freedom of speech? hell no.
category: general [glöplog]
*bing* "round 5 - fight!"
*red wins, blue needs to do better, white is out*
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You do realize that the offensive stupidity is also a part of the scene, since we have this discussion once every odd month.
Of course, this is a recurring theme. :) And yes, stupidity (and all it's friends) is definitively a part of the scene, it just doesn't have to be the first thing you see when you go through the door. Seeing it in real-time at a demoparty first is a good thing, since things tend to appear sharper than they are when read on the internet.
Anyway, the whole "the BBS needs restructuring"-thing is an entirely different matter from "do we really want obvious trolling-"demos" on this site?", which the thread was about.
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You can ban every single person that the management doesn't seem fit to post, but you know that someone else will stand up and do the same.
Of course, banning doesn't really work in the long run, and I'm not for it either. What I take offense for is wording such as yours right there Okkie, that anyone who goes "WTF? Do we want this here?" is "management" and "stifling free speech" and this rubbish. Asking critical questions isn't a bad thing. :) Far better to start a thread about it than to try to manhandle (*prr*! :) Gargaj behind closed doors anyway.
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Of course, banning doesn't really work in the long run, and I'm not for it either
ofcourse you are not!! you just want everyone kind and nice to have a say everywhere and all stupid boo people go and die!
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"Don't give me your 6th grade Michael Moore logic!"
beggars are the friends of stupidity now?!
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I really hate that people cannot make an extra effort without being accused of "stealing" something. Standard response? "The scene isn't yours! Stop selling it!" -- really inspiring for those who try to go the extra mile, eh?
heat, kitchen..
i guess bbs is just fine. kinda nice currently, actually, and i don't see any problem with that.
the reason why i've started this thread is the amount of prods released based on the rule 'look ma, i can code hello world. dunno how to setpixel, but i can has demotoolz!'. that's simply... pathetic. and i've used BITS as an FUCKIN' EXAMPLE. that's not 'pouet-appearance problem' or 'BITS problem' or 'bbs problem' or 'don't attack that poor beginners problem'. hell no.
it's about tolerance for lameness and stupidity. of course, everyone was a beginner in some time. everyone made something looking like crap at least once. but we all learn, right? unfortunately, no. why? because it's internet, because they don't have to. because they know noone will give a shit. and no, pouet won't decrease it's activity once such crap would be removed. the reason is simple: we have thousands of prods, most of them not bad at all. but when someone releases another BITS-alike shit, fascist crap or other look-ma-wild-demo-with-penises, and it lands on the front-page, it stays there because it causes some controversy. and what's the point of keeping those at all? are you really so fuckin' scared that demoscene will die as soon as those won't be tolerated? demoscene is not dead, and never will be. and saying that pouet should not be clean and professional has nothing to do with it. i agree with kb, there were threads like how to open fullscreen opengl window under linux and so. no problems with that. everyone was a beginner in one day. demoscene == friendship. but when someone DOES NOT WANT TO LEARN, he's not a beginner anymore. he's a lamer.
just look at the stardreamers prods, comments in those, and their bbs thread as well. at the start i was about to believe that it's some beginner, trying to find his way and learning how to code demos. after his 3rd prod, there are 2 possibilities imho, either he's so stupid or it's some kind of BITS fork. as long as he keeps his attitude (which is getting worse from prod to prod, looking at his comments), i guess it's all fine. just a lame kid, not really wanting to learn anything, just trying to show off his 'skillz'. and now comes the question, 10 years ago, would he have any chance? on parties? would he have any chance today, even on the smallest party out there, whichever it is? of course not. but here's the internet, here's the pouet, and here's the paradise for every single lame demo-maker-wannabe, because whatever they'll do, it'll be judged either as lack of skills, or BITS-alike stupidity. it's just that the latter really should go elsewhere. we have enough prods being released. we really don't need lame/offensive/fascist/otherwise stupid shit imho.
the reason why i've started this thread is the amount of prods released based on the rule 'look ma, i can code hello world. dunno how to setpixel, but i can has demotoolz!'. that's simply... pathetic. and i've used BITS as an FUCKIN' EXAMPLE. that's not 'pouet-appearance problem' or 'BITS problem' or 'bbs problem' or 'don't attack that poor beginners problem'. hell no.
it's about tolerance for lameness and stupidity. of course, everyone was a beginner in some time. everyone made something looking like crap at least once. but we all learn, right? unfortunately, no. why? because it's internet, because they don't have to. because they know noone will give a shit. and no, pouet won't decrease it's activity once such crap would be removed. the reason is simple: we have thousands of prods, most of them not bad at all. but when someone releases another BITS-alike shit, fascist crap or other look-ma-wild-demo-with-penises, and it lands on the front-page, it stays there because it causes some controversy. and what's the point of keeping those at all? are you really so fuckin' scared that demoscene will die as soon as those won't be tolerated? demoscene is not dead, and never will be. and saying that pouet should not be clean and professional has nothing to do with it. i agree with kb, there were threads like how to open fullscreen opengl window under linux and so. no problems with that. everyone was a beginner in one day. demoscene == friendship. but when someone DOES NOT WANT TO LEARN, he's not a beginner anymore. he's a lamer.
just look at the stardreamers prods, comments in those, and their bbs thread as well. at the start i was about to believe that it's some beginner, trying to find his way and learning how to code demos. after his 3rd prod, there are 2 possibilities imho, either he's so stupid or it's some kind of BITS fork. as long as he keeps his attitude (which is getting worse from prod to prod, looking at his comments), i guess it's all fine. just a lame kid, not really wanting to learn anything, just trying to show off his 'skillz'. and now comes the question, 10 years ago, would he have any chance? on parties? would he have any chance today, even on the smallest party out there, whichever it is? of course not. but here's the internet, here's the pouet, and here's the paradise for every single lame demo-maker-wannabe, because whatever they'll do, it'll be judged either as lack of skills, or BITS-alike stupidity. it's just that the latter really should go elsewhere. we have enough prods being released. we really don't need lame/offensive/fascist/otherwise stupid shit imho.
unic0rn: too much text!
learn to read then.
bad publicity is good publicity, kudos to solo2 for making something different and memorable!
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but when someone DOES NOT WANT TO LEARN, he's not a beginner anymore.
and how exactly have you measured what was learnt by "solo" between releasing BITS#001 and BITS#003 ? where's your evidence? yeah, just as I figured...subjective crap yet again. One day you guys will growup, lose your petty egos and realize that no one's interested in conforming to your personal expectations.
you don't like BITS, don't watch. it's as simple as that.
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"THE SCENE IS DEAD! LONG LIVE THE OUTREACH!"
People in this thread are talking so much utter bollocks that I'm getting dizzy.
And btw Mr PR is the only person in pouet who I have ever found even slightly offensive.
People in this thread are talking so much utter bollocks that I'm getting dizzy.
And btw Mr PR is the only person in pouet who I have ever found even slightly offensive.
any people suggesting that demo prods should be censored due to some 'lack of quality' or whatever, should be hit to the head with a huge trout.
you dont like the prod? fine, thumb it down or ignore it. it's fucking simple as that.
some people DO find silly shit trolling productions fun.
you dont like the prod? fine, thumb it down or ignore it. it's fucking simple as that.
some people DO find silly shit trolling productions fun.
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And btw Mr PR is the only person in pouet who I have ever found even slightly offensive.
Uhm. You new here? ;)
rare: no, but I'm just pointing out a fact.
nosfe: that's a method, i agree. i'm overreacting probably, that's also true. but when you're allowing one lame kid to add prods on pouet, you're allowing same to whole bunch of them. and also, there's a saying - 'please, don't feed the trolls' - thumbing them down is just that, and i don't think people will just ignore their crap. so it's kind of perpetuum mobile, which won't stop, and eventually can grow up out of proportion.
also, i'm not speaking about 'lack of quality' - i'm speaking about 'lack of quality *on purpose*'. which is what BITS is about, and not only BITS, as i've said before. from all of them, BITS are actually not the worse at all, because you still need some skills to release crap on almost every possible platform.
also, i'm not speaking about 'lack of quality' - i'm speaking about 'lack of quality *on purpose*'. which is what BITS is about, and not only BITS, as i've said before. from all of them, BITS are actually not the worse at all, because you still need some skills to release crap on almost every possible platform.
so? some people do like the prods which are intentionally made to be as bad as possible.
i've never had any problems ignoring stuff that i dont want to see. heck, i havent even bothered to watch any of the bits productions,
i've never had any problems ignoring stuff that i dont want to see. heck, i havent even bothered to watch any of the bits productions,
unic0rn, nothing is gonna change. So just get over it and do something else, alright?
