The Demoscene might not be about limitations anymore
category: general [glöplog]
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This argumentation is a bit like
"True C64 demos must be loaded from tape because the floppy drive was definitely an expansion".
And that's completely fine for me but in fact nobody does that today.
That's why they have One File Demo category on C64.
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Is it? One-filed C-64 demos that require a disk drive exist.That's why they have One File Demo category on C64.
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"because the floppy drive was definitely an expansion"
Oh, trust me, as someone who only had a Datassette back in the day, the fact that the floppy drive was definitely expansion to the C64 couldn't be more painfully obvious to me.
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nobody does that today.
"Nobody" was really doing stock A1200 releases until now... And if we're talking "stock", lets talk stock-stock. (Also, what 4gentE said about One Filer entries.)
But of course any parties is free to come up with their own set of rules and limitations, it's just where I'm going to draw the lines, unless someone present me some very good argument they should be elsewhere.
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I find it funny (in lack of a better word) how some people think (pretend to think?) that a well defined set of rules in a competition can be waved off with cool keywords like "police", "law", "freedom", "angry", "taste". Where does THAT come from?
My point being that we were talking about the OP, not compo rules.
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"Nobody" was really doing stock A1200 releases until now... And if we're talking "stock", lets talk stock-stock. (Also, what 4gentE said about One Filer entries.)
A whole bunch were made in 1993-1994 before people generally moved on to accelerated Amigas, but indeed most of these were either trackmos or single-file demos that fit on a floppy. Psychedelic is a notable exception, but even though it does run on stock, it primarily targets fastmem and runs pretty badly without.
I do think there was a short period around that time where a HD was a much more common expansion that fastmem. Certainly if I had not been able to afford both a HD and fastmem when I bought my first A1200, I would have gone with the HD first.
Even then, there's definitely some sense to the "stock-stock" argument, and I'll buy that if I have to. :)
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I do think there was a short period around that time where a HD was a much more common expansion that fastmem.
I lack precise historical knowledge but I especially remember the A1200 "magic pack" which came with HD and quite some of my friends had exactly that.
I do know that pack came rather later in the short life of the A1200 but that's what made me somehow assume "hard drive" at first.
Basically everybody I knew with an A1200 back then put in a 3.5" HD, which was much cheaper than the 2.5" form factor the machine was designed for. It made the case gape a little, but we didn't much care. :)
Did those 3.5" drives crash more often than the 2.5" ones? I seem to remember only buying a single 2.5" in my entire life and it is still in my A1200. My fellow groupmates had their 3.5" drives with wires hanging out of the case crashing all over the place.
Although much later (very end of the '90s), but this is what I also did to my first Amiga 1200 (3,5" HDD). And then maybe like 3 months later, I already had a '030 card for it, with Fast RAM. Turns out, it is a slippery slope indeed.
BTW, regarding the Magic Pack - it specifically had an A1200HD version. So see what I wrote before. :)
BTW, regarding the Magic Pack - it specifically had an A1200HD version. So see what I wrote before. :)
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Did those 3.5" drives crash more often than the 2.5" ones?
I suspect the 2.5" ones handled trips to parties better, since they were made for laptops and mobility. The 3.5" drives in my PC didn't appreciate that at least.
