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Terrai by stan 1901
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screenshot added by stan_1901 on 2008-02-13 09:33:16
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release date : february 2008
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added on the 2008-02-13 09:33:16 by stan_1901 stan_1901

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added on the 2008-02-13 09:34:23 by stan_1901 stan_1901
I especially like the flying grenades with their small wings!
Flower's rising is nice!
rulez added on the 2008-02-13 09:55:31 by hashdash hashdash
won't open for me even w/ copy+paste =\
any mirror link ?
added on the 2008-02-13 10:07:36 by panic panic
hashdash:
Hmm... Flying grenades - great idea! Funny rockets and happy machine guns, accompanied by jumping tanks and battle penguins - what a great scene :) Definitely, I'll do it next time :)

xiaomega:
There is no mirror link. Sometimes it opens a page, asking to follow the link, specified on that page - just click it. Of course, that sucks. If you have any suggestions on where to place this file, I'll be very obliged to you.
added on the 2008-02-13 10:26:50 by stan_1901 stan_1901
changed link. ;)

a bit ugly but somehow I like it. Second part (the flowers rising) doesn't really fit but looks nice anyway.
added on the 2008-02-13 10:32:39 by StingRay StingRay
keep working on it
rulez added on the 2008-02-13 10:38:05 by superplek superplek
StingRay:
Thanks for changing link! Next time I'll try to place demo at some more convenient site.
added on the 2008-02-13 10:53:41 by stan_1901 stan_1901
+ dotted flower bloom
+ sharing source
+ size (4kb)
o music
- quality of generated landscape (even for 4kb)

overall a good non-party release demo. Keep up your work and looking forward to see more releases!!!
added on the 2008-02-13 11:15:56 by benny! benny!
For 4k, this is really cool! The big fat birds need a diet, though :)
rulez added on the 2008-02-13 11:20:35 by chromag chromag
very good for 4kb, i liked the flowers part .
thank you StingRay for uplaoding it ^^.
rulez added on the 2008-02-13 11:42:27 by panic panic
stan_1901: you're welcome.
added on the 2008-02-13 12:06:37 by StingRay StingRay
By design this isn't really good. The camera movement and the music is horrible. More quality for the landscape would be a good thing.
But since this reminds me of Kartoonikum in a strange way so this has to rule! :D
rulez added on the 2008-02-13 12:27:35 by waffle waffle
the flowers are beautiful, the flying grenades with their unnatural movement not. -> piggy.
added on the 2008-02-13 12:42:50 by v3nom v3nom
damn ugly, infact ugly as hell, sound is hurting my ears, but still the code surly deserves the up thumb!
rulez added on the 2008-02-13 12:43:52 by M:ET M:ET
Damn. Didnt thumb'd it up. Sorry. My mistake :-(
rulez added on the 2008-02-13 12:48:22 by benny! benny!
rulez added on the 2008-02-13 14:36:24 by Buckethead Buckethead
OKish.
added on the 2008-02-13 16:40:58 by xernobyl xernobyl
Nice! Good for 4k!
rulez added on the 2008-02-13 18:00:52 by TOMPCpl TOMPCpl
I'll give it a weak thumb up.

Additionally to what the others said you might reconsider your choices of colors. That extremely saturated green (is it 0x00ff00?) hurts my eyes.
rulez added on the 2008-02-13 18:11:07 by chock chock
Hehe
rulez added on the 2008-02-13 19:13:06 by Optimus Optimus
Not so often 4K is released with source. There is also source code for Mesha 4K intro available, fast compare and there is obvious that most of 4K intros for Windows are pretty faked shit which has nothing to hard size optimizing and real coding craft.
rulez added on the 2008-02-13 19:51:52 by Pirx Pirx
Not bad, not bad!
rulez added on the 2008-02-13 20:24:47 by wrthlss wrthlss
Just rewatched it here at home and suddenly my monitor turned off. First I thought "ah, f*ckz0ring windoze crashed again" but after reboot I got some weird "you don't have your power cable connected to your radeon 9800 graphics adapter" error. WTF? after a quick check it turned out my power connector was burnt(!). So apparently your 4k is extremely hot :P And thus it deserves a thumb. :)
rulez added on the 2008-02-13 20:48:20 by StingRay StingRay
For melting Stingray's computer.

rulez added on the 2008-02-13 20:55:20 by Shockwave Shockwave
Music + Pretty flowers + 4k = Real Freakin Awesome!
rulez added on the 2008-02-14 02:28:22 by Rubicante Rubicante
Quote:
most of 4K intros for Windows are pretty faked shit which has nothing to hard size optimizing and real coding craft

That much be the most clueless shit I've heard. Could you please once make a 4k so that I can see the real coding craft you're so eagerly talking about?
added on the 2008-02-14 07:57:17 by waffle waffle
and what the hell is the definition for "faked shit" anyway in your terms. "Doesn't contain enough Sierpinski"?
added on the 2008-02-14 07:59:44 by waffle waffle
Yeah, I can nothing but agree. Even more strange is that he thumbed up "pretty faked shit".
added on the 2008-02-14 08:47:39 by StingRay StingRay
Overall for me, demo is good, although it has its weak points.

Props for the source though. Its a interesting read :)
added on the 2008-02-14 10:34:54 by mudlord88 mudlord88
ugly and boring, i prefer faked shit.
added on the 2008-02-14 10:46:11 by tobé tobé
not quite there yet...design-wise.!
...but keep on coding.! dont stop it now.! :)
made me think of jumalauta :D
rulez added on the 2008-02-14 19:35:40 by Maali Maali
Next time you might want to consider bigger (and tileable) textures than 16x16 and concentrate a bit more on the design side :)
added on the 2008-02-14 19:58:07 by Preacher Preacher
pretty well done, and also nice.

but next time red roses, it's valentine's day :c


stingray don't tell me you liked the music :D
added on the 2008-02-14 21:21:35 by tEiS tEiS
for the big fat birds :D
rulez added on the 2008-02-14 22:41:22 by rbz rbz
Meh, it's OK.
added on the 2008-02-16 09:08:33 by AntDude AntDude
sucks added on the 2008-02-17 13:43:43 by wie8 wie8
StingRay

I had on mind "many", I wrote "most". My bad. However, the truth is brutal: 4KB intros are about making something amazing in small size, and 4KBs like Terrari have nothing to real size optimizing, and are unimpressive. It's not my personal point of view. It's a fact.

I can safely say that small intros for Windows are pretty fake, while they use code from dlls, their small size is made by powerful packers, and OS dependency is big. And what we have? - Windows prods which often don't work under Windows (maybe there should be platform "Windows XP with d3dx9_xx.dll collection on powerful hardware" defined), often unclean, farts from speakers, big hardware requirements. The right platform for doing something extremely hard is DOS, and 4KB for DOS != 4KB for Windows. The same effects done with real craft were smaller, better, run great on slow computers. See Mesha, look into its source. See Addicted to Code. See Juggler 2001. See Another soul lost. See productions of Digimind. y0bi. Mentor. Comparing to Mesha for example, prods like Terrari, which we have many of them lately, are just totally poor. "For 4k, this is really cool!". "very good for 4kb". "Good for 4k!". "Real Freakin Awesome!". Earth is a plane! I'm dubious if it's even average for 4KB.

I'm not an opponent of small productions for Windows. I like and appreciate them. They are reasonable (as all categories on demoscene), just should be done really good to have "Real Freakin Awesome!" status. You know Minas productions? They are great. Terrari (and many other) is not.
added on the 2008-02-17 20:35:44 by Pirx Pirx
Also mesha used an exepacker (custom).
Anyway true, with DOS you start nearly from 0.
added on the 2008-02-17 21:02:44 by bdk bdk
Pirx: What is the difference except the changed limitations? Shouldn't the goal be achieving something cool with given limitations then and not complain about how a platforms differs from other? Is 500MHz cooler than 1GHz? Does the amount of available colors affect the awesomeness?

Why don't you list some below average DOS intros too then? Why don't you compare good DOS intros to good Windows intros? The marginal of good productions is the same in my opinion.

...and why do you thumb up every non-ripped intro even if you think it's crap?
added on the 2008-02-17 21:21:45 by waffle waffle
waffle

As I said, 4KB for DOS is very different category that 4KB for Windows, we can say that comparing gives incompatible types error. Why have I decided to cmp attempt anyway? To explain why I used word "faked". Languid 4KB intro achieved by about 256 OpenGL instructions will never be as impressive as the one achieved by thousands of Asm commands deployed in perfectly well-thought-out and optimized algorithms. I realize now is 2008 (sometimes I have problems with day or month...), and 500MHz isn't better than 1GHz, but intro which works nice on 500MHz is simply better than the same which needs at last 1GHz to run. We are talking about hard optimizing introscene, technical aspects are as much (or sometimes even more) important as pure artistic facet. For example, 64K Keops intros are very polished and work well on older hardware, this fact gives them many points.
And it's obvious that in each category there are good and bad prods - why I listed good ones? Because you asked what is real coding craft in my eyes. Also to cool down reactions of some people who think here is a piece of awesome freakin' hardcore optimized intro, and maybe don't know what a really great 4KB should be.
added on the 2008-02-17 22:36:15 by Pirx Pirx
Seems that my demo (really bad demo, in my opinion) became a "Holy-war" initiator. Well, that means it's life had some meaning :)
added on the 2008-02-18 06:56:33 by stan_1901 stan_1901
doesnt really convince me -> piggy

pirx: i dont quite get your point. i personally wouldnt care if a 4k (or any other prod) contains the most optimized and coolest asm code i've ever seen. if it looks and sounds like shit, it is shit. on the other hand simple code (and even non asm-code) can somtimes produce amazing results while using dlls and platforms that are considered standard nowadays. in my eyes its just a shift in focus (just like in 64ks and demos) in favour of design and concept/idea instead of technical aspects. and basically thats what seperates the men from the boys today. there were/are/will always be a majority of mediocre and bad prods vs. a small amout of really good/outstanding ones. so basically nothing new here.
added on the 2008-02-18 09:59:29 by gopher gopher
Was ok.

I agree that 4k intros are more artsy these days, but this is actually causing some people not to release their stuff because of the demand for music and good design in addition to solid effects. The 4k compo should be for coders.
added on the 2008-02-18 10:59:04 by y0bi y0bi
Really nice one.
rulez added on the 2008-02-21 07:46:49 by ltk_tscc ltk_tscc
k
added on the 2008-02-21 12:35:02 by las las
a piggie for crazy music
added on the 2008-02-22 06:45:49 by ioeb ioeb
i want real voxel!
added on the 2008-02-22 06:46:22 by ioeb ioeb
not bad and the flower rising is really nice - but the ground texture is total ugly and the corners of it doesn´t fit together
added on the 2008-02-22 07:23:20 by RA RA
Quote:
I can safely say that small intros for Windows are pretty fake, while they use code from dlls, their small size is made by powerful packers, and OS dependency is big. And what we have? - Windows prods which often don't work under Windows (maybe there should be platform "Windows XP with d3dx9_xx.dll collection on powerful hardware" defined), often unclean, farts from speakers, big hardware requirements. The right platform for doing something extremely hard is DOS, and 4KB for DOS != 4KB for Windows


What a bunch of nonsense. Somehow I'm pretty sure DOS intros are compressed too, and use BIOS/DOS interrupts whenever it's possible, and if they display text they use one of the awful ROM fonts. They're pretty OS dependent too, and if they support sound it's exactly one soundcard, preferably hardwired to exactly one port, because there's no space for proper sound support. A truly great platform it is, DOS.

Sure you get your rasterizer and a lot of other things almost for free when you're making Windows 4ks. That doesn't make Windows 4ks "worse", it just raises the bar for them, and I think some people have made really impressive shit for windows.
added on the 2008-05-06 11:37:29 by Moerder Moerder
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I'm pretty sure DOS intros are compressed too
Yes, but the compression is only supplement there, not a major way to achieve the proper size. Addicted to Code is 5.3KB without compression, and it's fucking hard to compress it below 4KB.

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and use BIOS/DOS interrupts whenever it's possible
MESHA.ASM has over 2300 lines and 2 int calls.

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and if they display text they use one of the awful ROM fonts
Yes, ultimate 3D fonts in Mesha are ugly, only Windows provides fantastic ones.

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They're pretty OS dependent too
I heard that zerobytes by Optimus is OS independent.

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and if they support sound it's exactly one soundcard
DOS... The best smallest PC intros don't have sound.

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A truly great platform it is, DOS
Definitely the best for extremely size-optimized intros.
added on the 2008-05-19 16:53:01 by Pirx Pirx
Pirx: go back to kindergarten and come back when you´re ready for real men´s OS.

This intro is rather boring, however the 2nd part is a nice surprise
rulez added on the 2008-12-27 23:25:32 by T$ T$
hehehe...
rulez added on the 2010-01-11 22:23:23 by Lamb Lamb

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