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wich gfxcard to buy?

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heey! my geforce3 ti5200 deluxe died today..
we had a great time togheter.
wich card shall i buy next? the geforceFX 5900 is too expensive and the geforceFX5600 seems to be crap (at least what i read in a article in toms hardware)
"FX 5600 Ultra seems to be just about the same or slower than a GeForce4 Ti4200 8x and Radeon 9500 PRO" well.. any hint? maybe ATI is a choice?
i need a demoscene defacto standard card.
added on the 2003-07-06 16:27:43 by mempheria mempheria
i got a spare voodoo2, wanna?
added on the 2003-07-06 18:46:02 by thefox thefox
What the heck is a gf3 ti5200? ;)

an ATi Radeon 95/96/9700 would be a great choice, if so many coders weren't using NVidia-only routines. And I wouldn't worry about DX9 support at this point, so an FX isn't yet necessary IMO, unless you have antialiasing on all the time.

I just picked up a GF4 Ti4200 not too long ago. Great bang for the buck, and you can even get VIVO with some models. Vendors are clearing them out to make way for FX cards, so grab one while you can.
added on the 2003-07-06 20:34:25 by phoenix phoenix
Yeah, I'd have to say Ti4200's are a good bargain right now. And probably better for demo stuff due to some invisible hatred of ATI. (Or something...)
I once bought the cheapest radeon I could find, because I figured no matter how crappy it was it would be faster than my tnt.
yeah, maybe if you look only at fillrate. however, it does glcopytexsubimage in software.

vitun kiva.
added on the 2003-07-06 20:53:26 by 216 216
Radeon card.... 9500 minimum... the only way to go.
added on the 2003-07-06 21:18:09 by Hatikvah Hatikvah
best ratio price/perf imho: radeon 9500 pro, better than 9600 pro (less powerful).

but it's getting hard to find, and is maybe less popular than gf 4 ti420, whick is now "cheap". the leadteck can easily be overclocked to a 4400 or more ;-)
added on the 2003-07-06 23:18:54 by karnof karnof
if you care for good opengl drivers, you should stick with nvidia.
added on the 2003-07-07 01:10:37 by shiva shiva
Buy a SVGA card. They work real good!
shiva: ehh, the geforce fx drivers are sooo good >P
added on the 2003-07-07 03:16:46 by Hatikvah Hatikvah
tell ya get a card which does the fast 3d stuff like gforce but read compatibilities om demos cos some dont work on some cards. I hav geforce 2 and it runs everything but not relas or cocoon demo. splinter cell is slow as a bastard but i can play it on my xbox

get a xbox
the ti4200's are the best bang for the buck.
added on the 2003-07-07 11:05:51 by NoahR NoahR
agree with phoenix, thom and iblis + nvidia is more scene friendly
added on the 2003-07-07 11:13:30 by moT moT
ATI & scene?
Time to read some old PAiN about ATI's behaviour towards the scene and especially the Wired'98.
added on the 2003-07-07 11:34:21 by fred fred
i'd rather say the scene is nvidia friendly. you get best price/performance ratio atm. with radeon 9500/9600, but then again if you're a hardcore scener who wants to watch all the demos geforce4 class card is the way to go.

although i guess this will change within a year or so as dx9 based demos starts really kicking in.
added on the 2003-07-07 11:38:42 by melw melw
I don't think you should let your choice be influenced by some democoders who are unable to write code that runs on more than one card.

As for Ti4200... I wouldn't buy ANY < DX9 card today. I'd rather get a Radeon9500+ for about the same amount of money.
You get a lot more functionality, and the speed is about the same aswell (and when you turn on AA/AF, the Radeon is way faster too). And, you will be compatible with the up and coming DX9-software.
added on the 2003-07-07 12:28:36 by Scali Scali
"geforce3 ti500" hehe sorry :-)
well thanks for all serious ( & unserius ) thoughts
see you at asm :-)
added on the 2003-07-07 13:36:48 by mempheria mempheria
fred: ATi is donating five radeon 9800s to Pilgrimage, so I think that behavior is changing. :)
added on the 2003-07-07 14:55:21 by phoenix phoenix
Yes, i'd go for dx9 card too. Even if it's a bit slower for same money, at least you won't be pissed off cause you can't see some of the releases in a month or two...
added on the 2003-07-07 15:23:59 by psonice psonice
Agree, i bet ASM is one of the last parties that demand a fallbackpath to gf4.. and dx9 cards are soo much more fun to code.
added on the 2003-07-07 15:25:47 by MazyNoc MazyNoc
coders should stick to ATI-cards (for the sake of writing compatible code). Someone, send me one!
added on the 2003-07-07 17:43:42 by kusma kusma
I have an ATI RageProII here, care to handle postage + packaging? :)
added on the 2003-07-08 03:46:08 by Shifter Shifter
phoenix: hehe... we missed our all in wonder cards at that time ;D. but for sure sponsoring is getting more serious nowadays.
added on the 2003-07-08 08:12:28 by fred fred
ATI and the demoscene as of 2003 (at least my experience of it):

My contact with ATI developer relations has been absolutely problem-free -- as I don't make games I don't know how much they care about the demoscene in relation to games, but they certainly care enough about the demoscene for me :-)

They've been really helpful all along, always fixing problems and bugs I've reported (in contrast, nVidia's bug report addresses has been a "black hole" for me). They even sent a Radeon8500 for testing (this was a while ago, before the 9xxx series arrived), which has proved very useful :-) Their developer discount rocks too. :-)

Their drivers (at least not their OpenGL drivers -- I can't say anything about their Direct3D drivers :-) ) may not be as rock-stable as nVidia's yet, but they're constantly improving, and "bad drivers" aren't a good reason to make nVidia-only releases anymore, IMHO.

So in general I wouldn't be too afraid of buying an ATI card just because "it isn't nVidia" -- I'm buying a Radeon 9600 now, at least... full-featured (with even the nice `infinite length fragment programs through driver multipass' feature from Radeon 9800), quite cheap and with all the speed I need (no, I don't plan to run Doom3 with 1600x1200, 4xFSAA and 16xFAA ;-) ).
added on the 2003-07-08 12:03:38 by Sesse Sesse
Sesse: ati d3d drivers has faults (atleast misbehavour according to the reference rasterizer), but only minor, and so does the nvidia-ones
added on the 2003-07-08 12:23:43 by kusma kusma


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