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As Apple's ceo he was probably getting the highest wage/salary/bonuses in the company yeah?
My points were - most filthy-rich-bastards make a thing of donating to charities no matter how dubious. SJ made a point of not donating [Caveat - he could've been anon, but then most charities like to know where their large donations are coming from for ethical reasons].
Also as ceo the buck stopped with him right? So any impropriety involving Apple should really have rested on his shoulders. Including failing to pay its' foreign workers a fair wage?
I don't really care about all this shit, but seeing candle strewn shrines world-wide to a bloke who did nothing more than sell stuff at a premium - fuck that.
Go make a shrine to Mother Theresa about it....

I don't know where and what your compare, but:
Apple hardware is and has always been much more expensive. My laptop has the form factor, features and performance (actually better than) of a MacBook Pro and was much less expensive... It also came with Windows 7...

Don't ge me started on the iPhone/iPad/iWhatever devices. The new iPhone 4S (wait, make that any new iPhone) - 650-850€ for a phone?! You must be fuckin kidding me! Most people buy a laptop for much less...

They make good hardware, they make a good OS, agreed, but I despise the apple fanboyism and the people without a clue buying their shit NOT comparing prices and features.

Plus, actually: WTF? Steve Jobs is dead. RIP, but do people have to lay flowers down in front of an Apple store, because he (you've guessed: not alone) invented a decent mobile phone that can play music and take pictures? My goodness. He wasn't Gandhi or something...

Just saying.

@raer: well, people bringed more flowers and candle for Lady Di you know :D

zerkman won the thread

She at least had tits.

raer: You've obviously decided a long time ago how you feel about Apple products and their pricing so there is little point in anyone trying to nudge you in a direction that might make you see things a little different, but I'm going to try anyway: Apple and their products (driven by Steve Jobs) has changed the world -- directly and indirectly. Forget the prices, forget that you think an iPhone is "just a mobile phone that can play music and take pictures" and try to view it through this prism: the fact that people lay down flowers for him, miss him and respect him is because his ideas (and later, products) actually changed the technology world. Forever.

Read this from the software makers Panic for example. If you understand where they are coming from, you'll understand why so many people are sad that Steve Jobs is dead.

Specs are not relevant to most people buying Apple devices (myself included). On my Macs I have enough RAM for any purposes, I have enough HDD for my purposes, the CPU is fast enough for whatever I am about to do with it (ranging from heavy-duty programming to recording music with Logic Studio). Once they're good enough (and they are), I don't care about the numbers at all. I care about the user experience, the form factor, the nice touches and yes, I admit it, how the thing actually looks and feels in my hand. I care about what will happen when I press the power button and I am willing to pay a premium for that experience.

That's really something that a lot of geeks have trouble coming to terms with. It's not only about what it is or does, it's more about how it feels when I am using it, and I'm sorry to say that a self-built desktop computer with Linux or a generic PC laptop does not give me the same feeling, portability or aesthetics as my Macbook Air. I don't understand why more computer manufacturers don't try to aim for that space, because there's a lot of money to be made there. Apple computers are a luxury item just like a Louis Vuitton bag, a Cartier watch or a Hermes scarf. You can get items that perform an equivalent function from your local cheapo bulk goods warehouse for a fraction of the price, but are they the same thing? Hell no.

Again. I hope his heirs/family find it in their "works out of the box" hearts to make sure that all the other pancreatic cancer sufferers in the world have something to look forward to.
Oh & zerkman still has leading.

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gloom: I agree their hardware and OS have that nice usability touch to them, but I've been using my mobile phone as an mp3 player for years now and never missed an iPhone...
I'm pretty much immune to ads in that department and all the pomp of Apple events leave me cold and irritated. Seriously: "This will be the most important event in 2011" then: "We have a new mouse that has one button less / A new version of our mobile phone / A bigger mobile phone, without the phone part". Yeah. Changed my life: nope/nope/nope. But Apple talks like they would.

Plus: For me it IS about the price, because Apples "philosophy", which I'd pay extra for it seems, isn't for me, thank you.
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Steve Jobs was an inventor and and good CEO probably, props to him, but this all I find a bit too much...

Preacher:



Lots tried. Sony, Samsung, Asus, they all had "luxury" offerings now and then, and all of them failed (mostly). One of the points about the luxury space is that people just don't accept any brands coming from the "lower tiers"; even if the device, or "thing" really, itself fits the luxury definition, people won't accept it if the very label on the outside of said thing doesn't reflect that. Apple had the advantage that even in their darker times (before Jobs' comeback) they were always special. Special as in "Special Olympics" sometimes but special nevertheless.

Solution for other PC shops would of course be creating new labels for luxury items or teaming up with established ones. But it seems they just can't let go of their beloved brand and creating a new product line (with a visible connection to the parent company) just doesn't cut it.

My computer feels really nice when it boots up and I'm using it too. Actually sometimes when I plug something the USB... Oh, I, sorry... ;)

If you're talking about elegance in different departments (looks, ease of use) I get your point. I'm fine with my phone and my laptop though.

kb: Yeah. Before I'd buy a VAIO, I'd buy a MacBook (Air/Pro). Intel is trying to go there with Ultrabooks, but I think that's a failed experiment already.

Ringo: you do realise apple don't have any factories in china right? They have contracts with companies there to produce stuff. Those companies have contracts with other companies to produce the parts they need. And so on. Somewhere along the line a company cuts some corners with their labour.

That applies to pretty much everything you buy these days - in fact MOST electronic stuff comes out of these exact same factories. Apple are under huge media scrutiny, so the poor conditions/child labour/whatever were noticed. There's no such scrutiny for most of the cheap product makers, but do you really think it doesn't happen? Of course not knowing makes you feel better :)

I also like this page on iStockPhoto: http://www.istockphoto.com/article_view.php?ID=1215 -- there are more stories, some of which might help explain why people actually like Apple products.

..and there is nothing wrong with settling for something less or not being able to recognize why something is better than something else, but that just isn't how I (and Preacher, and a lot of others) see it. :) I'm not trying to convince you to buy a Mac, I'm just trying to make you see that some people actually see value in the differences between devices.

Or to put it differently: if all you see in an iPhone is "a mobile phone that can play music and take pictures", then you'll probably never understand that it's _how_ it works as a mobile phone, _how_ it plays music and _how_ it takes pictures that's actually a tangible difference between that particular device and any other comparable mobile phone.

That says it all - if you want to pay extra for "an experience" then quite frankly more fool you. My wallet is tighter and encompasses being able to buy hardware that I may be able to use in a number of machines.
& for the most part "works out of the box".
Me most of my hardware is collected for free & then "value added" and my os costs me the time it takes to download it from my isp's ftp server (gratis). Guess which camp I come from...

Ringo: I couldn't give a fuck about specs generally either. When I buy something, I want it to work well and do the stuff I need, with minimal fucking about. I'll pay extra for that even. I'm buying it to use it for something, not for the speed of some particular component - that only comes into play if I'm buying it for say demo making, and i know a fast GPU is necessary.

If I buy a computer, I'm buying it to work on and make a living. With a mac, I can hit the mouse and it's on and ready, pretty much instantly. I don't have to fuck around with any virus scans, updating shit all the time, and all the rest, I can just get to work. I use both windows and osx, and I can tell you osx is (for most stuff) significantly more productive. It also keeps my office nice and tidy, and it's nearly silent so I get to work in peace.

So yes, I could get a PC with perhaps a better spec for less money, but it's going to cause me to lose some time (which when I'm working translates to money) and gain some stress. Does it make me foolish to choose productivity over saving some cash?

You talk as if I was retarded, instead I took a conscious choice. I don't see the extra value for me, that's it.

His official salary was $1. It's very likely that he made almost all of his money from his stock options. And possibly through Pixar. Before you claim something, do a simple research, will you?

you read that on the news, right?
because that all his living costs were paid by his company, you didn't mention.
a lot of talking about a life, nearly nobody here konws sh*t about...

btw watch picture on page 3 :)

Oh look a thread full of dorks telling the world how much they hate Apple.

*yawn*

I'm gonna do cool shit on my iPad now, later losers!

The camp that has to spend hours and hours within obscure configuration files in /etc? Or maybe the camp that has to recompile the kernel with obscure patches from weird people from who knows where for who knows what reason?

You call that working out of the box? I am impressed by your definition. Yes, I too am willing to pay extra for an experience. And, I do, too. I don't much care about the specs unless I am doing something extremely high-end, for which I'd have a really high-end desktop machine. It's all about the entire integrity of the platform, and honestly no matter how much you boast your "but omg look it's open source!11" fanboyism it will never cut the slack until a less chaotic way of managing the development is introduced.

Also, why are people still replying to that Australian dweeb that rather posts on some dumb forum of a scene he isn't part of than raising his goddamn kids.

I tried to like Linux. After two days I didn't have a working WIFI, it didn't recognize my digital camera and if I'd been billing for those hours, I would've made enough money to be halfway to a new computer already.