Milkytracker site, mainly cuz I use Linux, and half these things are made for Windoze, and in fact, I don't even have a hard drive, I'm running off of a USB, and it's goddamn slow. On the off chance that it has a Linux version, it's HUGELY unlikely it would work with my distro, what with this package managment and that library, and...ugh! I'm sure you know Linux. On the fantastically slim chance that it has a web version....well - would there be a way to save files? :) Actually I don't know enough about Javascript to know that - remember, I don't have a HD so localStorage or whatever is out. I will NOT save on the server side, and DEFINTELY not pay for that, in case it does that.
In fact - wouldn't YOU know something about all that? - didn't you once work on a JS .MOD player or something? :)
But besides all that.......I'm not sure I WANT to! :)...? Didn't you get that? :)
Btw, I have NO intention of asking questions to you by email, that's not at ALL what I wanted it for....all I wanted to know was - what's the size of the Javascript gaming scene like in your country? Or elsewhere that you travel? Like, are there many people doing it? That's all I wanted to know... :)
Whatever bro...I don't see the point of a discussion forum where people refuse to discuss anything...bye bye :) And btw, Ruairi is not "cool" or "sensible", he's inhuman. And all these guys of course, but - .....whatever. Out.
Permanently.
Hahaha! What a ride!
RIP bitnaughty 2010-2017. You literally accomplished nothing.
"Btw, I have NO intention of asking questions to you by email, that's not at ALL what I wanted it for....all I wanted to know was" *asks a bunch of questions*
I might actually miss this guy.
I might actually miss this guy.
Jeez, what a moron...
What a tragic loss for the community.
May he surprise us all with an awesome (working) 256b chess game in the far distant future. ;)
Posting this wall of text probably literally took longer than visiting the Milkytracker website for finding out whether there is a Linux version or not.
Let alone typing Linux tracker on Google.
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And btw, Ruairi is not "cool" or "sensible", he's inhuman. And all these guys of course, but - .....whatever. Out.
It began in 2005, and finally 12 years later, the saga is over.
(bitnaughty, parapete, me, bonkers)
Stay respectable folks!
Holy shit, he actually went to a demo party? 😮