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keops, my expert opinion is that vista will still fully support veronicamoser.com! (warning: #java topic style url - just in case you forgot)

oh and by the way sparcus and keops you're actually totally agreeing with each other, you know that, right?

Welcome to the new Turbo Pascal "Run Time Error 200" :(

omgicantrunmypreferreddemooftheeighteensonmyseventhousandtwoishcomputar.

I'm gonna install a dual boot.

Then again I'm gonna buy an Xbox 360 for games and I plan to watch DX10 demos in avi format so there's not much point in me installing Vista for a long time!

in the future all demos will be digitally signed by the group, organizers of the demo party, and scene.org. seeing that the windows games explorer was a smashing success microsoft will take the next step and create the windows demo explorer and all demos will need explicitly register with the game explorer taking 23 independent steps with random com objects and stuffing 7 registry keys in obscure locations and creating 3 directories with 8 special shortcuts. this will of course fatten up all 4kbs so 4kb productions on vista will be allowed to be 6kb. all demos will also need to be rated by at least ESRB and PEGI and must enforce parental controls on demo viewing time limits. then there's the windows media center demo scene edition integration...

ok no i'm not bitter about vista stuff.. ;)

sparcus: As if some of those demos would even now run in different machine compilations than what developers and compo machine used. Vista "compability issues" bring nothing new in the game.

4k coder will sure change to Vista when they discover 100 new textures in system/, 1000 new sounds in system/drivers and dx10_16.dll :):):)

ryg... can we expect a kkcrunchy release for linux someday in the future? (whatever "future" means)

(shit I always write "kkcrunchy" instead of "kkrunchy", sorry!)

now that you misspelled kkrunchy, no.

time for the demoscene to take a stand as a movement and switch to Linux. Linux is the true spirite of the scene!!! DRM my arse!

drugs are bad.

OS5/Superwarp for the win!

The only people i've seen wanting to use Vista so far are the kids who've already downloaded it thinking it makes them "l33t" or some sort of status symbol.
It took me 3 or 4 years to trust XP enough after all the patches to switch to it, so again i'll be waiting a while for all the critical bug fixes to go through.
XP+DOpus(can't live without it!) does what i need atm and it will do for many years to come so no reason to switch for anyone, unless they have the burning desire to bloat out their matchine even more.

klipper: poppycock, reviving BeOS would make more sense

Welcome to the future !
Microsoft releases a brand new OS for the masses, and no one seems to care ;-)
Happy new year 2007 BTW.

iq: maybe. i've been thinking about it. but first i need to read up on ELF :)

Many pouet.net'ers complain about the cost of a new GFX card, so I imagine when they upgrade their machine, they'll buy a cheap PC, and I imagine that cheap PC will come with Vista pre-installed. Linux ain't gonna make any headway on the desktop. In two years time, most PC demos will be Vista based, with maybe one or two Linux releases every six months.

Maali: It's being done (Haiku).

klipper: Don't tempt Microsoft. They just might try.

Well, I've run a public beta of Vista for a while.
I ran the x64-version.
It ran VS2005 just fine, and also any DX9-code that I've created over the years. So I think the DX9-compatibility is close to 100% (I used a GeForce 7600GT card with the appropriate beta drivers).
I've also ran various demos, some worked, some didn't... but they either worked completely or just froze, no renderbugs or such, so I think it's likely that the compatibility problems are elsewhere, like in packers or things like that (I can't really recall which demos I ran, but I'm reasonably sure I got some OpenGL demos to run... like some ASD-stuff).

One big problem though, which is not Vista-specific but rather x64-specific (I also run XP x64, same story), is that there no longer is a 16-bit DOS/Win16 interface. This pretty much breaks any .COM-packed intro. On the other hand, DOSBox works, so you can watch it in there.

Another problem I found was that Vista uses up more memory. Since my machine only has 1 gb of memory, it often got into trouble with some newer demos (especially some FLT-stuff), where it would run just fine in XP.
But that problem is solved with a 2 gb system.

Yet another issue that I noticed is that performance in DX9 was considerably less in Vista than in XP... Now I have only tested this in windowed mode, so that may have something to do with it, with Aero and all... and it was still a beta, so perhaps the drivers weren't quite optimal yet... But this is something I'd like to test again with the final version sometime (it's probably not an issue with x64, because with XP, I found that even 32-bit applications usually run faster in x64 than in regular XP).

On the whole, I've decided to stick with XP for a while. Especially XP x64 runs great on my machine, and Vista offers me nothing new yet... only less performance and more problems at this point.
But DX10 is ofcourse something you cannot ignore. So I'll probably move over to Vista when it's more mature.

I see no reason for me to go linux at this point, it would give me even more problems than Vista, since most software that I use, doesn't even exist for linux, and ofcourse my DX9 codebase would be completely useless aswell. Besides, my experience with linux has never been very smooth.

I´m still using W2k, and until I get a DX10-GFX card there is no Vista-specific feature which might make sense for me. Even XP had more drawbacks than advantages for me, so why should Vista be better?

I reckon DX10 will be a great thing for demos, but the rest of vista from what I've seen is a half-baked attempt to out-do osx and linux. Expose that doesn't expose and dashboard that clogs up your desktop anyone? I use OSX exclusively at home anyway, and only watch windows demos at work, and there I'll be sticking with XP until there are a lot of dx10 demos I really really have to watch before upgrading. Assuming they don't do us all a favour and release dx10 for xp.

Most probably there won't ever be a DX10 for XP, as DX10 needs Vista-style graphics drivers which are completely different from XP ones. So even a hacked port would have to be a combined effort of MS and the GPU vendors, which I'd describe as "unlikely".

*Evil Grin*

Scali: If anything, DX9 should perform better CPU-wise than XP, since it has been moved to user-space. I'm guessing Aero to be the reason.

Is the situation about OpenGL solved ? I read on opengl.org that they would lock the version to a "Vanilla" 1.4. Technologies coming like DX10 sounds promising but Vista still have serious security issue (bluepill or so ?) herited from XP (or not). Haha same question everytime that our prefered software editor is releasing an OS.... I hope a lot of ppl would switch to {Linu|UNI}xoids but I do guess even at school we will switch to Vista within 2y, we received ISOs afaik from MSDNAA.

Oh i forgot, i'm not demoscener..nearly had a stroke..