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(that is if you're a real man who knows how to build his own pushbuffers)

n0der: The demo you're looking at is retrostation.

looking for, even.

Correct! That's the one I was referring to. Thanks zerkman.

if ps3 has really been hacked, that is a sad thing.

ps3 was the last platform without illegal copying, and there has to be some place where i can make a living.

it might be a cool thing for a couple of scene coders, but that's not what these modchips are made for. manufacturing and selling modchips is not about some cool hacker dudes. it's about some deeply suspicious and highly displeasing criminals, first stealing from the hackers, and then stealing from the games industry.

oh, and if you are really interested about ps3 coding, read the official documentation from IBM. most likely, you will start vomiting and give up.

actually i must say if sony is really "brave" enough to have a backdoor in the PS3 that allows a retail unit to be turned into a dev/debug machine via a moderately complex USB stick (!!), then its really their own fault..
but most likely they will just fix it via a firmware update, so no online play without updating, i guess?! so not really a longterm problem..

apart from that i have to agree with chaos on the coding part.. cell is very cool on the one hand if you just want to fool around a bit, but absolutely horrible on the other hand.. especially if you're going after the last bit of performance..

chaos: Piracy obviously is a problem. But it must not be an excuse for not allowing people to do what they want with the hardware they bought. Users also have rights. Although many people do not care about the possibility to run unsigned code, this still is not an excuse.

Sony sold the consoles with the otheros functionality which allowed to run user code, even advertising about this feature, and advertising about the fact that the ps3 is a computer. Then they later unilaterally decided to remove the feature. They clearly do NOT care about their user's rights.

Piracy is another issue. It must be fought against, but not by sacrificing user's rights. And by the way, in many countries, home copying (even for software like games) is allowed, and is not restricted to media backup.

And I read the official documentation from IBM. I even made a demo from it. And as a coder's point of view, it was fun.

Yeah, if this ends up with massive piracy on the PS3, it's kind of karma that Sony deserved for removing the OtherOS.
I mean, there was NO WORKING HACK, let alone a 'backup' system released, it was just Geohotz and some other dudes messing around.
Still Sony decided to be total fuckwads and remove OtherOS altogether.
So serves them right that there will be a proper hack now.
With some luck we will get some nice mediaplayers (MKV - yes please) and other stuff now.

...so there would be no usb-modchip-dongle if my ps3 could still boot linux?

Sony probably leaked the thing them selves, getting sales up before introducing PS4.

that wouldn't surprise me, raising console sales through piracy. from what I read sony is having some troubles having very few AAA exclusive games, and with multiplatform games being better on the xbox.

today: PSN down for maintainance :=)

lol

It was only a matter of time before we saw ps3 getting hacked, that always happens with the most popular gadgets and consoles. The thing is, how do you use hacking for? Piracy or demo making?

don't worry GT5 will be here any moment....

What i'm trying to say is that if there is sth good that can come from hacking ps3, for instance, surpass some limitations that exist when you try to code a demo on it, then i don't see the reason for not using any kind of hack. On the other hand though, on the first release of a hack, piracy spreads like a virus which in the long term might harm the whole industry plus the developers...

That statement does not make a lot of sense. It is quite common for goods and services to be sold with restrictions in use. People seem to expect that this is different with certain devices. Because they are similar to personal computers? Because personal computers are similar to home computers? Because home computers basically were elaborate DIYs kits?

Actually, I'm struggling to think of an example that isn't copyright related.

Dangerous machinery, alcohol that is not for consumption (spirits), certain chemicals, cars, televisions, cell phones, money itself (as in coins and bills), fertilizer, batteries, modems and telehpones (in earlier times), telephone service, radio, television and so on...

You know, before most of us were born, people would jack up lamps to the telephone lines and use the "free" electricity.

But those are all restrictions imposed by government (out of necessity, arguably), not by the company making the product, and not with a profit motive. I think that makes a significant difference.

The sad thing in this, is that the original hack by geohot permitted execution of homebrew code (painfully yes) but didn't enabled piracy games (since bluray access wasn't defeated). Now, it seems to be, so this new usb key is only for piracy, not homebrew, and that's a whole different story. Correct me if I'm wrong...

MsK`, you're wrong. Geohot's hack permitted execution of user code in hypervisor mode on ps3's which already allowed to run user code in kernel and user modes (linux system under otherOS).

The USB hack allows to run user code on ANY ps3, without requiring otherOS. If I'm not wrong, it turns the ps3 into a development mode which allows to run unsigned code in the gameOS. One of the existing homebrew apps allow to run game copies from the hdd. There have been advertising about other apps.

Calexico: you're legally allowed to do whatever you please with the PS3 hardware once you purchase it. That's the law in the UK and most of Europe from what I understand.

Sony can only dictate the terms for access to after market services like PSN. I haven't read those terms of use but I'm pretty sure they reserve the right to ban you from PSN if you run modified hardware or modified firmware, just as Microsoft do.

since the last fw update (3.41) they also reserve the right to update firmware components "silently", ie download and install them without your consent.... which is a bit fishy atleast in germany.