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introspec: can you apologize to lvd for having written that text?
added on the 2018-08-31 18:55:02 by psenough psenough
psenough, but what if lvd did do this compo sabotage thing?

lvd, did you do it?
added on the 2018-08-31 22:31:26 by jco jco
@psenough, uh. So far, I explained my concerns, naturally from my prospective, clearly and calmly. My opponent came raging, threw a tantrum and almost managed to get in a fight with someone else. In addition, he said, in his unique and colourful manner, that if someone was to accuse me of being a paedophile, I would not protest as it would be, in his opinion, too ridiculous.

Well, for clarity, if someone was to accuse me of being a paedophile, I would surely start by stating that I am not. The fact that after multiple questions, not only from me, from completely uninvolved strangers, he still does not have it in him to state his innocence is kind of illustrating my point better than any amount of arguing.

Of course, I realise that I did not prove a mathematical theorem. I only saw first hand the amount of vitriol exhumed by him and his friends towards TS Conf. Their feud started before I returned to Spectrum in 2013, i.e. it was literally dragging for years. I only saw him stating publicly, immediately after the compo, that bricking a compo machine was a very cool idea. I added two and two. Nothing said in this thread seems to suggest that my conclusions were wrong.

However, let me go on record and also say publicly that if it will be discovered that lvd is totally innocent and has had nothing to do with the described incident, I will surely apologise in the same public manner in which I accused him.

So, my explicit answer to your question is: Yes, I *can* apologise to lvd for having written that text, if and when it becomes clear that I was wrong. I do not believe this to be the case at present.
added on the 2018-09-01 00:01:03 by introspec introspec
do not want to protect lvd, but I know one man who proposed me to make some demo with same purpose.

if one has such an idea, then it will arise in others. But, to blame groundlessly in the act, besides on its site - it's immoral and cowardly.

btw, lvd acting like moron some years - he deserved it.
added on the 2018-09-01 08:10:39 by g0blinish g0blinish
"your windows has been trepanated" comes to mind..
added on the 2018-09-01 08:44:12 by sol_hsa sol_hsa
And now I officially accuse introsec of being a paedophile.
And also I say publicly that if it will be discovered that he is totally innocent and has nothing to do with the paedophilia, I will surely apologise.
added on the 2018-09-01 10:30:51 by lvd lvd
A note for moralfags. It was a short example of how the ill-minded "logic" of a creature named "introsec" works, now turned at him. Like "if i believe lvd is guilty, lets accuse him. and until he would prove unprovable, he is indeed guilty"
added on the 2018-09-01 10:34:15 by lvd lvd
And this is also exactly the reason I decided not to try to prove unprovable. I simply didnt want to play games with seriously ill-minded guys, like introspec or goblinish
added on the 2018-09-01 10:35:31 by lvd lvd
Are you doctor? You are stupid piece of shit who know PR rules.
added on the 2018-09-01 11:03:02 by g0blinish g0blinish
Okay I'm just gonna step in here.
added on the 2018-09-01 11:12:22 by Gargaj Gargaj
Please be a little more kind to each other :(
added on the 2018-09-01 11:14:18 by numtek numtek
lvd and AlCo publish an e-mag where they lie, what they are clever and good. Pouet 2.0 stores evidence of their stuffing and provocation. I do not understand why you are communicating with them.
added on the 2018-09-01 11:34:10 by g0blinish g0blinish
The speech of goblinish is a nice example of how the so-called "russian scene" looks from inside. For those who are curious.
added on the 2018-09-01 11:45:34 by lvd lvd
Well, this escalated quickly.

Just for the record, I am not a paedophile.

We can talk about the rest once you are back to your senses.
added on the 2018-09-01 11:46:58 by introspec introspec
Do you speak Russian scene? sq, who has offended a lot of people, now cares about motivation. introspec, who climbs in the debate, provoking and denigrating others. lvd, which now plays offended innocence - welcome to the circus freaks. Although, it is better to stay away from them from a distance..
added on the 2018-09-01 11:59:49 by g0blinish g0blinish

Just for the record, I am not a paedophile.

Any proofs maybe?

Again, this is an example of what they wanted me to do - to prove unprovable.
added on the 2018-09-01 12:39:03 by lvd lvd
lvd, go sleep, ther are no feed for you.
added on the 2018-09-01 12:42:48 by g0blinish g0blinish
please tag this shit as residue
added on the 2018-09-01 12:48:43 by skarab skarab
Everybody sit down, especially the rubberneck over there.

lvd: The reason people deny stuff that they didn't do is not because their word is automatically filed as the incontrovertible truth, it's because they want to get their statement on the record that they don't agree with the act that was done - this brings me to another question which I forgot to ask: regardless of who was involved, what is your opinion on what happened? (Meaning someone entered a prod that was seemingly designed to wreck a compo machine.)
added on the 2018-09-01 13:05:17 by Gargaj Gargaj
Wow this russian speccy drama is intriguing. I guess I need to learn some speccy development and attend to CC19, so I can feel like 15 again.
added on the 2018-09-01 14:31:06 by sauli sauli
Creators of Base Conf taught the creator of TS Conf the basics of hardware coding and once he learned it, he did what he wanted to do, instead of what they expected him to do.

Well, I was actually quite good at hardware even before ZX-Evo, though I never used Verilog. Yep, LVD provided his source code as a working example. We also had technical chats where we searched common solutions together.
Then the question became political because Alone_Coder wanted Baseconf to be the only ZX-enhanced platform, disregarding and trampling the very idea proclaimed in the name of the hardware: ZX-Evolution. Evolution, Carl. Which never stopped him from dreaming to have a h/w video unit in Baseconf. When I told him that I'll have my own platform and video unit is free to use anywhere including Baseconf, he went mad.
And now I officially accuse introsec of being a paedophile.

As long as I remember, introspec never told anyone that pedophilia is a cool idea. So, the accusation is futile.
The speech of goblinish is a nice example of how the so-called "russian scene" looks from inside. For those who are curious.

None is true. You strain an overreaction of a single gushy person onto the whole community.
added on the 2018-09-01 15:53:17 by TS-Labs TS-Labs
So all of this appears to boil down to a rather small group of people...
added on the 2018-09-01 16:21:34 by jco jco
So all of this appears to boil down to a rather small group of people...
I think you are correct. I think my view on the Russian scene is skewed by a very vocal minority.
added on the 2018-09-01 16:44:14 by numtek numtek
Actually most people in Russian demoscene are even unaware of this situation.
added on the 2018-09-01 16:49:33 by TS-Labs TS-Labs
i just realized the release was supposed to break the compo machine! not fixed with a reboot.
well, it's certainly not nice for the compo orgas to deal with, and it'll affect the rest of the attenders, so it's definitely lame attitude and sure to get a lot of people angry at you.
it might have been a fun idea taken too far, or just ill nature to begin with.
compo organizers should punish that behavior to ensure it doesn't happen again at your party and that all costs are covered for broken hardware. people have been banned from parties for less.
did the machine actually break during the compo? did the entry play or was just submitted and found out before it did any damage?
added on the 2018-09-01 18:20:50 by psenough psenough


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