moderation on pouet today
category: general [glöplog]
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So, is it in our interest that the AI shitshow continues endlessly at the Oneliner or is there a way forward?
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Quote:The oneliner is the perfect loophole forum thread. It can't be locked or moved to residue, and posts are shoved into the face of everyone visiting the front page for maximum engagement.
You can disable it in your settings so you don’t have to see it.
I wish I knew that earlier so then I am not compelled sometimes to post.
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Quote:So, is it in our interest that the AI shitshow continues endlessly at the Oneliner or is there a way forward?
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You can disable it in your settings so you don’t have to see it.
Won't help me. Even if the oneliner never was the source of serious talk I always loved to read what else is going on here and now it's swamped with AI yes/no shit cos it's being abused as the next spillover.
I agree 100%:
For example, I use YouTube to constantly learn new things.
Both for music-related topics and in the field of graphic design.
These days, the problem isn’t going away because of the blockers I’ve
installed in my browser—it’s just being pushed aside. And it doesn’t
Look like this is going to be better in the future.
When I visit Pouet, I don’t want to have this problem on top of everything else
—it’s incredibly annoying. I have to live with it on other platforms. But not here.
I have nothing against a little banter, friendly competition, completely craziness,
heated discussions or people talking nonsense sometimes - that’s the demoscene.
And I love it for that.
I have a problem with people who hog the spotlight—not in a good, admirable way
where you might even learn something, but to drag others down into their own mess.
I’m convinced that if someone is going through a rough time, the demo scene will help
them out. But some people won’t even accept that help.
And I have a big problem with constant passive aggression, Whining and AI BS.
Everyone has a bad day sometimes, but this toxicity has been going on for
way too long.
administrators—I support this cause if you take the necessary steps to get this under control as best as possible.
Otherwise, I - and I believe other who don’t even respond to this.
won’t feel like contributing anything constructive here anymore.
For example, I use YouTube to constantly learn new things.
Both for music-related topics and in the field of graphic design.
These days, the problem isn’t going away because of the blockers I’ve
installed in my browser—it’s just being pushed aside. And it doesn’t
Look like this is going to be better in the future.
When I visit Pouet, I don’t want to have this problem on top of everything else
—it’s incredibly annoying. I have to live with it on other platforms. But not here.
I have nothing against a little banter, friendly competition, completely craziness,
heated discussions or people talking nonsense sometimes - that’s the demoscene.
And I love it for that.
I have a problem with people who hog the spotlight—not in a good, admirable way
where you might even learn something, but to drag others down into their own mess.
I’m convinced that if someone is going through a rough time, the demo scene will help
them out. But some people won’t even accept that help.
And I have a big problem with constant passive aggression, Whining and AI BS.
Everyone has a bad day sometimes, but this toxicity has been going on for
way too long.
administrators—I support this cause if you take the necessary steps to get this under control as best as possible.
Otherwise, I - and I believe other who don’t even respond to this.
won’t feel like contributing anything constructive here anymore.
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Won't help me. Even if the oneliner never was the source of serious talk I always loved to read what else is going on here and now it's swamped with AI yes/no shit cos it's being abused as the next spillover.
Hell, same, it's a shame things just go to shit i guess.
the problem is that the main perpetrator who loves "spreading counter-conspiracy" deliberately doesn't read the room
Yes, I know,
I read through everything on Discord to understand what happened there
I read through everything on Discord to understand what happened there
The one-liner is absolutely not a good place to discuss AI or any other controversial matter.. I fully agree with it.
Please understand the context. I was banned from Discord by going against the grain - namely arguing with dipswitch, KB and darya about AI transparency issue on the Amiga and pixel-art scene.
And I wasn't even mad. It's your Discord - in control of KB and Bombe. Since it's a small Discord server they have full autonomy there (by Discord rules). Pouet is also your website. It is controlled by just a handful of scenes in the same circle so to say as Discord. So you are free to make any decisions you want here. Nobody will stop you.
At the same time, let's not pretend your demoscene is a common good, open to everyone.
As for AI discussions. I'm not even pro-AI. If anything, I'm AI-neutral (Switzerland-style with all the bad and good aspects of it). I understand all the problems, especially copyright issues and environmental concerns, but I can see this doesn't stop anyone from using it.
At the same time, I see growing usage of AI tools on the demoscene. Whether it is for generate art in Amiga demos, AI-inspired pixel art or using coding assistance for making demoscene tools. And please let's not pretend it's not happening.
Recently, my Discord ban expired. So, as an intermediate, I suggested to create a separate thread on Discord specifically related to all things AI. The whole point of it being transparency who is using AI in which context. If anyone is not interested in the topic, they wouldn't even have to go there. Everyone happy, I would think. But no! Immediately after my suggestion, I was trashed, dragged into back&forth trolling accusations and ultimately banned again.
At this point, it seems, you don't really want to find solution to the problem. You just want to whine about how bad society and AI is. And then swipe all problems under the carpet. Fine for me, as I said, it's your website/discord.
Please understand the context. I was banned from Discord by going against the grain - namely arguing with dipswitch, KB and darya about AI transparency issue on the Amiga and pixel-art scene.
And I wasn't even mad. It's your Discord - in control of KB and Bombe. Since it's a small Discord server they have full autonomy there (by Discord rules). Pouet is also your website. It is controlled by just a handful of scenes in the same circle so to say as Discord. So you are free to make any decisions you want here. Nobody will stop you.
At the same time, let's not pretend your demoscene is a common good, open to everyone.
As for AI discussions. I'm not even pro-AI. If anything, I'm AI-neutral (Switzerland-style with all the bad and good aspects of it). I understand all the problems, especially copyright issues and environmental concerns, but I can see this doesn't stop anyone from using it.
At the same time, I see growing usage of AI tools on the demoscene. Whether it is for generate art in Amiga demos, AI-inspired pixel art or using coding assistance for making demoscene tools. And please let's not pretend it's not happening.
Recently, my Discord ban expired. So, as an intermediate, I suggested to create a separate thread on Discord specifically related to all things AI. The whole point of it being transparency who is using AI in which context. If anyone is not interested in the topic, they wouldn't even have to go there. Everyone happy, I would think. But no! Immediately after my suggestion, I was trashed, dragged into back&forth trolling accusations and ultimately banned again.
At this point, it seems, you don't really want to find solution to the problem. You just want to whine about how bad society and AI is. And then swipe all problems under the carpet. Fine for me, as I said, it's your website/discord.
quote: Idk, another theory is, some were doing it just to annoy Gargaj. Now that he doesn't care anymore, what's the point ;P
this is all i need to know about you
this is all i need to know about you
cosmicollie: the judge has spoken, case closed, huh
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At this point, it seems, you don't really want to find solution to the problem.
What solution do you propose to the problem of people like yourself constantly bringing up AI in every conversation?
absence: with all respect, did you read I just suggested all things AI related thread on Discord, precisely to stop discussion diverging to other channels?
since when is just fucking stop talking about AI not a solution to a problem you seem to create yourself constantly.
Since when silencing people rising a problem is solution to problem?
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Lmao
tomkh: you act like theres a whole movement here about AI. there isnt. people just do their own thing and if you overdo the AI stuff you get some flak, that's it. it was all talked out in endless debates on the bbs already. if you use AI, use it and accept how ppl here judge it. if you dont, dont. theres no problem here, its mostly just you bringing it back up.
”As you can see dear jury, I am the real victim here, actually.”
neoman: I see, so there is absolutely no problem, besides people like me bringing up the topic from time to time, cool, cool, good to know.
oh sweet summer child neoman, just wait for this thread to go in residue and then boom, back to the oneliner again.
folks, we've been through this.
folks, we've been through this.
uncle-x: victim of what? I never said I'm a victim here. You do you.
Pinksquare and rotating thumb VS yellow robot.
But who will win?
Depends who will write demo about it!
But who will win?
Depends who will write demo about it!
right, who the eff r u already
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Depends who will write demo about it!
Oh, don't you worry, I will. My agents churn 24/7 on it.
Pinksquare, someone who thinks that the fight
for the last place in this fight will be hot!
for the last place in this fight will be hot!