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you all know what i mean if i say that amiga zealots wants to generally boost any mediocre amiga demo because its amiga (just look at recent tbl demos) and then claim its the most impressive thing ever. you also know this is because they are retarded inbreed clueless morons.

so whats up with pc demoscene taking the same step? has the hangarounders learnt that you should applaud and scream to death for a 64k with a 3dscene in it? or a multilayered demo? just because people did applaud for the product, just because people did applaud aether ?

just look at asm prod pages, mediocre / average, even quite good stuff being pushed up by visitors and lamers to become legendary productions, i bet nobody will remember any of the winning asm productions next year (except the creators).

oh, and yeah.. almost forgot: this trend kindof started with conspiracys first crap intro.

I disagree completely.

I agree with most of his points and will join in the rant. It's like all these morons who applaud 256byte intros because they're 256 bytes. Same with applauding shit because it's Amiga, C64, Spectrum or whatever.

Demomakers have a choice. They don't need to use Amigas or code in a few bytes, so if their prods look shit it's their own fault! I hate this "It looks shit, but hey it's only 4k" attitude.

PS. Welcome back Stefan!! :)

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or maybe the demoscene is dying and people are oh so happy when they see something half decent on the bigscreen at a party instead of horrible werkzeug demos and stupid storyshit.

I applaud when I see something nice on the bigscreen.
I shout when I see something really nice on the bigscreen.
I judge prods as legendary when time's due.

Fiat Homo, Iconoclast, and Instant Zen were really nice.

Excuse me for being that lame.

WTF?
you must be kidding..

Wow, both a troll and he has a point *head explodes*

I don't care to comment on the main point of this thread, since I don't follow the PC scene, but a lot of people judge demos within their context.

People producing Amiga demos will be more able to appreciate how difficult it is to do certain things on the Amiga and take that into account when judging a demo or an effect. A case in point is the voxels in TBL's latest demo. They aren't the most beautiful voxels in the world (although they did look better in some scenes than others), but a lot of Amiga coders will appreciate the effort behind the effect, and therefore appreciate it more than someone who has no idea about it and judges it purely on aesthetics (in which case they might as well be watching an animation and not a demo...). This doesn't make the people who DO appreciate such things 'morons' it just means they have a different context from which they judge the relative merits of the effects.

This is presumably also why Shane doesn't appreciate size-limited categories. He cannot code, he has no interest in code, and therefore has no appreciation for coding. Other people will look at a 256byte intro and have some idea of how hard it is to make the effect on the screen in 256 bytes. So who is the moron? The guy that judges the 256 byte intro by the same standards he would judge a 20Mb demo, or the guy that appreciates the talents of a coder managing to squeeze an effect into the tiniest space? The answer: Neither. The moron is the one who bitches about people enjoying size-limited productions because he doesn't like them himself. Just like always, the moron is Shane.

im all for not accepting something mediocre. as the quote goes, "why do your best when mediocrity is good enough?".
e.g. why the hell do people go crazy every time they see fucking blur and glow on cubes for the 1000th time?

true classics are absolutely few and far between. thats the point of "classics" isnt it? in fact the last real classic 64k i can think of was in 2000 - heaven 7 or the product. so dont call something the best evah straight away, see how you feel in 2 years or something when you can see what impact it had.
oh, but just because it's not definately a true classic doesnt prevent you from liking something. and hopefully the presence or lack of hype wont influence whether you like it or not either, unless you're some kind of sheep.

shane (i dont know why im bothering to answer a troll, but hey), the 256 byte, 4k etc etc compos are clearly aimed predominately at those people who have a clue about the technical side of it, so if you dont, do them the courtesy of not whining about it. oh, and i hope you (or at least some of the people who use your account) will show up for sundown 2005?

@smash
There are other reasons for making demos than to do the best you can possibly do. I know thats the main reason, but its not the only one.

I've made quite a few demos that didn't really stretch either the computer or my programming skills to the limit, but I made them because it was fun and I enjoyed doing it. Sometimes i've been coding stupid demos with Dr. Doom and laughed so hard my sides were hurting. With those demos, I don't care how many thumb-downs I get, I did it for the fun of it and because I enjoy demo coding even when its not "cutting edge" (well, my skills are nowhere near "cutting edge" but you know what I mean).

Errr.. this is somewhat beside the point though, i do agree that people shouldn't shout "BEST DEMO EVAH!!!11" at every other production.

This thread made me think that Pouet could need a thread assessment system. Maybe sth. like heise online (german only), which is
described here (german only).

xeron, absolutely, ive done so myself too.

All demofreaks are morons.

all <people visiting this website including me> are <idiotic people that have no clue>

right..

Differences in taste i'd say. if ppl wanna do hypnoglow and there's even a bunch of people enjoying watching the 1000th hypnoglow demo, that's their problem, not mine :P

stefan, it's your only chance, release all your stuff while on the wave

Bullshit. Some hardwares and competitions have limited capabilities. E.g. you don't expect to get 24bpp from GameBoy. It depends what you appreciate. Demos aren't beautiful effects only but good code too. Small code *is* one of good code's sides. And Conspiracy's prods *are* good, except they're slow.
Same with flybies. Most of DOS prods have their own engine, no OGL/DX crap, so writing about "flybies are bad" is somewhat stupid.
It's demoscene, not computer graphics scene, and coders' skills are very important. Discrediting C64/intro/whatever just because it pains eyes and doesn't sound nice is big mistake. That's the point. I see here paranoia. "Good" doesn't mean "best" nor "legendary" – prod to be good mustn't be either of them. That's the one matter with which I can agree.

Ehm, crazy about blur? Not me, I hate that – it's bottleneck for my G450 :O .

Whatsup with the almost non-existant Mac scene?

opinions are like assholes everyone has got one but some are more hairy than others

We (the mac demoscene) had 2 demos in the demo compo at asm. Zplex had... um... 0? So, what's up with Zplex? Is he as big a lamer as Shane? Is he a bigger lamer? Do we care?

Better question: who the fuck cares what fucking platform it was, it's about making demos and releasing things for people to enjoy. If they don't, and you had fun making the demo, it still rules. If they do, and you didn't have fun making the demo, it still sucks.

Anyone thinking the scene is about making demos for their personal enjoyment needs to go fuck themselves, hard, with a rusty machete.

(perhaps someone could put that sentence into a language where 'their' could be less ambiguous. In this case, the object (personal enjoyment) is supposed to be attached to the ignoramus doing the thinking, not the scene.)

"it's about making demos and releasing things for people to enjoy."

And you (Mac scene) released things that people do not enjoy.

*starts looking for a machete*

Er, you are infringing on the third amendement of the Limp Ninja Charter.