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Is the scene still under the ground?

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My scene is so underground, its member of ERASCO.
added on the 2021-06-06 22:08:31 by D4XX D4XX
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the sport of Hurling (no not projectile vomiting, kind of like lacrosse meets field hockey meets a bar room brawl)


I prefer 'really aggressive egg and spoon race'


Haha, yes!
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Re: the fear of UNESCO recognition changing the scene.

[…] Some of the traditionalists worried about having to tone down the madness of the sport, or make it more acceptable or commercial, but none of that has happened as quite frankly UNESCO don't give a shit once you're in.

I don't see why one would want to change something that has been officially acknowledged as something culturally valuable because of that recognition anyway. "Toning it down" might put it in a state that wouldn't be worth acknowledging in the first place.
added on the 2021-06-06 22:55:13 by Y0Gi Y0Gi
And regarding the actual topic: I don't see how the question of being underground or not or to what level (no pun intended) is relevant anyway.

Doesn't it boil down to "do I like today's scene or do I want to see change"? Some people advertise the scene, try to make it more visible, accessible, inclusive. So what? You have to handle people potentially not liking your stuff anyway, almost like with "classic" art, so why be afraid of a bit more expose (if it isn't overly toxic)?

Nothing stops you from releasing something (if you choose an appropriate channel).
added on the 2021-06-06 23:01:55 by Y0Gi Y0Gi
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Doesn't it boil down to "do I like today's scene or do I want to see change"? Some people advertise the scene, try to make it more visible, accessible, inclusive. So what? You have to handle people potentially not liking your stuff anyway, almost like with "classic" art, so why be afraid of a bit more expose (if it isn't overly toxic)?


At least I had a sort of theoretical approach towards the issue (which apparently isn't interesting for many).

I maybe don't feel that accessibility and inclusivity matter a lot for this topic (I assume they are not excluded by what being underground means).

More than a question about visibility, many people probably associate it to some social ideas (for example copyrights have been discussed on this thread) or to personal alignment: lawful, neutral, chaotic
la_mettrie: I find do your theoretical approach interesting and constructive.

This is an emotional subject, and due to this it's probably a good idea to find common grounds on the definition. This thread had already turned out there clearly are quite different ways people look at this.
added on the 2021-06-07 02:32:57 by scamp scamp
Probably the core of my personal position today is that I believe that much of the outside world is frustratingly stupid and incompetent. I'd support a revolution by the competent/Brainiacs/Nerds any time.

I do value brain capacity, and I can find this inside our community much easier than outside of it.

More often than not, outside influence hasn't been helpful at all to my causes. As a demoparty organizer, much of my energy had been used fighting with outside forces of the "We only allow old people's music" kind in this overaged society that gives a shit about the young, the creative and the future. That's not theoretical, I spent two hours today again on this very subject discussing the problem of getting permissions from the city should "techno" be mentioned with a friendly location owners. [Not about UC]

Due to these experiences my standard position is to be a skeptic first when it comes to outside influence into a sub-culture. There simply are a hell lot of standards out there that I absolutely reject and I don't even wish to come near my community. The copyright mafia has been covered, for example.

Doesn't mean I am not willing to adapt. Does mean I prefer progress coming from inside our community.

To me, this is mostly what "staying underground" means. Being protected from outside forces I regard - rightfully or not - as potentially evil.

Other people will have had different experiences, and maybe have already profited from outside influence into their community, or may have a different view on all of this for other reasons.
added on the 2021-06-07 02:51:49 by scamp scamp
"lawful, neutral, chaotic" - that's the alignment that governed one of my dnd characters: a bard named "Lorian Liederschmied"
added on the 2021-06-07 03:56:49 by jco jco
Good point Gabbie, you convinced me.
added on the 2021-06-08 09:36:15 by skrebbel skrebbel
I'd say that the demoscene is pretty much still an underground thing. Try to interview random people on the street, it would probably take quite a while until you found someone who knows what it is...
added on the 2021-06-16 17:56:12 by 8bitbubsy 8bitbubsy
It's been a while since we had a good "old men wave their walking sticks at clouds / kids on the lawn", thank you for this. I particularly like the part where history is rewritten multiple times to account for someone's subjective view of events. :)
added on the 2021-06-17 10:52:50 by gloom gloom

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