Renaissance (USA demogroup) -- help wanted
category: general [glöplog]
Hey Dominei, please let (self proclamed) scene historians write scene history you st00pid n00b! ;)
Damn, how did we do when Wikipedia & Radman weren't around? It was probably a dark age of ignorance and obscurantism
Let's all praise our new demoscene messiah Radman \o/
*praise*
oh bless him the saviour of the demoscene.. bringing demoscene to utah! (for crying out loud! UTAH!)
oh bless him the saviour of the demoscene.. bringing demoscene to utah! (for crying out loud! UTAH!)
I'm hardly the saviour of anything and you guys know that. For example, the title of this post is called "Renaissance (USA demogroup) -- help wanted" -- meaning I can't do this alone. I don't want to. If I have to, I will.
well radman theyre right...
it surely makes sense to post something about the demoscene at whole on wikipedia but i dont see any reason for flooding it with groupnames. especially not if theyre unknown and unimportant and/or contains useless and contraproductive infos (like with failight).
it dont helps the scene - its useless.
it surely makes sense to post something about the demoscene at whole on wikipedia but i dont see any reason for flooding it with groupnames. especially not if theyre unknown and unimportant and/or contains useless and contraproductive infos (like with failight).
it dont helps the scene - its useless.
"They", whoever that is, are not right.
I did not start the Fairlight article.
I did not start the Kosmic article, either.
If someone can point out some factual inaccuracies I've made in any article, by all means please provide me with a correction.
No one has done so.
I did not start the Fairlight article.
I did not start the Kosmic article, either.
If someone can point out some factual inaccuracies I've made in any article, by all means please provide me with a correction.
No one has done so.
i didnt said that you posted it. it was a general statement about the whole "lets spam groups and idividuals at wiki" thing.
and some (not only euro weenies or howerver our mormon friends called us) ppl see it as attack on us and the history of the scene if someone posts some unimportant groups there and tries to pretend that the USA dominates the scene.
yeah i know we could bring it into balance again if we would spam some euro groups too ... but we dont see a sense behind it.
and some (not only euro weenies or howerver our mormon friends called us) ppl see it as attack on us and the history of the scene if someone posts some unimportant groups there and tries to pretend that the USA dominates the scene.
yeah i know we could bring it into balance again if we would spam some euro groups too ... but we dont see a sense behind it.
radman is the preacher of microcosmic make-belief!
Can you please show me an article where it says (or pretends) that the "USA dominates the scene"?
I can't find such an article on Wikipedia.
Who is the preacher of make believe again?
I can't find such an article on Wikipedia.
Who is the preacher of make believe again?
I'm patient. Take your time.
Oh RaD Man, my friend...
If there was a 'top tröllers' categorie on pouet, you would be at the top, even our very active friend from Canada couldn't beat you. ;)
You are the perfect troll... no, the perfect enemy here, we have a pic of "the bad guy", we know our mission, we all can fight together against such a bastard. This mission brings the scene back together. I'm really surprised that this happened, I didn't believed it before. :)
To be a bit more serious about wikipedia... I really like it, but it often contains much information which doesn't really makes sense for a encyclopedia. If there would be one big (and good) article about the demoscene it would be much better than it is now, with many small and not really informative articles.
Example: Pilgrimage
A person who doesn't now much (or anything) about the demoscene would ask him-/herself what "Combined Music" could be. I now a bit about demoscene and still don't know what a Wildcard-compo is. Are people throwing there their best * and ? in a pot to see whom's will win against all others?
Ok, pilgrimage may be a bad example, since it is "our" topic. Something completly different: When I first noticed the article about the Mega Drive I was really annoyed by some editors who might thought adding all technical specifications is a good thing. Reality is, it doesn't make a sence. And that comes from an MD lover... It's the same with the demoscene, some texts for Wikipedia (would) make sence, but not every detail.
For the topic of this thread: Sorry, I don't know anything of relevance about that group, but you are free to use the screenshot I did for their [nothing on] musicdisk if you want. But I doubt that due to the bad quality. ;)
Last sentence of this post: I hope I can share a beer with you and Patrick at Breakpoint 2005. :)
If there was a 'top tröllers' categorie on pouet, you would be at the top, even our very active friend from Canada couldn't beat you. ;)
You are the perfect troll... no, the perfect enemy here, we have a pic of "the bad guy", we know our mission, we all can fight together against such a bastard. This mission brings the scene back together. I'm really surprised that this happened, I didn't believed it before. :)
To be a bit more serious about wikipedia... I really like it, but it often contains much information which doesn't really makes sense for a encyclopedia. If there would be one big (and good) article about the demoscene it would be much better than it is now, with many small and not really informative articles.
Example: Pilgrimage
- Pilgrimage hosts a variety of different competitions, such as:
- Demo
- Combined Music
- Pixel Graphics
- Text Mode Graphics
- Blender (Fastmade)
- Wildcard
A person who doesn't now much (or anything) about the demoscene would ask him-/herself what "Combined Music" could be. I now a bit about demoscene and still don't know what a Wildcard-compo is. Are people throwing there their best * and ? in a pot to see whom's will win against all others?
Ok, pilgrimage may be a bad example, since it is "our" topic. Something completly different: When I first noticed the article about the Mega Drive I was really annoyed by some editors who might thought adding all technical specifications is a good thing. Reality is, it doesn't make a sence. And that comes from an MD lover... It's the same with the demoscene, some texts for Wikipedia (would) make sence, but not every detail.
For the topic of this thread: Sorry, I don't know anything of relevance about that group, but you are free to use the screenshot I did for their [nothing on] musicdisk if you want. But I doubt that due to the bad quality. ;)
Last sentence of this post: I hope I can share a beer with you and Patrick at Breakpoint 2005. :)
keops: dont steal my concept :(
keops must have something against linuxmafia.com, it's either overloaded or behind a 56k modem.
MadenMann,
You are exactly right, Wikipedia does have articles on subjects which do not normally appear in a traditional encyclopaedia. There is a common saying amongst Wikipedians that "Wikipedia is not paper", meaning they have the capacity to capture much more content than a traditional series or set of books ever could. Wikipedia is intended not to by myopic, that is one of its assets.
With regards to Pilgrimage, "Combined Music" category means that the competition has trackers competing against a much more generalized digital music (i.e. XM vs MP3) because the party is not big enough to facilitate a separate compos. But you're right, that can and should be expanded upon.
What that article does not do is convey any sort of sense that USA trumps or otherwise dominates the demoscene. So you're also right again that although this can be expanded, it servers as a very bad example in making Dominei's case, nor does it contain any factual inaccuracies in its present form. This is because Dominei has no case -- if he did, he would've made it by now.
You are exactly right, Wikipedia does have articles on subjects which do not normally appear in a traditional encyclopaedia. There is a common saying amongst Wikipedians that "Wikipedia is not paper", meaning they have the capacity to capture much more content than a traditional series or set of books ever could. Wikipedia is intended not to by myopic, that is one of its assets.
With regards to Pilgrimage, "Combined Music" category means that the competition has trackers competing against a much more generalized digital music (i.e. XM vs MP3) because the party is not big enough to facilitate a separate compos. But you're right, that can and should be expanded upon.
What that article does not do is convey any sort of sense that USA trumps or otherwise dominates the demoscene. So you're also right again that although this can be expanded, it servers as a very bad example in making Dominei's case, nor does it contain any factual inaccuracies in its present form. This is because Dominei has no case -- if he did, he would've made it by now.
wow, my spelling is particularly poor today. :)
Anyhow, MadenMann brings up some valid points. I challenge others to do so!
Anyhow, MadenMann brings up some valid points. I challenge others to do so!
Why?
So you can say they have no case in bold text, therefore giving it added emphasis (and making it FAR MORE TRUE! TRUE +++++!)
It bothers me that the demoscene wikipedia page is so incredibly inaccurate. It bothers me that whenever challenged, you retreat into 'lalalalalala I can't hear you' mode. It bothers me that since Dominei has gone home for the day, and hasn't spent the last 4 hours responding to you, late in the evening in Europe, you have declared VICTORY!!!. It bothers me that as a fellow American, I'm being judged by the ugly portrait you're painting. (Which many people have basically told me, straight up, that they aren't doing, but I've got this paranoid American complex.)
But really I need to get clued and freaking ignore this. Otherwise I'm going to end up having it consume all my freaking time. Which this is absolutely not worth. The importance of this is just so freaking small.
Also, please don't think that in some way I don't like you - or what you're doing - I do like you as a person and I think a lot of what you are doing has merit. It's the method you're using which I find appaling, not you. Unfortunately in this case the actions are just... freaking annoying the hell out of me.
(and no I don't DO /ignore, I think everyone should be allowed a say. I just don't know when to walk the truck AWAY.)
So you can say they have no case in bold text, therefore giving it added emphasis (and making it FAR MORE TRUE! TRUE +++++!)
It bothers me that the demoscene wikipedia page is so incredibly inaccurate. It bothers me that whenever challenged, you retreat into 'lalalalalala I can't hear you' mode. It bothers me that since Dominei has gone home for the day, and hasn't spent the last 4 hours responding to you, late in the evening in Europe, you have declared VICTORY!!!. It bothers me that as a fellow American, I'm being judged by the ugly portrait you're painting. (Which many people have basically told me, straight up, that they aren't doing, but I've got this paranoid American complex.)
But really I need to get clued and freaking ignore this. Otherwise I'm going to end up having it consume all my freaking time. Which this is absolutely not worth. The importance of this is just so freaking small.
Also, please don't think that in some way I don't like you - or what you're doing - I do like you as a person and I think a lot of what you are doing has merit. It's the method you're using which I find appaling, not you. Unfortunately in this case the actions are just... freaking annoying the hell out of me.
(and no I don't DO /ignore, I think everyone should be allowed a say. I just don't know when to walk the truck AWAY.)
I haven't declared victory. Dominei had a chance to cite references to back up his claims and didn't. The door is never closed. When he awakens from his drunken slumber tomorrow he is welcome to attempt to engage in meaningful discussion, or continue to throw out baseless insults. His choice.
It's good that you're bothered about inaccuracies on Wikipedia, but equally sad that you're apathetic and will do nothing about it to make it better.
It's good that you're bothered about inaccuracies on Wikipedia, but equally sad that you're apathetic and will do nothing about it to make it better.
I liken this discussion very much to Rawer's Demoscene: The Art of Realtime or the pending outrage that will ensue as a result of Tomcat's book if it ever gets published.
As always, tons of people will whine and complain about how someone is getting it all wrong, but no one will step up to the plate to help make it better.
As always, tons of people will whine and complain about how someone is getting it all wrong, but no one will step up to the plate to help make it better.
Ya know... at about this time I would have liked to put some kind of sarcastic remark or such, besides the point, to derail the thread, in old demoscene tradition (as you can no doubt read on Wikipedia)...
But then it hit me... what IS the point? Has the thread been 'railed' in the first place?
But then it hit me... what IS the point? Has the thread been 'railed' in the first place?
99% of any Pouet message gets derailed within the first 10 replies, I'm quite certain of this. ;-)
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in a world full of biased information one man adds extra biased informatoin to balance the scale and wonders why everyone else who think the world is annoyingly biased enough keep telling him to drop the ball instead taking their turn in supplying more biased information.
wrong + wrong = lots of wrong != ~= true
truck: do accession fucktro, get money for breakpoint.
radman: new arts episode soon?
*please dont feed the trolls sign here*
wrong + wrong = lots of wrong != ~= true
truck: do accession fucktro, get money for breakpoint.
radman: new arts episode soon?
*please dont feed the trolls sign here*
radman:
please realise that (almost) nobody here has the will/energy/patience to edit stupid wikipedia articles about this stupid demoscene.
after you realized that, please stop forcing complaining people to do this (after all, you asked for their opinion...)
and yeah, they are right. individual parties/groups/people/etc are unimportant. the american ones especially. maybe mentioning future crew is ok :)
please realise that (almost) nobody here has the will/energy/patience to edit stupid wikipedia articles about this stupid demoscene.
after you realized that, please stop forcing complaining people to do this (after all, you asked for their opinion...)
and yeah, they are right. individual parties/groups/people/etc are unimportant. the american ones especially. maybe mentioning future crew is ok :)
(of course, in normal cases, renaissance itself would be an exceptions from my sentence "the american ones especially" - but this is not a normal case :))
I asked for people to help edit a Renaissance article I started. I also asked the nagging housewives of the demoscene to get off their ass and make me some pie.
So what.
So what.
we dont do pie, we do demos.
errr...uhh...yeah...
That what I meant. Hot Apple Demos.
That what I meant. Hot Apple Demos.