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"The God Delusion" is a good read indeed.

another trolling topic?
i guess ban him same as Zest so one might make demo about it then i'll thumb it down :D..
anyways i believe in what i like if u want believe in it , it is ok if u don't then who cares about you.
and yeah if i planed in having kids i'll raise them same as what i believe simply cause they are my kids and i'll work my ass for them and raise/take care them till they grow up, at lease my kids will resemble me more likely a fainted memory of me =). they will be my kids and i'll do the best for them even if u don't consider it best (but who are u to decide things for ppl?).
take care ~

another person not reading the original post?

anyway, welcome aboard, i don't know why this thread made it to page 10. make yourself comfortable please

"the god delusion" is a stupid book

thx for invite but i wont post again in this trolling thread ~
waiting for ur ban i guess then we'll see how awseom the demo about it :D.
take care.

Thanks to everyone who posted, I've enjoyed this thread. megazoom's post hit the nail on the head. Man is an irrational animal, nothing will make that go away. Perfect society won't come about by removing religion or other types of irrationality. Many of Dostoevsky's novels explored these questions.

"the god delusion" is a nice read.

:panic: if you post again in this trolling thread i will ban you and make a demo about it

No, you can see a recent trend towards totalitarianism brought about by people starting to take their rights for granted, which is exactly what you're doing. "The price of freedom is eternal vigilance" and similar phrases have been repeated so many times over that people forget the meaning behind the words. See, most of the rights you're so afraid of losing to rationalism our recent forefathers paid for in blood fighting against faith-based institutions. These include theocracies, religiously imposed governments (Nazis, communists, etc.) and otherwise liberal but still not completely secular governments (lingering blasphemy laws, religious views on sex, tax-funded churches, etc.).

Dawkins is a secular humanist, and he's also a scientist so he has an analytical and rational perspective on most things, but where exactly is the problem in that? Oooh, demystifying biology. Oooh. I do get it, though. You recognise that you're just a squishy machine, and if studying nature reveals that there's no hidden magical component somewhere, you must be as worthless as any other machine. But that's how YOU see yourself. What Dawkins' example could show you is that you don't need to be afraid, and that you can still live a spiritually rich life while accepting the humble truth about what you are.

Ok, so seeing as how the world is "gradually being dehumanised", when was it most humanised, then? Before Einstein? Before Darwin? Before Copernicus? Just how much irrationality would you want? Would being ritually sacrificed to appease the weather gods feel spiritual to you? Having your skin torn off because someone accused you of swearing? What exactly is so great about this irrational past you'd want us all to revert to?

what a nice example of freedom u claim about if banning me will show ppl how the freedom of urs works then go ahead do it ~
take care.

doom, take a look at what is just out from the "champion of democracy". (I agree with most of what you stated, so as an extension to you'r thread)

http://www.republicbroadcasting.org/index.php?cmd=news.article&articleID=3168

oh noes! teh christians r offendieedz by teh nazty postrs!!

careful, or he might set his slaves on you or kill some gays or something.

ham, how about this? ;)

exactly, which is why you read one of his reasonable books like 'the blind watchmaker' and come to your own conclusions

there is no such thing as a stupid book. but, some books belong in the non-fiction category and others belong in the entertainment category. you pull ideas from the entertainment category and you mess with those ideas until they deserve to be in the non-fiction category. err i'm jk. just some shit i made up in about 2 seconds. ;x i wanted to post something. have a nice day people.

I viewed this yesterday and I found it hilarious. That guy is awesome. Ok, for some maybe it looks like he tries to trap people with his questions, jump in their talk to prove his point or something (and many of the interviews where sneaky, he used another name and told them it's an interview about a spiritual documentary or something without them knowing) but I don't care. Maybe someone will but it was funny as hell.

I actually have this one on my car here in the states :)