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Red Line by Condense [web] & Mandarine [web]
screenshot added by tomaes on 2003-03-24 10:32:54
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release date : march 2003
release party : Equinoxe 2003
compo : combined demo
ranked : 2nd
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popularity : 73%
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alltime top: #1143
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congratulations on making a borring keyframed demo, only displaying scenes exported from your favorite modeller.
sucks added on the 2003-03-24 10:35:48 by rasmus/loonies rasmus/loonies
Nice style-3d-flyby with a funky tune.
Sorry for the tooltip bit in the screenshot. ;)
added on the 2003-03-24 10:36:04 by tomaes tomaes
RA5MUS: and what about music quality & 3D art?
added on the 2003-03-24 10:37:57 by norecess norecess
Hangs after 3 seconds of stonehenge here.
added on the 2003-03-24 10:40:24 by sprocket sprocket
Tomaes: 'S' Key for ScreenShot when watching the demo works fine too :P
added on the 2003-03-24 10:43:40 by norecess norecess
Yeah, another flyby. Visually it's quite nice, but if you're going to do a flyby, at least take the time to use decent frame composition. (rule of thirds, leading space, director's line, etc...)

All the same, it's not as bad as many other productions.
3d flybys is boring! But much of the modelling was really nice. Textures looked really good and the music was a really kick-ass song!
added on the 2003-03-24 11:13:34 by ekoli ekoli
I like the visuals and music a lot.
A demo I'll watch again and again :)
Perhaps some framings and the cut are perfectible, but if you consider that everything was put together in a hurry at the party place, the result is pretty terrific.
rulez added on the 2003-03-24 11:36:06 by neurox neurox
Nice design but quite a simple script and too few scenes.
Music synch is good, but it's not everything. :)
added on the 2003-03-24 11:49:33 by Dma-Sc Dma-Sc
nice demo, good design and artwork, good looking rendering engine.
rulez added on the 2003-03-24 12:24:04 by Tex Tex
Was ranked 2nd at the demoparty, between a Pegasos demo and an Amiga PPC one.
rulez added on the 2003-03-24 12:36:39 by Floyd Floyd
this is very kewl.. even if i usually don't like flybyes..

stylish graphics, very nice to see fra's design in a new mandarine demo..
++ for the funky soundtrack

btw, what's that buggy diagonal black line in the middle of the screen ? render to texture artefact ? i have a gf4go with 31.30..
rulez added on the 2003-03-24 13:00:39 by florent florent
31.10 more precisely
added on the 2003-03-24 13:01:19 by florent florent
flrnt: fucking noise effect !! =P
I noticied disabling hardware antialiasing remove that buggy diagonal black line..
added on the 2003-03-24 13:39:19 by norecess norecess
norecess: oh yah, it's not my kind of music and the 3d looks like a plugin-gallery.
RA5MUS: so please, tell that it's not your type of demos instead of telling us that the demo is boring..
added on the 2003-03-24 13:58:18 by norecess norecess
Tomaes: use Irfanview for screenshots.
Demo: the rendering engine looks very nice. cool colors, good design, etc. the music is also cool. this demo rockz.
rulez added on the 2003-03-24 14:00:37 by diver diver
funky tune, rest is kinda ok.
added on the 2003-03-24 14:02:33 by superplek superplek
wow, i think i never use hardware antialiasing , my gf4go 420 is slow enough without =)

don't worry some other demos have the same kind of artefacts =)
added on the 2003-03-24 14:03:36 by florent florent
wow, impressive staff :)
Very very interesting design and ambience, just a bit too short :/
rulez added on the 2003-03-24 14:03:49 by Sanx Sanx
"and the 3d looks like a plugin-gallery." - uhm, lightwave have builtin radiosity renderer , so does max5, the rest is kindof, standard 3d..

i have that line bug to, and ofcourse i use antialiasing, but not the same tech. as nVidia one, so my guess is simply that its buggy code :-)
added on the 2003-03-24 14:17:38 by Hatikvah Hatikvah
un trés grand coup...

rulez added on the 2003-03-24 14:46:51 by alkama alkama
un grand coup....dans ton cu.. :)
added on the 2003-03-24 14:59:38 by norecess norecess
RA5MUS -> can you please tell me what plug did I used ? handmade polygons models + shadow maps + a few keyframes : are those things PLUG-INS for you ? Could you tell me what software are we allowed to use without being considered as a plug-in-abuser ? Should we use notepad.exe for modeling and debug.exe for texturing ?
Just tell me my 3D is boring or you don't like my style, this would be OK.
added on the 2003-03-24 15:12:03 by fra fra
liked it.. !

rasmus: sometimes you can be a real asshole :)
rulez added on the 2003-03-24 15:41:25 by warp warp
nice 3d style, somewhat flawed composition, but I guess that was a hurried prod...
rulez added on the 2003-03-24 16:02:23 by bhead bhead
nice... a little bug sometimes (a black line in the screen)
rulez added on the 2003-03-24 16:09:31 by spengler spengler
okay :) (nothing for me though)
added on the 2003-03-24 16:29:42 by Kami68k Kami68k
3d slideshow of fra's art ;)
rulez added on the 2003-03-24 16:41:04 by mrdoob mrdoob
Very nice mood and design. I liked it. We could say that the music doesn't really fit the visuals (or the contrary), but the very good job on synchronization makes the global thing very nice and coherent.

PS : yeah i know it sucks to thumb up a prod of his own group but 1) i'm french, and everybody knows french and their selfishness are ruining pouet.net 2) i didn't take part to this demo and well, i don't give a fuck :)
rulez added on the 2003-03-24 17:53:16 by alexkidd alexkidd
Boah! Nice design. nice music and overall presentation! thx!
rulez added on the 2003-03-24 18:46:29 by elend elend
Cute, but I feel it's a little 'empty', or perhaps what is empty is my head... (sure it is :D)
added on the 2003-03-24 18:47:05 by Zafio Zafio
got all kinds of errors
sucks added on the 2003-03-24 19:18:06 by legalize legalize
fra/norecess: relax, it's not a personal assault im trying to conduct. i merely stated that i didn't like the overall feeling from the demo. i'm sure your modelling skills are evil; and the scenes looks pretty -- but they gave me the impression that it was someone doing tests of various plugins (fx. a shadowmap plugin which has become so popular lately).
in particular i liked the scene in the screenshot because of the growing red-thingies.

now there. elaborated.
no innovative stuff, but it looked cute and had some okay music. so a piggie!
added on the 2003-03-24 19:51:47 by sagacity sagacity
so nice ... keep the FRAA touch alive
rulez added on the 2003-03-24 20:25:37 by nytrik nytrik
there is precision, all is ok
rulez added on the 2003-03-24 21:01:34 by sokoban sokoban
i know my machine isn't really up to date but this ran in like 0.5 fps.. (gf2mx,win98)
added on the 2003-03-24 21:16:16 by lithis lithis
ach gut !
rulez added on the 2003-03-24 21:17:13 by skarab skarab
pretty cool, after intial high hopes with the opening.. it was a little let down by too much repeatition. piggie for me.
added on the 2003-03-24 21:30:06 by darkus darkus
Indeed, it's a little bit empty. 'guess we lost the storyline in the hurry. Errr, that's quite usual nowadays :/
For the fake-GI-look you're talking about Rasmus, i admit : i used this demo to make some experiments with lighting schemes, staging and so on. That's why i'm doing demos : experiment. It might be boring to certain people, 'Redline' being obviously far from being the perfect demo.
added on the 2003-03-24 21:51:29 by fra fra
nice muzak, nice demo ... good job guys
rulez added on the 2003-03-24 23:57:14 by Wiss Wiss
i like it
rulez added on the 2003-03-25 03:15:22 by cp_ cp_
Pretty nice demo, but it could have been a really great demo. Atleast no speed problems on my pretty old machine :)
added on the 2003-03-25 03:37:19 by Crest Crest
nice but not my flavour so 8-P
added on the 2003-03-25 06:05:08 by verm verm
c bien mignon tout ca y'a qu'a en faire une autre j'crois
rulez added on the 2003-03-25 06:10:27 by stil stil
han ! good code and good music !
next time, more effects pliz ;)
aller nono, fais en une autre ;)
rulez added on the 2003-03-25 10:36:41 by Stv Stv
rulez added on the 2003-03-25 10:57:55 by fiver fiver
ahaha macaw is having a problem here ;)

art is nice but a bit too empty maybe
music isn't my cup of tea bit it's a question of self i assume.

demo is nice but nothing more
no thumb up, no thumb down, just a lame comment i know

blabla this demo is nice.
objects are cute!
rulez added on the 2003-03-25 11:19:23 by bizken bizken
Good demo, good design, good music :)
Graphs are also a little basics, but global design is here !

second place nonstolen ! Go one mens !
added on the 2003-03-25 12:54:11 by mdwf mdwf
ouuuups, rulez missed :)
rulez added on the 2003-03-25 12:54:57 by mdwf mdwf
- for code (lws flybie, no effects, black line bug sometimes)
+ for music (best part of the demo)
+ for design (good concept)
~ for artwork

nice overall, but there is still room for improvement guys ;)
rulez added on the 2003-03-25 21:14:09 by nystep nystep
Great 3d demo. Looks and sounds wonderful.
rulez added on the 2003-03-25 21:30:04 by dairos dairos
No design.
No Code.
No music.
No spirit.
jylam is definitly the worst coder ever, before rectum cauda.
Please stop smoking out scene with farts like that, and try doing something a bit *original* or at least *spiritfull*. (what I mean by this, is do a linux demo).

jylam on windows, haha!
added on the 2003-03-25 21:56:56 by TawnY TawnY
This demo has some misunderstood vivid feedbacks... I personnaly found it very enjoyable, way above the average. And it *has* a soul, thanks to Fra =)
rulez added on the 2003-03-25 23:40:48 by willbe willbe
After about 1 min I had to press esc.
added on the 2003-03-26 00:22:54 by XteNt XteNt
"No design.
No Code.
No music.
No spirit.
jylam is definitly the worst coder ever, before rectum cauda.
Please stop smoking out scene with farts like that, and try doing something a bit *original* or at least *spiritfull*. (what I mean by this, is do a linux demo).

jylam on windows, haha! "

once more "kikiprods" and it's members have proven to be both incompetent and utterly stupid.
rulez added on the 2003-03-26 01:00:36 by superplek superplek
Not bad, but the music is too commercial-sounding for my personal tastes.
added on the 2003-03-26 01:18:59 by Wade Wade
i got this mail:


it's from jylam....
occupy of your problems, noob"

i think that your capability to comprehend goes below sealevel. fucking frech idiot ;)
and who you calling a noob? you guys call yourselves 'kikiprods'.. oh come on.. stil wouldnt approve of that! typical french more-arrogant-than-worthy low-life useless motherfuckers.

go make another ugly totally-deprived-from-humor demo.
added on the 2003-03-26 01:58:24 by superplek superplek
must I recall you that this text comes from jylam ? (the "coder" of this demo)
so, who is stupid ? stupid steve-dave (c) (tm) (r)
i dont like jylam and this demo, can I express it ? pff
i prefer some of their older stuff, more diversified
added on the 2003-03-26 02:03:43 by TawnY TawnY
the music is damn shagadelic ! :)
rulez added on the 2003-03-26 02:20:31 by Zest Zest
"must I recall you that this text comes from jylam ? (the "coder" of this demo)"

first have a look at your own horrible crap before bashing jylam. and to answer your actual question: yes i knew. you're just too stupid to interpret remarks and the possible thoughts behind them.

and to answer your second question: no you can't, you fucking faggot.

now go sit in a corner, "noob".

added on the 2003-03-26 02:22:24 by superplek superplek
wOOt this is f*ckin cool !

Awesome soundtrack and Fra style, I want more ^^
rulez added on the 2003-03-26 02:28:56 by analogue analogue
thumb up, for the fun :)
So, Tawny, let's making some things clear.
"No design. No Code. No music. No spirit."
No design -> you like or not, you simply can't say there's no design (and I really like this one).
No Code -> maybe, that's right, not too much effects here, we were slapped by time, even if I think we can consider the (good) player as code anyway. I'm not responsible for this part, and it's a very good replayer we have.
No Music -> "ahahah". Sorry, you're just out of topic here. Maybe you dislike the music, hey it's art, sure not everyone will like it. I do, most of people think it feets perfectly the demo. You can have your opinion, but you can't say it's bad music (as your musician if I recall ok)
No Spirit -> I don't know what you want. I really can't understand this.

Conclusion : I don't know if you really enjoyed the demo, maybe, maybe not, and in fact, I don't care about this. What I care about, is the fact that you waited for the next demo I worked on, and you flamed it, just because I flamed your some *years* ago. It's quite lame to flame others work because you don't like me.
This demo is 1/ graphically nice 2/ smooth 3/ musically very good
And sorry, I keep my opinion, as MANY other guys, we can't say that about the crap bill gates thing you group released.
Just think 5mn before flaming.

(Jylam, who will be very happy to see this type of comments if they were constructives, at least a bit)

rulez added on the 2003-03-26 11:33:45 by Jylam Jylam
Ho shit, forgot something :)
"jylam on windows, haha!"
1/ I never made a demo where bill gates is evil and the penguin an angel.
2/ The Linux version of the demo has been coded at the same time as the win32 version, expect release very soon

same conclusion as the top message
added on the 2003-03-26 11:36:55 by Jylam Jylam
jylam: this win32 version already works with wine :p
added on the 2003-03-26 11:49:40 by florent florent
sucks added on the 2003-03-26 15:16:31 by kenet kenet
demo is ok but like couloir 14 and caillou...no news here....
added on the 2003-03-26 17:12:55 by iso iso
Yeah! I've enjoyed this one a lot! great work, not too many demos important released since The S (for me), this reminds me the colouir style, so you guys have a style?¿ funny effect on that *Thombthumb alike* Red likes evolving, cool ilumination, and great shadowmaps- You've benn using Luminaire on this one? the music it's funny enough, and quite good sincro. BUT hey! there's some kind of bug, beware of the delay in the very first frames shown at the beginning, you're precalculing some tables? cause this, the music END before the demo, and looses some sincronism
rulez added on the 2003-03-26 18:16:05 by JaK JaK
I shouldn't have an opinion on this demo but i like for one reason : there was a great ambiance during its making of !
(i thumb it up because kenet thumb it down for stupid personal reasons)
rulez added on the 2003-03-26 18:40:56 by redribbon redribbon
as you wish
added on the 2003-03-26 18:56:49 by kenet kenet
watching too much Intense Pattern lately? >:)
rulez added on the 2003-03-26 19:54:38 by Gargaj Gargaj
Very nice soundtrack, average demo.
added on the 2003-03-27 06:34:38 by Anders_24 Anders_24
Whee, I got the 1337th download from scene.org :)

Anyway, just supporting norecess here, nice demo!
added on the 2003-03-27 09:51:48 by Inopia Inopia
- loader and the not packed datas are not clean, black line bug too on my conf
+ great color scheme, ambience is good
++ music is very good, who sing ? Med or RedRibbon ? :-))
-+--+- too empty towns, some good cams, some bad cams, little bugs on lightmaps, cool robot, too simple synchros
+ is it a sequel of Orange Comes in 3D ? :)
+- more like a clip than a demo, good point!!! but too short
an OK prod.
nice and smooth ! I like the lightmaps
rulez added on the 2003-03-27 13:18:23 by guille guille
Rules a bit
rulez added on the 2003-03-27 16:20:32 by Optimus Optimus
zone : dead link in the pouet.net page
added on the 2003-03-27 18:46:39 by Floyd Floyd
Knowing some of the graphics from times ago it's a pity it looks like a scene throwing in the end. Althought the music is good in itself it doesn't really fit the picture. Synchros are a bit dull and not so timed. On the positive side the graphic style is damn good but doesn't render as well as when I was first shown it (strange wires in the space burger, jaggy 16bit zbuffer, washed out 16 bit textures -> DirectX c'est naze mais Nono arrête OpenGL ou alors régle ces problémes! Tu les traine depuis une eternité!). The music is really good when listened out of the demo, there's was plenty of room for great visual work something Fra manage very well when he take the time to. I would have liked some framing effect during the landscape cuts, better video/audio coherence, even a thin story line to follow would have helped to compensate for the lack of rythm. Also I really hate 640x480 almost as much as my uxga tft does. Considering the currently available demo panel this one is okay to see but has major flaws.
added on the 2003-03-28 01:01:30 by clafouti clafouti
a lightwave sceneplayer, but good scenes & music
rulez added on the 2003-03-28 04:09:57 by cats cats
tonton clafouti : the engine development is being stopped ; new framework is on the way (OOP rules!) ; GL is a nice cross-platform API but DX remains the best 3D API for Win platform ; Music is damn good and I agree, Fra artwork has not been extended to his limit due to the engine limitations...
Blah, don't know what to say, we will do better next time. Probably not a demo, things are evolving with time and I become more and more interested my videogame/tools programming..
Thanks for your comment!
added on the 2003-03-28 11:09:22 by norecess norecess
plek is so kind!!!!!
It's ok. Scenes looks nice, but it's a bit boring and I don't like house-music.
added on the 2003-03-28 14:50:19 by teel teel
I didn't like the music and the demo was quite short but other than that it was quite nice
added on the 2003-04-01 12:55:40 by violator violator
Music is great, the rest is OK :/
added on the 2003-04-02 22:12:34 by SaphirJD SaphirJD
this was nice.
the long loading times do not seem plausible though.
rulez added on the 2003-04-23 20:15:33 by hfr hfr
Awesome prod
Tech side is kinda not great (long loading, it lags on new scenes and the sincro is ruined, some texture maps could be more optimised to save video memory)

But it got style !
Very nice design. Absolutely kickass groovy tune that would rock any dancefloor.
Sad that demo is so short, can I have it running looped please ?
rulez added on the 2003-04-28 06:39:30 by Speed Speed
The music wasn't very interesting, but the red line is a good idea and carried out well. Very French.
rulez added on the 2003-04-29 22:27:38 by DiamonDie DiamonDie
nicely integrated, almost new
rulez added on the 2003-06-15 18:16:55 by Zzed Zzed
had some fresh stuff (red lines \o/) in it, but ended up being a normal 3d flybye after all. funky music didn't seem to fit together with the visuals too well either. definitely not bad either, but not quite enough for a thumb up.
added on the 2003-12-06 17:06:11 by melw melw
It's just Lightwave scene player... but very good player! I love this demo, the best of all i music! Very good prod!
rulez added on the 2004-02-14 00:13:14 by mshine mshine
It's just Lightwave scene player... but very good player! I love this demo, the best of all i music! Very good prod!
added on the 2004-02-14 00:20:23 by mshine mshine
very good player
I love this demo and great music!
rulez added on the 2005-11-12 12:27:54 by Szczupaq Szczupaq
good job on the music, visuals are a bit disappointing and look like a badly encoded mpeg stream. i hate 640x480 on nowadays monitor sizes...
added on the 2005-11-12 13:25:20 by keith303 keith303
added on the 2005-12-10 01:16:21 by jimmi jimmi
the music.. the gfx.. the direction... the athmosphere...
all fits so well together, wich makes out of a "simple lightwave player" a wonderful demo that makes me smile :-)
rulez added on the 2006-01-19 22:20:26 by v3nom v3nom
[C] - [O] - [O] - [L] - [!]
rulez added on the 2006-01-19 23:26:32 by ltk_tscc ltk_tscc
dull flyby.
added on the 2006-01-19 23:33:40 by Preacher Preacher
added on the 2006-11-09 15:42:45 by mrdoob mrdoob
added on the 2006-11-09 16:42:46 by v3nom v3nom
Could compressed better, but I still like it!
rulez added on the 2007-07-04 11:20:29 by Marijn Marijn
real great atmosphere for what's mostly a flyby. ups!
rulez added on the 2008-08-09 22:01:30 by skrebbel skrebbel
good score
rulez added on the 2008-11-23 00:10:24 by gentleman gentleman
Vieux cons power :)
rulez added on the 2009-01-13 18:47:23 by keops keops
Flyby and music sucks.
added on the 2009-06-10 15:25:10 by raer raer
Vieux cons power :)
rulez added on the 2012-02-01 01:30:53 by rez rez
@rez : Good memories for sure :)
added on the 2012-03-27 17:35:23 by norecess norecess
Youtube video: http://youtu.be/acs9M275ECY
added on the 2012-10-30 00:16:29 by norecess norecess
rulez added on the 2013-07-03 00:36:43 by ulrick ulrick
(also more of redribbon tunes!)
rulez added on the 2014-10-26 21:34:36 by mog mog
Nice design, excellent music
rulez added on the 2014-10-26 21:39:36 by noby noby
always liked this demo although nowadays it looks generic, nice music.
rulez added on the 2014-10-27 00:23:06 by kimi kardashian kimi kardashian
should have thumbed this, this was nice back then
i like it
rulez added on the 2019-10-13 09:12:32 by Flashira Flashira
rulez added on the 2020-12-16 21:58:52 by hydracicada hydracicada
Not sure someone mentioned it, but this demo ran entirely on JFYE, @NoRecess's Lightwave 6 scene player.
Indeed, 3D scene re-players were some kind of national specialty, here, in France, during the 90's-ish. Some liked it, but it admit the method in itself had some shortcoming.

Thanks Nono, Med, Jylam and the rest of the team for the great opportunity to work on this lil'cute prod.
rulez added on the 2023-03-10 09:52:46 by fra fra

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