Wikipedia's war on the demoscene
category: general [glöplog]
i have set up a mediawiki install here, but its still blank since im not sure what to actually do with it...
I guess I could set something up, add a few more admins (if anyone is interested) and probably also use shifters old db (although i never visited the scene.nl wiki, but im sure theres some gems in there still).
I hardly doubt there will be an army of volunteers to turn the wiki into a serious demoscene-wikipedia but maybe its still good for a few laughs and nostalgia?
oh, and the site badly needs a logo too ;p
I guess I could set something up, add a few more admins (if anyone is interested) and probably also use shifters old db (although i never visited the scene.nl wiki, but im sure theres some gems in there still).
I hardly doubt there will be an army of volunteers to turn the wiki into a serious demoscene-wikipedia but maybe its still good for a few laughs and nostalgia?
oh, and the site badly needs a logo too ;p
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i have set up a mediawiki install here, but its still blank since im not sure what to actually do with it...
I guess I could set something up, add a few more admins (if anyone is interested) and probably also use shifters old db (although i never visited the scene.nl wiki, but im sure theres some gems in there still).
I hardly doubt there will be an army of volunteers to turn the wiki into a serious demoscene-wikipedia but maybe its still good for a few laughs and nostalgia?
oh, and the site badly needs a logo too ;p
Well, I'm interested in this project :)
It'd be nice to have a proper demoscene wiki going.
"Wikipedia Started Deleting Demoscene Articles, And You Won't BELIEVE What Happened!"
"I prefer to see that there is room for progression to go with the reminiscing" -yes.
I wish I could click on Glooms link!
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Well, I'm interested in this project :)
It'd be nice to have a proper demoscene wiki going.
Until Barti and Magic finds it.
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Until Barti and Magic finds it.
The pages on the Russian ZX scene will be popcorn-inducing as well :)
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I suspect this is probably in reference to bitter exchanges in connection with the site originally being taken off-line
Nah, more like the whining akin of Amiga persecution complex regarding Wikipedia, with the occasional "well, do something about it then" post that gets completely ignored. Okkie told me about this thread in milder terms and it's everything he promised.
I'm not sure what the rest of your statement is about :)
Not really sure how it could be misinterpreted since it's a direct response to your sentence above it. Where you wave the scene wiki before our noses and tell us how easy it would be to set it up again :)
why not use demozoo? it has group info :)
it'd help the scene as such much much more if everyone would just make a demo about it.
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why not use demozoo? it has group info :)
Production info too. Most bigger groups are fairly well covered by now, but some more helping hands would be nice, of course :)
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Not really sure how it could be misinterpreted since it's a direct response to your sentence above it. Where you wave the scene wiki before our noses and tell us how easy it would be to set it up again :)
That's what you got out of this? That's ...novel :)
I've been trying to transfer this to somebody for a few years -to a response of pretty much nothing. Wysiwtf is the first to actually bite and I'd love to hand it over to somebody who really wants to do something (arguably better) with it. It'll need unreasonable amounts of work though.
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I've been trying to transfer this to somebody for a few years -to a response of pretty much nothing.
Says everyone who took on an giant infrastructure project for a geek subculture ever. Kudos to those everyone.
I umpteenth the idea of Demozoo as our archive, provided it has a suitable remote backup service set up.
Are we done now?
And note: Pouet is different from Demozoo, so we need that too.
Shifter: well, that's what you did, and that's what you said. You've already acknowledged the bitter exchange I claimed was the reason for your first post, so it seems we understand each other perfectly. ;)
Yeah, I referred to the work involved early in this thread. Though I think there are two types of alternative sites we're after, if Wikipedia should delete all articles and pretend the demoscene never happened: 1) A Wikipedia replacement, explaining the 'thing' and 2) prod/video databases with group member info, prod detail info, and 'lore'. 2) is not a Wikipedia replacement and is completely within the subculture and uninteresting to outsiders. Instead it's "another demo database". I can see that work on a platform by platform basis, and one could consolidate efforts within each platform.
Anyway, the topic is demoscene articles on Wikipedia. They're not going away, so maybe the constructive way is to improve them, as I have.
Yeah, I referred to the work involved early in this thread. Though I think there are two types of alternative sites we're after, if Wikipedia should delete all articles and pretend the demoscene never happened: 1) A Wikipedia replacement, explaining the 'thing' and 2) prod/video databases with group member info, prod detail info, and 'lore'. 2) is not a Wikipedia replacement and is completely within the subculture and uninteresting to outsiders. Instead it's "another demo database". I can see that work on a platform by platform basis, and one could consolidate efforts within each platform.
Anyway, the topic is demoscene articles on Wikipedia. They're not going away, so maybe the constructive way is to improve them, as I have.
the only 'downside' for using demozoo is that it is not really clearly an informative website, i mean, everyone knows the purpose wikipedia, so know that when reading up on 'future crew' it explains stuff about that group. in that regard it is a shame wikipedia drops such articles. for the outside world an encyclopedic description might make more sense, and presence on wikipedia gives more credibility to the info. (as yes, 99% still think everything on wikipedia is the absolute truth and if it is not on wikipedia is must be really obscure ... the latter even i sometimes think when checking up on small bands :P)
We could, of course, also just release a demoscene encyclopedia embedded in a traditional diskmag interface. That would give the whole thing a scenish touch.
or carve it in stone on top of a mountain, if we're discussing old media all of a sudden! ;)
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the only 'downside' for using demozoo is that it is not really clearly an informative website, i mean, everyone knows the purpose wikipedia, so know that when reading up on 'future crew' it explains stuff about that group.
Nail, meet hammer. Demozoo fills the imdb (and/or discogs) role with a slew of neat additions. Telling stories and giving weird people a tiny platform to complain about details and semantics in the talk pages is for another place.
Let's try to collect all the mentions of demoscene things in commercial publications ("reliable sources" for Wikipedia) in some place. Using this database, we can defend the articles.
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Let's try to collect all the mentions of demoscene things in commercial publications
Let's talk about you doing at the Wiki. fucking moderator(
just tell them we're all CGI hotshots working in Hollywood. worked in 2005, should work now too!
Alone_Coder: see http://www.kameli.net/demoresearch2/?page_id=4.
These are research papers only. What is needed is demoscene references in interviews of famous people, demoscene news in ordinary magazines and printed (not self-published) books etc.