creative tracks in demos?
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by "don't watch over the shoulder" I mean, don't try to guess or imitate how one artist does his thing. This doesn't say anything about guessing or imitation the what.
some easily get so much focused on the how that they lose track of the what
some easily get so much focused on the how that they lose track of the what
phred?? you're good?? so send mails to netlabel!
you'll be released and you could meet some other good netlabels owner wanting you on it, and if you're really good, you'll be able to release on the best netlabels, these one who know ppl in some little record label...................................
and xerxes a recent appearing star?? i'm not that sure about, not that recent
btw he'll soon release a good ambient track on camomille ehehehehehehehhe!!
you'll be released and you could meet some other good netlabels owner wanting you on it, and if you're really good, you'll be able to release on the best netlabels, these one who know ppl in some little record label...................................
and xerxes a recent appearing star?? i'm not that sure about, not that recent
btw he'll soon release a good ambient track on camomille ehehehehehehehhe!!
phred: well, we're always in need of music for demos ;)
xerxes, recently appearing? um.. remember night55? 7-8 years ago?
anyway..
the netlabels thing, i would date the explosion of them back to the hornet archive's demise around 1997, or at least their end of rating music. up until then many pc scene musicians had for a few years been uploading to hornet archive and relying on getting exposure from getting a good rating. (in addition to entering demoparty/other compos or doing demo music). it was pretty good - people downloaded music by searching for highly rated songs.
when they stopped rating, maybe everybody panicked and decided they had to join a group to get at all noticed. either way, cos it was such a mess trying to find music, people found that good respected music groups (at the time guys like fm, kosmic, noise, mono and the emerging tdr and theralite) got a lot of downloads cos it was a respected brand where you knew you'd download something decent. so suddenly everybody wanted to release for a good label. and then every unknown musician and his pet began forming music groups to try and get some fame, when they couldnt get in a good label. and most of them sucked (although managed to hype themselves, and i think even believed their own hype).
and here we are today. it got even worse, because a few netlabels who were making real quality work wanted to branch out into making cds/records, trying to be a bit more "pro".. and then every kid with a netlabel tried to follow.
there was a time when music labels werent labels but actual groups, like a demogroup. and it was more about guys who knew each other rather than fame seeking. if you were good you got noticed sooner or later, if not you didnt. that was cool. we should go back to that.
anyway..
the netlabels thing, i would date the explosion of them back to the hornet archive's demise around 1997, or at least their end of rating music. up until then many pc scene musicians had for a few years been uploading to hornet archive and relying on getting exposure from getting a good rating. (in addition to entering demoparty/other compos or doing demo music). it was pretty good - people downloaded music by searching for highly rated songs.
when they stopped rating, maybe everybody panicked and decided they had to join a group to get at all noticed. either way, cos it was such a mess trying to find music, people found that good respected music groups (at the time guys like fm, kosmic, noise, mono and the emerging tdr and theralite) got a lot of downloads cos it was a respected brand where you knew you'd download something decent. so suddenly everybody wanted to release for a good label. and then every unknown musician and his pet began forming music groups to try and get some fame, when they couldnt get in a good label. and most of them sucked (although managed to hype themselves, and i think even believed their own hype).
and here we are today. it got even worse, because a few netlabels who were making real quality work wanted to branch out into making cds/records, trying to be a bit more "pro".. and then every kid with a netlabel tried to follow.
there was a time when music labels werent labels but actual groups, like a demogroup. and it was more about guys who knew each other rather than fame seeking. if you were good you got noticed sooner or later, if not you didnt. that was cool. we should go back to that.
reading this thread makes me wonder, even more, if possible, why some idiots still rip commercial tracks for demos. There are a gazillion good scene musicians around producing way more tracks than any one coder could ever do a demo on top of...
it's really simple..
some coders think themselves still as the prima donna's of the demoscene, the real stars, the one who do the work.
add to that that they can't be bothered to check what's been released on netlabels and that their tastes may not overlap, shake, and what you obtain is a coder that just will go the intellectually lazy route by fetching one cd out of his cd tower.
some coders think themselves still as the prima donna's of the demoscene, the real stars, the one who do the work.
add to that that they can't be bothered to check what's been released on netlabels and that their tastes may not overlap, shake, and what you obtain is a coder that just will go the intellectually lazy route by fetching one cd out of his cd tower.
smash, give chances to new musicians that's all, to my mind, you were in the best noise musicians (with esem and twilton so far i guess)............kidz wanna mirror you all?? hey it's fucking normal!!! don't criticize that, look at the scene, many groups are dying and will remain the liked one!
ho and then, it became hard to be released on mono or other groups like that........
i could speak about my little group camomille, in which we are all pals and our goal isn't to be known but to released our music somewhere, to have an identity maybe would be an exact definition. So yea maybez you're right, i'm not a good tracker and i'm trying to be on internet to pretend i am......yea but i'm trying that's all, is it that bad to try being good??? i guess no...
ho and then, it became hard to be released on mono or other groups like that........
i could speak about my little group camomille, in which we are all pals and our goal isn't to be known but to released our music somewhere, to have an identity maybe would be an exact definition. So yea maybez you're right, i'm not a good tracker and i'm trying to be on internet to pretend i am......yea but i'm trying that's all, is it that bad to try being good??? i guess no...
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can't you guys stop ranting.
if someone likes to build something on top of a track, commercial or not, let him do that. if someone co-operates with a musician instead, let him do that. if someone takes an (un)released non-commercial track, let him do that. who cares. i'm getting so fucking tired of these guys who got their heads up their arse.. promoting the stone-age "don't rip" moral. revise the insights please.
if someone likes to build something on top of a track, commercial or not, let him do that. if someone co-operates with a musician instead, let him do that. if someone takes an (un)released non-commercial track, let him do that. who cares. i'm getting so fucking tired of these guys who got their heads up their arse.. promoting the stone-age "don't rip" moral. revise the insights please.
And if someone wants to criticise the lack of skill and purpose of ripping commercial tracks, let him do that.
morning blabla time ::::>>
there are too few people who need "creative", "experimental", different tracks at all, they just cant get into it and get less emotions than hearing some nothing out of ordinary tunes. not only that, they consider different music to be amateurish and of lesser quality than same old shit.
also i noticed scene musicians are rather following various trends in the musicmaking and being all-in-all less openminded towards new forms of music than their "nonscenemusicscene" brothers. what's interesting, scene musicians are not really following trends set by "nonscenemusicscene", they are more into composing and envolving scene-specific (chipmusic, amiga-styled-jazzy-tunes aka diskmag pop etc) or adapted (they call it idm and if there is different rhythm and different sounds i heard its called experimental) genres. there are some good electro musicians and some okayish ones composing d'n'b and really few composing techno (as i noticed tho' not many know what techno is at all!)
ofcourse there are exceptional tunes being original and still working for an average listener, these are simply overloaded with feelings so noone can resist!
ok im sick and tired about this assload of ppl dissing and complainging about the musical quality of demomusic.
Please shut the fuck up. Every individuals taste is different, and that is whats really unique about us humans.
I personally feel that our group have been blessed by some very talented musicians' wich release good enugh music for me (a graphician) to get my head out of my arse and then create a framework for thoese magical productions.
[link]http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=7977[/link]
Please shut the fuck up. Every individuals taste is different, and that is whats really unique about us humans.
I personally feel that our group have been blessed by some very talented musicians' wich release good enugh music for me (a graphician) to get my head out of my arse and then create a framework for thoese magical productions.
[link]http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=7977[/link]
well, you are right that every individuals taste are different, and thats a great thing, but its to often that i hear demo-musicians that tries to sound like bstates or blippubloppy idm, sometimes its sounds great, and sometimes it doesnt (like in every other style) but there was an era with only strange music, and people tried to brak the limits in the their music creation. offcource this is only my opinon, there is nothing right or wrong here :-) *cheers*
i blame it on the coders demanding specific styles of music
'hello, can i have a demotrack'
'whats a demotrack'
'oh, something like this (dccs .xm of classic duneripoff)'
*puke*
'hello, can i have a demotrack'
'whats a demotrack'
'oh, something like this (dccs .xm of classic duneripoff)'
*puke*
true that
