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screenshot added by saimo on 2020-07-12 00:45:08
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release date : july 2020
release party : Solskogen 2020
compo : oldskool demo
ranked : 1st
  • rulez 65
  • is ok 1
  • sucks 2
popularity : 61%
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  • rulez 0.93
alltime top: #2109
  • saimo saimo [design, code, graphics, music]
added on the 2020-07-12 00:45:08 by saimo saimo

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Surprisingly well-made!
rulez added on the 2020-07-12 00:55:25 by Korvkiosken Korvkiosken
Unique style but not my flavour. Sorry!
added on the 2020-07-12 00:56:01 by grip grip
Congrats on entering the Demoscene Simone. I was not expecting this from you but it was a really nice release. Congrats on going all the way and even winning :).
rulez added on the 2020-07-12 01:01:08 by 4pLaY 4pLaY
Fresh stuff. I like it.
rulez added on the 2020-07-12 01:08:57 by ham ham
Really nice work, super fresh and interesting... Check it out !!
rulez added on the 2020-07-12 01:51:26 by kRiZ^cMz kRiZ^cMz
no fan of politics in demos but as a demo this is amazing. nice style and REALLY fantastic music!
rulez added on the 2020-07-12 07:38:46 by sensenstahl sensenstahl
Nicely done, great music and wise message!
rulez added on the 2020-07-12 07:52:08 by tometjerry tometjerry
This was really nice and meaningful
rulez added on the 2020-07-12 07:52:47 by Queen_Luna Queen_Luna
I quite liked the dot matrix and the smooth effects in it. Very well done overall.
rulez added on the 2020-07-12 08:43:44 by Optimus Optimus
Great demo i like it, very well done for only one person. I like the message too.
rulez added on the 2020-07-12 08:54:18 by Farox Farox
Great style, worked well on the stream, and I guess 2020 is not a bad year to release message demos!
rulez added on the 2020-07-12 09:27:19 by Dbug Dbug
Wonderful piece of art! Important message!
rulez added on the 2020-07-12 09:32:48 by Bjoppen Bjoppen
Now this is a surprise.. Where did you came from? :) Cool original 030 demo!
rulez added on the 2020-07-12 09:48:39 by magic magic
Good message and great visuals.
rulez added on the 2020-07-12 10:31:15 by SnC SnC
Well deserved 1st place, this is outstanding.
rulez added on the 2020-07-12 12:28:06 by Sir Sir
A classic is born. Long time I seen anything like this. Runs great on my Blizzard 030 IV. Original, great message, great sound and fantastic effects and gfx. Must taken a long time to do something like this and you did it all alone. Respect!
rulez added on the 2020-07-12 12:59:52 by nikosidis nikosidis
Yes! Fucking yes!
rulez added on the 2020-07-12 13:08:19 by Frost Frost
Very very nice! Excellent, original presentation.
rulez added on the 2020-07-12 13:17:55 by Mystra Mystra
Thank you for making this - magnificent work.
rulez added on the 2020-07-12 13:21:52 by Mibri Mibri
Really well made demo with great music. Would've liked it much more without the political messages though.
rulez added on the 2020-07-12 14:08:10 by StingRay StingRay
Nice demo, nice message
rulez added on the 2020-07-12 14:40:29 by xeron xeron
Cool dot-matrix engine!

Bellissima produzione Simone.
rulez added on the 2020-07-12 15:32:53 by AlienTech AlienTech
Fantastic job(s).
rulez added on the 2020-07-12 18:21:01 by hitchhikr hitchhikr
Thanks, everybody! Your nice words are much appreciated :)
Also, in order to avoid flooding the place with other comments like this one, thanks in advance for any future compliment.

(Excuse my noobness, but it looks like there isn't a way to post a comment without giving a vote, so I gave a thumbs-up; it feels unfair though, so if an mod could remove that, I'd be happy.)
rulez added on the 2020-07-12 18:29:38 by saimo saimo
Quote:
but it looks like there isn't a way to post a comment without giving a vote


Just use "is ok" for posting without giving a vote (i.e. neutral rating).
added on the 2020-07-12 19:11:41 by StingRay StingRay
Really nice stuff! Long time since I heard guitar music on the Amiga.
rulez added on the 2020-07-12 19:59:40 by Antiriad_UK Antiriad_UK
Quote:
(Excuse my noobness, but it looks like there isn't a way to post a comment without giving a vote, so I gave a thumbs-up; it feels unfair though, so if an mod could remove that, I'd be happy.)
Don't worry about it man, take this thumb up to compensate! :p

Also what StingRay said, you can use the piggie. Very nice demo, loved it on the stream. I'm not a big fan of such direct political messages in demos but the deliverance was outstanding.
rulez added on the 2020-07-12 20:15:20 by numtek numtek
Fresh.
rulez added on the 2020-07-12 20:23:23 by govatsapadam govatsapadam
Well done! Great style
rulez added on the 2020-07-12 22:16:15 by Soundy Soundy
Like it!. Great music!
rulez added on the 2020-07-12 22:30:51 by waldiamiga waldiamiga
Look mate, you can't just arrive in the demoscene with a production of that calibre as your first release AAAANNND on an old school platform!

OK, well maybe you can. It's a brilliant piece of work and all by one person. Love the dot matrix aestetic. Music fits the mood and message perfectly. While the rest of us are generally pushing pixels in some abstract fashion, you're using them to express yourself. It's a brave thing to do and you've done it really well.
rulez added on the 2020-07-13 01:48:45 by djh0ffman djh0ffman
This is bloody good! I can see that a vast amount of time, effort and love has gone into this, and the whole demo fits together very well. Congratulations!
rulez added on the 2020-07-13 02:09:48 by VectorEyes VectorEyes
As a demo this absolutely rulez!

As what you wanted it to be, a message, it totally worked with me...saw it in the Competition (livestream) and at the end i was crying. ;) I just cryed again, when i read the .nfo-file and realized i completely got what you tried to say in the competition already, altho it all went by that fast!

Thanx for a new Amiga-classic i will rewatch a lot in the future!
rulez added on the 2020-07-13 03:17:44 by ɧ4ɾɗվ./Lemon. ɧ4ɾɗվ./Lemon.
Outstanding. Dripping with atmosphere. An impressive display of design chops, not everyone can make scrollers look fresh like this! A simple but important message, unchecked capitalism and the far right need to be taken down.

One of my favourites this year, for sure.
rulez added on the 2020-07-13 07:18:48 by jobe jobe
Wow. Me like it and I don’t have an issue with a concrete message as it’s an art form... we always claim our job here as digital art so we should judge it like movies, music, books etc... and not many say political messages doesn’t have a place there. So it’s up of the creator.

So me like!
rulez added on the 2020-07-13 07:44:50 by Heaven/TQA Heaven/TQA
cute
rulez added on the 2020-07-13 08:19:47 by BiTL BiTL
Great demo!
rulez added on the 2020-07-13 09:35:32 by malmix malmix
Very nice!
rulez added on the 2020-07-13 16:33:51 by TMA TMA
Wow, the info is ultra awesome! You made my day by showing the motivation and the execution with that rather complete description of all. I don't remember any demo showing the motivation of it in the info file. Perhaps I just don't read much infos.. Great!

And the demo rules of course too! Stepping up with such a big achievement directly at start is somehow scary!

Some of the concepts you describe as the cure are really worth to think of, and perhaps good to be implemented. As said nice that you just put out such a big release, almost out of nowhere!
rulez added on the 2020-07-13 16:58:11 by mad mad
Very cool with the pinball graphics and that crew occupying the top spots in the high score table.

Love these bendy scrollers!
rulez added on the 2020-07-13 17:18:50 by rloaderro rloaderro
I like the demo and the political message!
rulez added on the 2020-07-13 17:51:01 by ghandy ghandy
cool stuff
rulez added on the 2020-07-13 18:05:03 by psenough psenough
tl;dr

But a nicely done message-demo.

And oh boy, what an Amiga firstie. Welcome!
rulez added on the 2020-07-13 18:10:53 by noname noname
While i fullheartedly agree with the message of the demo it would have helped to bring it across a little more subtle and less sledge-hammery. Artsy people like that, you know? :p
The music is very good as well, although the size of the demo suggests its probably fully streamed and not tracked.

As a firsty this absolutely rocks.
rulez added on the 2020-07-13 18:17:39 by wysiwtf wysiwtf
Amazing from one person. Amazing for a first time. The theme was pitched about right. A true classic.
rulez added on the 2020-07-13 21:57:25 by CiH CiH
I'm not a super-fan of the griddy pixels, but I still enjoyed it.
rulez added on the 2020-07-14 00:11:54 by neon neon
One can argue about the messaging and the context, but inarguably this is an amazingly well-produced demo which takes the viewer along for a perfectly crafted journey through a smoothly flowing series of scenes.
rulez added on the 2020-07-14 00:35:14 by eladamri eladamri
Wonderful. Nicely done!
rulez added on the 2020-07-14 12:12:31 by Aasemoon Aasemoon
Is the music available somewhere separately by any chance?
added on the 2020-07-14 12:20:15 by Aasemoon Aasemoon
What wysiwtf said :)
rulez added on the 2020-07-14 12:28:36 by AceMan AceMan
@all

I'm really thankful for your nice comments, especially those that show heartfelt involvement. You made me really happy! I'm not thanking each and everyone of you only not to make this too gushy.

One quick note: yes, it's a political message, but before that and more than that, it's social and personal ;)

Now on to some specific observations/questions...


@StingRay

I had noticed the piggy, but also that it constitutes a proper vote that affects the score, so I thought it would be just as unfair and even silly if the author himself somehow affected the score negatively. But if the piggy is the proper choice as per the rules/conventions here, I apologize. Unfortunately I can't undo my vote, so I'd be happy if someone who hasn't voted yet and would give a thumbs-up compensated my mistake with a piggy.


@?4???./Lemon + mad

I'm speechless. Thanks for the bottom of my heart.
Additional thanks for having taken the time to swallow the info file. By the way, I have noticed a grammar mistake due to a leftover and also that something was missing or had to be improved, so I have provided a new file - I guess it's going to be updated as soon as an admin finds the time to.


@wysiwtf

I see what you mean, but the nature of the presentation already makes understanding the message difficult enough: if the message had been indirect/subtle, then it would have almost completely escaped the viewers, thus making the demo a failure ;)

As for the music, here's some detailed info:
* it lasts 5 minutes and 23.2 seconds;
* the original data is 48 kHz, 16 bit, stereo;
* for the demo, the data has been downsampled to 28867 Hz (the Amiga maximum in 15 kHz screen modes, for who isn't familiar with the machine's capabilities) 8 bit stereo;
* therefore, the raw data amounts to (5*60 + 23.2) * 28867 * 2 = 18659628 bytes;
* I compressed the data with a custom lossless method (Huffman-based, no rocket science) that brings it to 10902907 bytes (5429340 left + 5473567 right);
* the data is decompressed in real time by an algorithm I wrote specifically for an unexpanded A1200, as I needed it for a game I published slightly more than one year ago;
* every frame the algorithm decompresses just slightly more than the amount of data strictly needed (so, after a bunch of frames, the internal buffers are full and the decompression stops for a frame);
* on my 68030-equipped Amiga, decompressing takes about 42 rasterlines, i.e. about 14% of a frame time.


@Aasemoon

No, it isn't available and actually I didn't even plan to release the music alone. It can be done, though. At the moment I'm a bit too busy with development (of Amiga games, that is) and, even more importantly, real life issues, but I'll keep your request in mind and as soon as I release the music I'll post about it here.
Thanks for your interest and indirect suggestion!
added on the 2020-07-14 13:23:41 by saimo saimo
nice / original
rulez added on the 2020-07-14 21:10:29 by krusty krusty
Wow Saimo!.... i've followed your game works for years, but this took me by storm, lovely demo! What an entrance in the scene! Awesome!
rulez added on the 2020-07-16 00:58:38 by spotUP spotUP
Nice (Italian) job!
Please consider to add a link for the awesome soundtrack!
rulez added on the 2020-07-16 12:04:30 by GasPanic GasPanic
Very nice production. Have been watching your videos with great excitement regarding the progress of the DotMatrix engine for a long time. Cool end product!
rulez added on the 2020-07-18 22:28:50 by MrVainSCL MrVainSCL
really nice effects

unfortunately that political agenda...
sucks added on the 2020-07-19 13:47:50 by Blast! Blast!
Holy shit, this was great. Thank you for making scrollers great again. Demo of the year so far, no contest.

Also, very nice political agenda!
rulez added on the 2020-07-19 14:16:22 by break break
Oh my oh my oh my... For something that looks like pinball fantasies score section this is big. Also quite big subjects for discussion. Unbelievable firstie. Wish it had lesser requirements though.
rulez added on the 2020-07-19 19:37:26 by rutra80 rutra80
Fast effects and so. Nice track. Political message is much too naive and not subtle enough like wysiwtf said already. Who can disagree with this message anyway? All just IMHO, so a piggie.
rulez added on the 2020-07-19 20:11:22 by Serpent Serpent
...aaand that goes as rulez :) well that's ok too, it's nice enough :)
added on the 2020-07-19 20:12:00 by Serpent Serpent
Before saimo asks for naivism; you did for once (cant remember in other demos) include freemasons in this, which counts as big plus. So the creator knows at least something. Along with other things like central banks (but not BIS?) were included iirc, but they are all among the same deal.

So thumb up is justified after all for it not being just another rant against imaginary "nazis". But still the whole thing comes out as quite naive. IMHO.
added on the 2020-07-19 20:36:59 by Serpent Serpent
pinball graphics, I like the term.. very cool demo, great soundtrack, sad and heavy.. but maybe we need it.
rulez added on the 2020-07-23 13:55:16 by hollowone hollowone
Just watched it again and I have to say it really is a great tour de force of naïve teenage ramblings about saving the world, which severely diminishes my enjoyment of the good aspects of the demo.

A bit of politician-, bank- and megacorp bashing, as if that's not already done on a daily basis since at least a century back. Something about being nice to nature and by the way religion and propaganda is bad but here's a picture of Jesus, our lord and savior, apparently a key player in human progress. All of it a fine and reliably predictable concoction of simplistic truisms and falsehoods, sometimes internally contradictory. Oh and also a jab at Freemasons for no apparent reason, because of course things wouldn't be complete without some tinfoil-hatted conspiracy mongering.

The Cure, then, begins as a list of UN's basic human rights and proceeds, equally predictably, to escalate into some wet dream about global communism, with a call for redistributing and limiting personal wealth on a massive scale. Presumably this should somehow be achieved without using force, because War Is Bad, yo.

The demo is technically and aesthetically nice. Some scrollers and transitions are very good (and innovative), as is the music (even though the voice sample should probably have been left out - I think it sounds corny, which was probably not the intention).

The message, such as it its, is at times not displayed long enough on the screen, which is odd considering the purpose of the demo. I had to watch a youtube recording to be able to pause it.

Then again, perhaps that's deliberate: the texts that flicker past the fastest are the ones calling for global communism. They are promptly followed by lingering on a statement about "being nice to each other", as if someone would disagree with that.

Anyway, keep on making demos. I'd love to see your creative approach to a different subject matter.
sucks added on the 2020-07-23 16:08:08 by grip grip
different
and great
I've been asked a few times to release the music separately, and finally I got around to do it! Here it is:

https://soundcloud.com/retream/the-cure

And sorry for the delay :p
added on the 2020-07-24 14:33:01 by saimo saimo
Very nice! I agree that the message is very placative, but nevertheless I enjoy the whole package and agree with the message overall
rulez added on the 2020-07-24 14:46:07 by v3nom v3nom
OK.
added on the 2020-07-24 21:55:50 by AntDude AntDude
Great work, love the rendering style and that you speak your mind. Also that it's not just complaining - but has a call to action - is a really good ending.

For me it's too many topics for the length of the Demo though. Especially the Corona part breaks the context you were building, i.e. awareness of the system that has been established and optimized by the upper class.
Leave some out or splitting this Demo in multiple pieces would have helped reinforce focus. They are somewhat connected yes, but as it is there are just too many complex problems which you only touch superficially in a very short amount of time.

Please accept this as constructive criticism and don't let any whiners stop you from doing another Demo about the exact same topics.
rulez added on the 2020-07-25 11:08:56 by r1g8 r1g8
Brilliant! I love the passion.

Great tune, love the style, quite original.. this is a proper demo. Carving your own creation, not sucking on the teat of other group's creations. Bravo.
rulez added on the 2020-07-25 16:44:15 by baldrick baldrick
So atmospheric and fresh. Thanks!
rulez added on the 2020-07-26 08:24:10 by kemmi kemmi
killer!
rulez added on the 2020-07-31 01:20:56 by cslag cslag
exquikur
rulez added on the 2020-07-31 20:37:52 by gentleman gentleman
This is a very nice demo from an artistic perspective, although the text is hard to read at times. While I do mostly agree with the political statements made in this demo, you are tackling some very complicated issues and the proposed solutions are not complete.
rulez added on the 2020-08-06 12:16:55 by lusensk lusensk
lots of cool stuff here, well done!
rulez added on the 2020-08-06 19:55:48 by blackpawn blackpawn
very good
rulez added on the 2020-08-07 17:00:54 by xeen xeen
Thanks once again to everybody for the kind words.

I'm posting this because today I received a nice email from YouTube saying this:

"As you may know, our Community Guidelines describe which content we allow – and don’t allow – on YouTube. Your video THE CURE was flagged to us for review. Upon review, we’ve determined that it may not be suitable for all viewers and it has been placed behind an age restriction."

Since the demo does not contain any minors, sex, violence, swear words, etc., does not promote illegal or disrespectful beahaviour and, quite the opposite, invites everybody to respect one another and the planet, and to cooperate for a better world, this really feels like a censorship attempt. Sad, very sad.
Of course I have filed an appeal, but I wouldn't bet on its success...
added on the 2020-10-18 13:01:53 by saimo saimo
@saimo: It saddens me to read that but I am not surprised that something like this can happen on YouTube. As you say, your demo does not promote anything bad but that does not mean that the demo cannot in some twisted way offend the sacred ideas of some individual confused by the inexorable certainty of his/her own moral rectitude. It usually happens when ideas related to philosophy, politics or religion are discussed, even with the relative naivety as your demo show them. And YouTube, like a new Pontius Pilate, washes its hands with these coercive mechanisms.

I hope this does not negatively affect your desire to continue making more demos that address these "sensitive" issues.
added on the 2020-10-18 13:17:59 by ham ham
@ham

Yes, it might have been like you said, but who really knows... Anyway, I have fresh news - just received this from YouTube:

***

Dear Simone Bevilacqua,

Thank you for submitting your video appeal to YouTube. After further review, we have removed the age restriction on your video.

THE CURE

For more information please visit the YouTube Help Center.
We apologize for the delay. Due to the recent global health crisis related to COVID-19, a number of our normal review processes have been disrupted and are experiencing delays. To stay up to date on any changes in our services—and our broader response to COVID-19—please check the Help Center.

Sincerely,
- The YouTube Team"

***

Glad to see YouTube didn't support the unfair request :)
Also, despite what they wrote, the reaction was not that slow: it took them only about 10 hours.

On another note, thanks for the encouragement! To be honest though, I don't have other demos in my plans: I'm back to making games (and related stuff), instead - today I hoped to release a new graphics engine for the Amiga, but I just couldn't make it :p
added on the 2020-10-18 21:29:57 by saimo saimo
@saimo: Good to know. Anyway, lately I just tend to mark as "mature content" all my demoscene stuff when I put it on YouTube. Just to be safe, of course.
And make what you want, demos or games, as long as you have fun doing it! :]
added on the 2020-10-18 21:47:04 by ham ham
Internet censorship sucks. Though I guess it's a pipe dream for the scene to move to peertube or something similar.
added on the 2020-10-24 03:52:29 by grip grip

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