Riots in Hungary
category: general [glöplog]
Flo Riot Leader section must be sent to hungary as soon as possible!
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I only used the term 'communism' since the right wing says that day and night to paint the left wing as black as possible.
Sadly it is true - the only ones left in Hungary are either "communists" or "nazis". :/
This is why I'll make my own country when I grow up.
Every scene should have "some kind of riot leader"
I was there yesterday, at the Kossuth Square, before our Parlament.
70% extreme right,
20% "normal" people, who were just curious, or hadn't better to do in the evening
9% football hooligans and co.
1% agents. :D
Much drunk people, even with drunken superb chicks. :D
The problem was, that some idiots wanted to have trouble, and the direction of the Hungarian TV responsed not well.
That's all folks in shortly.
Today morning:
70% extreme right,
20% "normal" people, who were just curious, or hadn't better to do in the evening
9% football hooligans and co.
1% agents. :D
Much drunk people, even with drunken superb chicks. :D
The problem was, that some idiots wanted to have trouble, and the direction of the Hungarian TV responsed not well.
That's all folks in shortly.
Today morning:
Adok: It was the start (?) of Athina's and Tomcat's love story. Athi's ex did some mistake on irc, called her slut and so, Tomcat went mad, and "did justice" in his own way, with a camera, friends, pistol whatever. They published it later on the internet, and had some trouble.
lausbubot is a hungarian word? can anyone confirm this? :D
no it's not
lesz, cigarretta-- bebaszni mint da jackal..
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This is why I'll make my own country when I grow up.
xernobyl, tell me if you need an extra hand. i can do stuff, you know, running things around or such.
Sounds like greece.
<b>Lausbub</b> is a German word.
@d-lee
Thanks.
@d-lee
Thanks.
optimus no it doesn't. in greece it's anarchist and libertarian groups fighting, and not nazi-scum. the student riots in greece should be a shining rolemodel for all students in europe. while in germany noone even remembers things like "university-asyle", the greek activists are ready to FIGHT for it.
uhm.. thank god not all students care for that shit and just are students, not a bunch of extreme activists.
It's interesting to note that quite a few of the mass murderers from the past century were quite well educated. (And from well off families)
Like Pol Pot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pol_pot)
Is there something about ideas and books that is intoxicating?
Like Pol Pot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pol_pot)
Is there something about ideas and books that is intoxicating?
Mr Hitler on the other hand did not graduate and failed to get into art school. His dad was a customs inspector.
Why are we off topic by the way? :)
Why are we off topic by the way? :)
because Godwin's law is the truest natural law on the net.
The examples you mentioned killed people because that was part of their strategy, not just for bloodlust. So it's not surprising that they were educated.
omg riots are killing Function Oo
Please stay ontopic. To achieve this goal, I hereby post a random riot picture:
The sign says "you fucked up" (more-or-less)
This is the most common word in the hungarian press (and media, in general) these days...
The sign says "you fucked up" (more-or-less)
This is the most common word in the hungarian press (and media, in general) these days...
ohh. i forgot to tell you that the thingy on the picture is called "kockásfülű nyúl"...
dipswitch: I just wanted to say there are people who say leftwings = communists and rightwings = facists and they fight with each others (with words, too much stupid arguments about communists and fascists while the politicians are not on the exrteme sides but more to the middle, so you are right in that, here it's mild)
From http://budapestriots.blogspot.com/...
The story is the following: Tuesday, 19th September well-known radical blogger Tomcat has been arrested and accused of damaging the monument commemorating fallen Soviet soldiers of WW2 during the riots in the previous night. His girlfriend, Athina, wrote a long report on the circumstances of the arrest, which I have translated for this blog.
"Are we having a dictatureship?
Yes, you've read it correctly, I think we might have. Hungary is ruled by a legal and spiritual dictatureship powered and maintained by the most disgusting means possible. A dictatureship that preaches tolerance and expects the people to be tolerant but it itself does not tolerate any dissent, criticism and complaint regardless whether it's justified or not.
You could say it isn't true or these are but the words of a paranoid fool, but if you really think so, then your vision is either clouded or you have the rare and precious opportunity to be sheltered from what's actually going on in Hungary.
There is one thing I have to make absolutely clear: I had not partaken in the events happening at the streets of Budapest at the night of 19th September, 2006. This information will prove interesting in the light of the later events in this story, this is why I have to be very clear about it. I've been taking care of my ten years old sister at the flat of my parents, which is proven by two eyewitnesses, the log of the cab company I traveled with and obviously th,e cell information log of my cell phone.
In the evening of 20th September, I visited my father in the hospital who has been taken there with a heart attack.I got back at home at around 8PM where I found Tomcat and a friend of ours. I could hardly greet them as armed, muscular men in visibility vests stormed in the door putting all of us to the wall, searching and handcuffing us.
Then our friend has been identified and his identity recorded, and he's been released, or rather bundled off, telling him it is a police procedure here and therefore he is not allowed to be present. Tomcat's injured hand was handcuffed, and shortly he's been carried away, despite that fact that he is the documented and proven renter of our flat and he clearly expressed having to exercise his right to be present during the searching of the premises.
Then I've been left alone with three men claiming to be working for the National Investigation Bureau. This organization stylishly has it's offices, cells and interrogation rooms just behind the House of Terror, I think the reason these could not be in that House as it's currently a museum. (Translator's note: the House of Terror museum has been an infamous detention and torture complex used both by the Nazis and the Communists.) They informed me they will perform a search of the premises here despite the fact they lacked a valid search warrant, although it became clear to me only later on.
At this time had I come to know that Tomcat is accused by damaging the "wonderful", "valuable" Russian monument praising the "liberators" of Hungary. He is not only even accused of complicity - he is accused of damaging the whole monument himself!
The piquancy of the issue is that under a certain value, damaging property is considered only a foul, and only over this value it's actually a crime. And of course they wanted to accuse him of a crime, as then they could keep him in for a longer time. It happened this way, "the crime of damaging property" was written on the top of the interrogation minutes, which I was able to read later on, at my interrogation.
But let's get back to what happened at our home. Tomcat has been carried away handcuffed to their office at the corner of the Vorosmarty and Aradi streets - or at least this is what they said to me - and I was told that a search of the premises will commence and they closed the door of the flat from the inside. When I mentioned my right for having an independent eyewitness present, they just said let's not waste each other's time, and maybe even I myself would not like the neighbours see me in infavourable light. A good try, but I care a lot more having an independent person present than the opinion of the neighbours.
Therefore we called a neighbour and they started rummaging through our home. The following items had been confiscated: a desktop computer, a notebook computer, two card readers, cell phones and Tomcat's passport. The later one is especially interesting: while people accused of setting children to fire or other very serious crimes can defend themselves at the jury while being at large, are able to come and go as they wish in the world, only the suspicion of damaging the "holy and untouchable" Russian monument is enough in today's Hungary to get your passport confiscated, yourself put in jail and your girlfriend carried away during the night and being subjected to interrogation.
All these in 2006, in the European Union, in a country subjected to Russian occupation for more than forty years. But all right, don't look back to the past, let's look forwards, to the future! Well, if the future is what's going on now I'm not sure I want to look forwards to it.
After the search I've been surprised by having been told that I should go with them at once to be heared as a witness, so I should collect some personal belongings and then we go.
I've been led to a car at 11PM, and driven to the aforementioned office and interrogation facilities. There have I been interrogated for hours, being subjected to spiritual and mental terror. They criticized my looks, my boyfriend, my religion, my truthfulness and myself as a human being. It was clear to me that they want to prepare me psychologically to make an incriminating confesion against Tomcat.
It's worthy of note that there were at least two posters on the walls of the interrogation room citing different quotations, but both of them meant that you have to be afraid of power, and especially afraid of absoute power as you are helpless against it. It's stylish, isn't it?
Then another gentleman joined us armed with a digicam and he claimed he will take a photo of me. I informed him I don't agree with this, if they need a photo, get one from their database.
Then they tried to convince me that it's only a routine procedure, I should not object to it - but it's only the well-known painkiller type of jaw which you should never fall for as it's when you can flub up real bad. It's not a routine procedure at a witness hearing to take a photo. Period. (Finally I informed them I have religious reasons for objecting to be photographed. Then the gentleman started to inquire about my religion which he clearly has zero right for.)
My interrogation lasted almost for three hours, they had me tell them what did I do in the last few days. I told it all back and forth, also answering the cross-questions, meanwhile I've been informed that "Hey, chick, you gonna be in real deep trouble when we'll accuse you of false witnessing." I always adressed this gentleman formally while made remarks on my age, informing me he has a child older than me, and adressing me in impolite ways and rudely. (Translator's note: Hungarian language still has a difference between the "you" and "thou" or "Sie" and "du" forms, which roughly equals calling someone on first or second name terms.)
I've been given the protocols for reading but I've been denied of making corrections, although I expressed I wish to exercise my right to do it. The gentleman informed me that everything in the protocols has been pronounced therefore he refuses to make any modifications - appending comments is the most he is willing to do. And I should not get picky on him because... yeah, we heard it before, he has a child older than me...
Then I've been informed I could not demand any reimbursement of costs as I've been transported to their offices by them - but of course I had to get home at night, when the public transport is out of service.
After finalising protocols the rental contract has been xeroxed and I've been released into the night, at 1:30AM. All these happened to me despite I could prove I spent that night at home watching the TV, taking care of my little sister in the flat of my parents.
This is Hungarian democracy today. If you don't play the game they way they want you to, the tentacles of the state catch you, break you, grind you and crap you out."
The story is the following: Tuesday, 19th September well-known radical blogger Tomcat has been arrested and accused of damaging the monument commemorating fallen Soviet soldiers of WW2 during the riots in the previous night. His girlfriend, Athina, wrote a long report on the circumstances of the arrest, which I have translated for this blog.
"Are we having a dictatureship?
Yes, you've read it correctly, I think we might have. Hungary is ruled by a legal and spiritual dictatureship powered and maintained by the most disgusting means possible. A dictatureship that preaches tolerance and expects the people to be tolerant but it itself does not tolerate any dissent, criticism and complaint regardless whether it's justified or not.
You could say it isn't true or these are but the words of a paranoid fool, but if you really think so, then your vision is either clouded or you have the rare and precious opportunity to be sheltered from what's actually going on in Hungary.
There is one thing I have to make absolutely clear: I had not partaken in the events happening at the streets of Budapest at the night of 19th September, 2006. This information will prove interesting in the light of the later events in this story, this is why I have to be very clear about it. I've been taking care of my ten years old sister at the flat of my parents, which is proven by two eyewitnesses, the log of the cab company I traveled with and obviously th,e cell information log of my cell phone.
In the evening of 20th September, I visited my father in the hospital who has been taken there with a heart attack.I got back at home at around 8PM where I found Tomcat and a friend of ours. I could hardly greet them as armed, muscular men in visibility vests stormed in the door putting all of us to the wall, searching and handcuffing us.
Then our friend has been identified and his identity recorded, and he's been released, or rather bundled off, telling him it is a police procedure here and therefore he is not allowed to be present. Tomcat's injured hand was handcuffed, and shortly he's been carried away, despite that fact that he is the documented and proven renter of our flat and he clearly expressed having to exercise his right to be present during the searching of the premises.
Then I've been left alone with three men claiming to be working for the National Investigation Bureau. This organization stylishly has it's offices, cells and interrogation rooms just behind the House of Terror, I think the reason these could not be in that House as it's currently a museum. (Translator's note: the House of Terror museum has been an infamous detention and torture complex used both by the Nazis and the Communists.) They informed me they will perform a search of the premises here despite the fact they lacked a valid search warrant, although it became clear to me only later on.
At this time had I come to know that Tomcat is accused by damaging the "wonderful", "valuable" Russian monument praising the "liberators" of Hungary. He is not only even accused of complicity - he is accused of damaging the whole monument himself!
The piquancy of the issue is that under a certain value, damaging property is considered only a foul, and only over this value it's actually a crime. And of course they wanted to accuse him of a crime, as then they could keep him in for a longer time. It happened this way, "the crime of damaging property" was written on the top of the interrogation minutes, which I was able to read later on, at my interrogation.
But let's get back to what happened at our home. Tomcat has been carried away handcuffed to their office at the corner of the Vorosmarty and Aradi streets - or at least this is what they said to me - and I was told that a search of the premises will commence and they closed the door of the flat from the inside. When I mentioned my right for having an independent eyewitness present, they just said let's not waste each other's time, and maybe even I myself would not like the neighbours see me in infavourable light. A good try, but I care a lot more having an independent person present than the opinion of the neighbours.
Therefore we called a neighbour and they started rummaging through our home. The following items had been confiscated: a desktop computer, a notebook computer, two card readers, cell phones and Tomcat's passport. The later one is especially interesting: while people accused of setting children to fire or other very serious crimes can defend themselves at the jury while being at large, are able to come and go as they wish in the world, only the suspicion of damaging the "holy and untouchable" Russian monument is enough in today's Hungary to get your passport confiscated, yourself put in jail and your girlfriend carried away during the night and being subjected to interrogation.
All these in 2006, in the European Union, in a country subjected to Russian occupation for more than forty years. But all right, don't look back to the past, let's look forwards, to the future! Well, if the future is what's going on now I'm not sure I want to look forwards to it.
After the search I've been surprised by having been told that I should go with them at once to be heared as a witness, so I should collect some personal belongings and then we go.
I've been led to a car at 11PM, and driven to the aforementioned office and interrogation facilities. There have I been interrogated for hours, being subjected to spiritual and mental terror. They criticized my looks, my boyfriend, my religion, my truthfulness and myself as a human being. It was clear to me that they want to prepare me psychologically to make an incriminating confesion against Tomcat.
It's worthy of note that there were at least two posters on the walls of the interrogation room citing different quotations, but both of them meant that you have to be afraid of power, and especially afraid of absoute power as you are helpless against it. It's stylish, isn't it?
Then another gentleman joined us armed with a digicam and he claimed he will take a photo of me. I informed him I don't agree with this, if they need a photo, get one from their database.
Then they tried to convince me that it's only a routine procedure, I should not object to it - but it's only the well-known painkiller type of jaw which you should never fall for as it's when you can flub up real bad. It's not a routine procedure at a witness hearing to take a photo. Period. (Finally I informed them I have religious reasons for objecting to be photographed. Then the gentleman started to inquire about my religion which he clearly has zero right for.)
My interrogation lasted almost for three hours, they had me tell them what did I do in the last few days. I told it all back and forth, also answering the cross-questions, meanwhile I've been informed that "Hey, chick, you gonna be in real deep trouble when we'll accuse you of false witnessing." I always adressed this gentleman formally while made remarks on my age, informing me he has a child older than me, and adressing me in impolite ways and rudely. (Translator's note: Hungarian language still has a difference between the "you" and "thou" or "Sie" and "du" forms, which roughly equals calling someone on first or second name terms.)
I've been given the protocols for reading but I've been denied of making corrections, although I expressed I wish to exercise my right to do it. The gentleman informed me that everything in the protocols has been pronounced therefore he refuses to make any modifications - appending comments is the most he is willing to do. And I should not get picky on him because... yeah, we heard it before, he has a child older than me...
Then I've been informed I could not demand any reimbursement of costs as I've been transported to their offices by them - but of course I had to get home at night, when the public transport is out of service.
After finalising protocols the rental contract has been xeroxed and I've been released into the night, at 1:30AM. All these happened to me despite I could prove I spent that night at home watching the TV, taking care of my little sister in the flat of my parents.
This is Hungarian democracy today. If you don't play the game they way they want you to, the tentacles of the state catch you, break you, grind you and crap you out."
Seems that most people who were arrested will stay in custody for 30 days. I really hope Tomcat is allright and get out asap. :(