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This looks very much like the Amiga demos from early 90's. The bitmap zoom effect looks like the zoom in Sanity's World of Commodore from 1992, and the flatshaded cube looks like the "light source vectors" one could see on the Amiga screen in those days. Nice color scheme but the code belongs in the 90's ;-).

purple dezign!

Nice.

I'm usually against trying to imitate oldschool, but this looks and feels great.

yes. but looks too razor 1911ish.

everything rocks but the music

size...

roxx.

preacher: how can an oldskool group like hoodlum imitate themseles??

quite nice

las: whats about the size? approx. 80 kb is quite perfect for that much drawn graphics. try to get a colorful fullscreen gfx from a gfxer and make it small without quality loss or any artefacts. i think all that size talk is senseless when its <100kb.

this is real oldschool crackto feeling..
hoodlum is the number one cracktro crew :)

still same-style logos, but heh, cracktro general style is fine and original, thumbs up :)

and size is OK !

I like it.

music could be better... the rest is nice. =)

nice one. indeed the music isnt a killer, plus the b/w font on the right doesnt really blend in with the style of the rest of the design. but nice anyhow.

omg alpha one <3

nah.. quite ok.

I'm in the keops gang.

wtf?!
I have absolutely nothing to do with this comment and I totally dissociate myself from any kind of stupid war.

I have absolutely nothing against the author of this cracktro. Sorry for the author if my name got used like that :(

Have a thumb up as an apology even if it was not my fault.

I was referring to http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=17196

Then you're still refering to it ALONE.
Thx for not involving me next time.

keops is angry alalalala :P q: :P q: :P

Thumbs up! Cool cracktro, oldschool and nice, just like i like 'em :-)

oki prod. The pixelize intro was nice. The Vsynch was not with my graphics card it seems. Sort of ruined everything.

OK cracktro - liked the pixelized startup

I liked it. The design felt a bit "messy" for some reason. Good work though!

as usual... good

Ok, so the tune really sucks. But other than that, it's great. Especially liked the text mover and its charset.

well, it's good enough. nice colour scheme, and very good work by h2o and alien as usual. the presentation of the effect makes the whole thing look kinda messy, and the vertical scroller somehow doesn't fit in (maybe different colours would do it), but visually good enough. the textwriter is coolish.

but, erm, if you're using old amiga tunes (i'm assuming fabian hasn't suddenly made a comeback), you could at least use good ones. this one was utter bollocks. plus i'm sure there are today's musicians around willing to do chiptunes that are up to your standards.

Nice work !
Alpha one, I love you :)

Oops, said it.

"hol van a fuletek?"

Or make better prods.

alpha1: maybe i'm a 'stupid lamer' just because i'm don't a biggot idealist like so many people here... and i just tell you if something is bad... Yeah, what a dumb am i ?! :/

Hey! It's my opinion, heard about democracy or about free-speach ??? BUT (!!!) i don't said anything bad about you or your dog or family, so please... :) Moderate yourself a little... also don't know about your link with this prod. (nor i don't care) but i if it's your work and you can't handle bad opinions... I don't want to walking in your shoes... :(

That's an other thing: I saw much better cracktroes on c64 (better graphics, music, and more exprerienced code in the '90-s) than this one or other cracktroes i thumbed down... Cracktroes on pc nowadays are just _terrible jokes_. The same and again the same elements, nothing more just bad copyes of good old ones and don't counts i done better or worse things before or i should do...

cheers.

This is what cracktros give us. Flamewars. Aggression. Hatred. The Dark side.

Well, i don't want flaming here, but there is one thing i must write down. Maybe that helps you understund my opinion, i don't want you agree, just understund it... 'Coz the real meaning of cractroes (FOR ME) is _advertising illegal activities, stealing, crime..etc...etc..._.
I know people said cracking-scene is the root of demo-scene but so many years before when demoscene starts to walk it's way... Party organisers don't accept illegal or stealed or copyrighted materials, people (here on pouet too!!!) agains illegal activities. Why an advertisement of stealing is accepted then ? If these people like to show their talent they have the choice to do introes . BUT! An intro (hundred times the same from the same team) should thumbed down by all people and not just because this is a cracktro ? :) Funny is not ? That's why i don't like cracktroes. Making a bad intro and say 'hey don't vote badly, this is just a cracktro' is make me angry. I'm so sorry, this is my hummble opinion also this is why i thumbing down so many cracktroes...

Abcug!, its so funny, anyone who claims he has NOT A SINGLE illegal file on his computer is retarded and fucking hypocrite, u bought windos? u have original cd's of all your mp3's? u have never ever watched downloaded porn? u never ever copied something?
and then we must believe u, while u post that on pouet?
Intro's/cracko's are ART, like graffity, and every selfrespected scener knows its all about the cracktro/intro..not the release

heh if u start to talk retarded, so can i =)

to AbcuG!

alien: ofcourse this is a hard question, i just try to do my best... But this thead is not against hoodlum nor you, we talking about the product :). (but ofcourse i have a legal xp, use free compiler and have only scene related music and pay for cabelTV so i have music channel, also 'private gold' :) .

You can hate me because i said a cracktro and an intro is the same level and a rotozoomer or a sinusscroll or a flatshaded cube, or some blobs is not enough for a 'rules here' in 2005... This site call itself 'demoscene resource center' so a 83k product is an intro and this is not a good one (as my eyes see ofcourse). I'M SO SORRY, THIS IS MY OPINION! As i wrote before you don't need agree with it, then let's go vote differently, but don't call me 'stupid lamer' just because i haven't the same opinion. Thanks!

Ugly tune and nothing spectacular especially for the size.
No thumb down though, merely because I can't stand that continuous whining sound all the "cracktro artists" make when they face critics.

abcuG: cracktros are simply the most efficient demoscene advertisement, beside the Farbrausch brand :p (and Hugi muahahah)

"There are people out there, believe it or not, who still sit hours in front of their monitor to watch a cute sinescroll in front of 3D stars!"
who are these poor unfortunate bastards?
endless, pointless, blind nostalgia isnt good, kids!

You're right.
I can't understand how two duotone (256 color) logos, two fontsets, a rotating cube and a rotozoomer and a max 20k tune can't fit into 64k.

"Oh dude, that is a burn. You just got burned. Burned, dude, burned."
"Shut up, your armor is pink."

SIZE DOES NOT MATTER... ITS 2005 PPL

ppl who whine about size most likely have a shortcomming somewhere in their pants if u ask me.

show me where it says that cracktro's have to be under 64k, 32k or 4k., show me. please..

sizebashing.. its so laughable..i see 18y old kids here giving comments like 'SIZE!' haha (hi las)
its 85k, get a fucking life please.

The only thing for which size doesn't matter is the size of the splintered piece of wood that needs to be pushed down your throat.

Shoo! Go play with the rest of the cracktro retards. Size may not be the crux of things, but being inherently lazy *and* clueless do not mix well with being hostile.

the only thing saving stuff like this is that the expectations of anything with "cracktro" on it these days is so low that anything that looks slightly better than something from 1988 gets a huge round of applause.

guys, cracktros and demos are different thingz, not the same feelings, cracktro feeling is oldschool, and all guys who were in the amiga/atari scene (so no kiddies..) still love cracktros, even if, for u, it's "still the same thing".

cracktros rocks for the people who like them. that's all.

if u don't like cracktros, go thumb demos. but don't come here to post craps. ppl spend time coding and all.and don't need stupid comments by non-skilled people. thx

If size does not matter why are you so pissed when someone talks about it? :)

because he doesnt matter either.

cracktros and demos are different things yes. doesnt make it a proper excuse to cover up the fact most cracktros [hitch does nice ones] lack to meet up to current standards. oldskoolness doesnt neccesarily mean that you stick to the same fucking style for 3 decades.. amiga/atari cracktros were great back then, coz they were innovative or just in the right time perspective. imitating them coz you 'are oldskool' is just wrong...

Bull: Not the same as demos, you say? I suggest you cracktro girls take your teaparty elsewhere then. Start a pouet equivalent for cracktros and leave the demoscene in peace.

i thought about thumbing this down for the behaviour of some guys here (hi alien and bull, my friends! :)) ) who are "somehow" connected to this prod, but yeah.
OK.

1. bull, i guess your are not in the position to give commands here
2. if size matters for the ppl who vote, it's their free decision, not yours.
3. hi alien and bull, again, my friends ;)
let's go back to "oldschool" times ... did you have 85kb back then? no? huch! but yeah, who cares anyway (see 2.).
4. referring to point 2. my decision is to care about size. don't waste resources.
5. age doesn't matter. kthxbye

- more bashing later, first bbq! ;) -

*with this prod

rotfl, dbcdemo in tha place, war has began lol



did i ever saw something thumbed up that u coded ?, lamer. i don't talk with kids. let real ppl chat and stop criticizing a team u like.

and btw, ur probably frustrated, your 15-year old. don't tell me you were alive when amiga scene was alive. it's funny :). talk to you later, in a next cracktro u will thumb down for jalousey.

this is going to be awkward.

bull: trust me. there have been prods by las that have been ranked very high in the compos on well respected partys. and with high i mean very high.

CRIME! ANARCHY! CHAOS!

This thread needs some propper pouetization, but Mr. Cancer is unavailable and Capt. Obvious is chatting with the clueshoppe owner.

bull my little friend... EAT THIS (please read the info-): http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=16321

and go to hell you GOD DAMN LAMER!

ok you talked about amiga cracking scene and amiga cracktros i want to give you a tip dear bull, in amiga's cracktros size was even a really bigger matter than what it is with cracktros nowdays so don't tell me that a cracktro >64kb has the oldschool feeling. even if this production is not bad this really deserves a thumbdown given that they didn't care of the size (most important feature in a cracktro after a scroller hrhrhrh). Or maybe you are saying that size doesn't matter because you just looked inside your pants? don'T get angry so often or you will die young :)

muahuahha lol @ las. one only thumbed up intro ?, see you in 10 years when u'll be 25. and go play with schnappi's

dbrn, come to evoke, we will compare our dick size, i doubt a 16-year old kiddie can be competitive..., grow up a little between your moms tits. and btw, why should ppl take care of size now while we get bigger and bigger hdd's, larger cds and dvds, and we are in 2k5 ? 85Ko isn't BIG. the cracktro hasn't be presented @ a party so it doesn't needs to be small. a cracktro now needs to fit with a released game on a cd, even if it's 5Mb and it fits, and have nice effects, let's fill the space.

and why are u both always criticizing ? stop beeing frustrated guys. pouet isn't a ring, it's a website, for 18+.

well so if we don'T present something at a party i could also produce a "64kb" intro in 100 megabytes and say it is not a party prod so it is allowed? the point is just one: CRACKTROS ARE 64k! oh yeah you are right hds now are big, let's make the first 1 Gb cracktro and let's call that oldschool or with oldschool feeling!

" muahuahha lol @ las. one only thumbed up intro ?, see you in 10 years when u'll be 25. and go play with schnappi's"

you are kidding? are you blind? man, it's 45 thumb ups and one thump down. remove those tomatos from your eyes and you'll see much better. :)))

War started again.. what a shame guys.

First of all : WHERE is written the law about cracktros's size?
2nd : As long as the prod is nice, why do you care about the size?
3rd : okay, on amiga blablabla size blabla 64k blabla. Are we still on amiga? Is it a prod for amiga? well, rethoric question..
4th : If you dont like to see cracktros on pouet, then why is there a cracktro type available? if that type wasnt allowed, we wouldnt post any cracktros in here.
6th : Demoscene comes from cracktros maker, in the case of some of you didnt know it. Cracktros are ROOTS, yeah _ROOTS_ of the demoscene, so why do you bother?
7th : A prod is a prod, if it was written "shnappi the crocodile" instead of "hoodlum", and if it was written "hi, im gay and proud of being it" instead of "Hoodlum cracked Game name (c) Company" im nearly sure all of you would have thumb that prod down. Nooo, but no, your behavior forces you to criticize things you dislike. What about respecting other people by letting them posting prods (and yeah, by prods i mean CRACKTROS!) and share feelings with people who like cracktros style, even if the size matters (fuck about it, i wanna see the rule which tells it) or doesnt, and why wouldn't you let us post some prod you dont like? i dont take any right to criticize anything here, cause im not that haughty maybe, nor pretentious... or maybe i know what is respect?

blip blip fugly

<quote> im nearly sure all of you would have thumb that prod down</quote>
i wanted to tell " im nearly sure all of you would have thumb that prod UP " btw.

just to quote myself :D

welcome to the free world. :))

i think i didn'T understand the 5th point...

i lost all my mathematics skills when i got fucked up by a transgenic tree, sorry.

neither do i, the 5th point is very complicated.

;)

<hitchhikr> you eat the shit you produce man
<hitchhikr> and you produce the shit you eat

in other words, lot of crackto coders around have had their fill of

lamer, u got balls in your eyes, re-read my sentence or learn english. u coded arround 10 cracktros and only one of them if thumbed up correctly. nite all 18+

learn counting. ;)

dbrn: "cracktroes are 64k"? dude, what a bullshit. where this golden rule is written?

anyway it's fucking funny that basically a bunch of young newbies (apart from alpha one) are arguing what's more oldschool. yeah, compared to the real legends i'm a young newbie as well with my 9 years of scening, and thats exactly why i restrain from arguing like that.

and those are not serious releases man. i mean real demoscene stuff is released at demoscene parties.
who cares about this anyway? last comment by me to this stuff ;)
i was talking about real skills and serious releases :)

and on a second note, everyone knows how i'm all for a united scene and bringing warez and demoscene together and all that stuff. but seriously, my "mates pirates", if you are behaving like a bunch of kindergarden kids, it doesnt exactly rise your scene reputation. and i mean BOTH sides of this argument.

las, bullshit again. what makes cracktroes less serious releases than compo entries? actually, this cracktro is better than all releases of a small local demo alltogether. but perhaps it was exactly that attitude of being less serious that brought the art of cracktroes down to the pit where hoodlum managed to drag it out again. all respect to hoodlum for that, and you, dear titan and dbcdemo youngsters, should acknowledge that aswell.

dipswitch, dont you think thats what i try to tell since the beginning? read twice bro, im protecting cracktros cause it's a thing i do _LOVE_, nothing more. i have totally the same advice than you on that point, so please dont put my titan in that :)

14 years in the scene ...

As I said in my earlier comment on this cracktro (1st comment) it looks very much like Amiga stuff from the early 90's. So I would say it's justifiable as "oldskool".

Back in those days we never saw a cracktro as an intro. Why? Well, cracktros never aimed to impress in the same way since the crack of the game was the main thing!

Many groups back then did both---cracked games and produced intros/demos. Cracktros were never stand-alone prods. If a group wanted to show their skills to non-gamers they had to produce intros or demos.

Nowadays I don't care as long as more prods keep coming and people are creative. I will keep giving thumbs up for truly good prods. This cracktro was OK, not more.

let's go all getting a jägermeister bottle and blowjob. g'nite

Case-study #1:

Critique: "This prod sucks."

Demo coder: "Aww... I know but well, I'll make better next time. Thanks for the tip anyway."
Cracktro coder: "NO IT'S NOT IT'S OLDSKOOL YOU FUCKING IDIOT YOU DESERVE TO ROT IN HELL AND [b]BURN[/n] DONT YOU RESPECT THE NAME???"

Gargaj.. bro, stop being like that, okay we are wrong from both sides, but there isnt any side anyway (at least for me, im in artscene and demoscene, and yeah titan has a demodiv and an artdiv, which means we make cracktro as well in the artdiv), but well, it aint the point now. What i wanted to tell is that, well, okay, some purposes can seem a bit offensive, from both "sides", but each persons defend his friends. thats something will never have any end. For me at least it ends up now..

not particulary any good:: colors and musik hurts, and the logo is no more than acceptable

++i think, its silly to complain about size -- different prods have different means.. i hope this serves well as a cracktrol, doesnt make much sense without game anyway, what do u expect?

a quick thought : do you consider Wagner's music always bad because it was used for nazi propaganda ?

man should consider a cracktro rather as a -tro than as a crack- :>

was it written as a nazi propaganda? //

in fact if we forget what a cracktro purpose is, there's not much fun about these really.. a dummy? -- thats approximately how i feel about those intros here without real info text

Well, that would not be a very cool thing to write, would it? ;) Text matters, as scene-poetry clearly shows.

What, being right? Huff less glue and read the goddamn progression of this thread. In fact, read all of the cracktro threads that have gone off the scale. They all seem to boil down to:
1. cracktro people applauding what is technically speaking below average.
2. Then, demosceners are being less than favorable about it and a shitstorm ensues in retaliation.

Same pattern every time -I'm surprised it took this long before someone trumped the "cracktro is r00ts of demos so shut up lol".

Wake up call: we're not fucking interested. The demoscene has done fine without your sinescrollers and starfields in the last decade. It's been uprooted and potted in better soil, so to speak. Get a freaking grip, we owe you squat.

As said previously: take your pokemon tea party elsewhere.

Basic sinescrollers and starfields were interesting and innovative when done with small executable progs running on 8MHz machines.

Those very same effects are not interesting anymore when done with not so small exe files, running on 1GHz machines, with reused design and ideas already seen 200 times.

I have always thought demoscene was about creativity, challenge & style. If you claim to be part of that scene and share the same roots, at least try to be persuasive and try to bring new stuff instead of constantly plundering 15 years old prods and their tunes, design and sometimes graphics.

However, if you cracktro people really can't come up with new ideas, at least try to reuse those old effects (already seen 200 times) in a clever way, a modern way instead of constantly delivering those dull clones...

iro: Dude, you know damn well it's not personal against you, but hey, all I said was I consider this intro too big - and what did I get? A laughaubly weak try for a personal offence by someone I don't even know. Seriously, what next? Thumb-down wave on prods I worked on? You gonna pull a Skarab on me for being critic?

Oh and one thing: I DIDNT THUMB THIS DOWN . In case you didnt notice.

example: http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=16327

Bravo! Well put, cracktro boy.

shifter, speak for yourself please. you have ZERO legitimation to speak for the whole demoscene. i love cracktros and that surely makes me not a less demoscener than you.

I'm pretty tempted to have the pot & kettle discussion, but I'll elaborate: we != *.demoscene -just people who are dead tired of cracktro people who utterly fail to make a point.

Why would I have thumbed it up? Gosh...I guess you already found that one out:



I liked it. I liked the C64 vibe of it. It didn't look like a badly photoshopped piece of cracktro shit. I started out on a C64, guess that makes me partial.

I never considered the filesize being the problem to begin with. But don't despair, bonus points for being a boy detective, you manly man, you!

maybe all cracktros suck, coz the developers spend their entire day on clueless and needingless flamewars instead of actually bothering to think of kickass (be it with an oldskool feeling or not) visuals and appealing music so that whatever crackgroup they're promoting wont have to awe for the patheticness their youngsters are showing, but actually can spread the cracktro proudly.

i can understand you stand behind your own work, but it is goddamn naive to tackle _every comment_ on the fact you're magnificently oldskool and we're just goddamn noobs that talk shit. Causal thinking: if you produce shit, we considerl it shit! :)

And cracktros in a modernday fashion can be done. Just look at some hitchhiker cracktros, Keops' intros and GLRez.. they all show modernday visuals with a proper oldskool feeling and do not suck :)

maali has leading

i think you all could just shut up; none of you are original.

... the war of clones has begun... :)

so-lala... cubes are bad :(

imho the biggest problem is here that some people cant stand criticism. i personally like the cracktro. its not bad. and if somone say its to big its ok too. its his opinion. thats what that board is all about. to reflect your opinion so the creative people behind the prods get feedback and can improve their work.

what makes me clueless is that some people that are not responsible for this peace of work start to mix personal idiosyncrasy into this discussion. i think all this bullshitting like "you are just 16" "you suck" "you dont have skill" is a poor communication base and just shows some people here are not as mature as they would like to be. and yes even cracktros should be cool and not just an addendum to the actual game.

trigger, who began ?....

alpha, your tro rocks. keep up the good work.

woot! never forget "demosceners" that your scene started from warez scene c64 boyos!

Also, never forget that you used to shit in your pants when you were little. It's just that you (probably) don't do that anymore.

Its a cracktro
Its a sub average cracktro

Aggression and not a bad cracktro. Very entertaining.

Get this thumb :-)

i usually like cracktros too, but this is bad anyway (especially music)

TRIGGER: IAM TOTALLY WITH YOU :D i liked this intro also btw.

speak for yourself! i shit on demoskene weenies all the time

k

it's ugly.

running a bit too fast for my taste and its not exactly the best cracktro I've ever seen...

stfu kids (15yo), nice one!

Flickering like hell on my ATI card. When do these "elite" folks in the ware(t)z scene start to learn coding in a compatible manner.

hlmdemo.org is down for longer - still this was a clear thumb up.....

Good logo. The intro would be much better without that violet colour which is not fitting in some way. Nice scroll, but do not like these 8x8, which were were used plenty of times. Thumb up, since the final design is quite good, thou. Quite.

Logo is cool, rest sucks

Not that bad. However, the rotation zoomer in the background is very annoying and should have been left out/replaced by something else.

is that zip pw protected or just corrupted?

Can`t find anything to complain about but the music.
Seems to be a 4 channel mod? Amiga cracktros in the early 90`s had better music.
This tune is not very enjoyable, sorry. :o(

Gfx and FX and overall design lare looking nice.

Very entertaining flame war above by the way....^^

nosfe: maybe a broken download, try to download again, everything worked fine here...

downloaded several times without any change...

ok gfx, cheap efx, crap music

nosfe: try another zip client?

meh

ok-ish

have a thumbup as a counteract to all the bashing ;)
The Intro isnt that special, but i like the dezign and also i like Fabians Track. i could have sworn its a track by Dezecrator tho. But after thinking about it, wasnt it used in some 40k around 1994...maybe Gathering?

its here again, maybe i knew it from there: https://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=14589

yo

nice intro, but tune really sucks.