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Nor does anyone else with a clue, so just give it a rest with the straw men already.


Not to go all fact-Nazi on your anecdotal evidence, but Triton was a Swedish PC group - not a French Amiga-group.


No, it's not. They're both well-documented.


Correct, and thank you for finally admitting that we're talking about three different scenes - can we please focus on talking about the demoscene now?

Who said it did?

What the fuck is going in this thread.

Global point being : the demoscene did not originate in Europe.

If anywhere (and it surely is incorrect) ,it originated in North America, because :

1) that's where the computers were sold on the market first prior to Europe ;
2) the BBS scene that distributed the cracks was anterior and more developed there than in Europe (US Robotics gave out North American BBS free modems if you splashed their logo for example in the mid-eighties) ;
3) the BBS scene superseeded the snail mail distrinutions, notably the PD disks which notably with NewTek's toaster previews could be seen as the premises of demoscene.

So the only way to pretend the demoscene originated in Europe would be to provide snail mails of exchanged pirated copies of floppies from Europe. Even there, for the reason of anteriority mentioned above as to where computers originated first preceeding the need for illegal copies, one would be hard-pressed to push foward European prevalence.

Demoscene originated in North America, but the demos were still made for PAL-machines? :D

Actually, the demoscene originated near the coastal border of Namibia and Angola, where the earliest fossil evidence of Homo sapiens is found.

Baudsurfer: so -- just to get this straight -- your argument is equal to this one:

A tomato is the same as a pizza, because:

1) pizzas have tomato sauce
and
2) you use tomatoes to make tomato sauce

Brilliant deduction. Now, please start making sense or just stop talking please.

i always thought that the demoscene was more like a movement rather than a phenomenon...

gasman, actually demoscene began when pyrite was first formed

lol, this thread

if we go down that road to bend history in one's own favor, please do remember, the Europeans created North-America as you know it! you'd be drawing demos in a cave with Humping Fox, Snorting Bull and Billy the Tiger if it wasnt for us! so even IF the demoscene started in the US, we started the US. NA NA NA NANANAAAA NA!

Before someone start posting a pony...

Traditional Dakota/Lakota people firmly believe that the aboriginal North American horse did not become extinct after the last Ice Age, and that it was part of their precontact culture.

I found the statement about the demoscene community to be interesting. In my understanding the current discussion is not about any sort of people who enjoy programming computer graphics, but about the very community that is represented by pouet.net, Assembly, Breakpoint, Revision, Hugi, Zine, etc. I am sure that there are many people who are interested in graphics programming but are not related to "our" community. And I wouldn't call them "demosceners"; demosceners are only those who are part of "our" community.

I found ham's statement slightly more interested than that :]

interesting... fuck

at least ham's statement didn't contain an unnecessary mention of Hugi! ;)

For some reason I knew Hugi will be mentioned :]

Oh, it's already past end of that year, yet he is still around... People, we have a paradox here. I guess we should stop taking Adok seriously, he lied to us.

Germans were the first, no doubt :)

Wouldn't be the first or the last time methinks.

germans? lies! the dutch invented demoparties, so in terms of community building, it is our fault!

the austrians invented hugi tho. in terms of community building, it's a miracle the scene still exists!

Maybe quiting the scene is not producing? And hanging around the pouet!=scene?

Then quitting the scene is not nice. Maybe we should quit hanging around pouet.