On the AI benchmarking
category: residue [glöplog]
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pushing your AI propaganda to literally every AI thread?
The propaganda is some people's "narrative" over here to dismiss my arguments, which are really much more nuanced than "please submit single prompt vibe coded entries". I'm just one of the few who is not fanatically against it. But feel free to read whatever you want to it.
Tom is a WHAITE KNAIGHT! eye rolling he calls it.
Maali: ridiculing a person, not his argument, is very efficient narrative strategy. You know it best.
so is repeating the same "arguments" ad nauseam. that's not ridiculing a person, but a whole community ;)
Even if premise is true, your "logic" does not compute for me, sorry.
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I'm just one of the few who is not fanatically against it. But feel free to read whatever you want to it.
Ok, let's read into it and take a real life example. I've spent 40+ years listening to music. I love music, it's my lifeline. During these years I've slowly started to understand music theory. By my own hands and ears manually taught myself chords, notes and melody. Laboriously taught myself how to use trackers and how to work with those limitations. Going further been liberated musically with the dawn of DAW's. Produced songs for demos and solo works in the demoscene. Having accomplished victories and failures.
During all these years I've also manually learned how to play percussive instruments, guitars, and entry level piano. Having to struggle with the limited dexterity of my fingers, and with limited financials since instruments are expensive and I was not born into a good income life.
Now, you can read into my personal endeavors for artistry, and there are countless millions more. I've never had to rely on my artistry for income, but there are a lot who do. I don't see this tech compensating anyone in any way.
Since you continue to be vocal about this, I'm also asking you three questions, and I expect an answer to each one. Just because on how you present yourself and your agenda.
1. What is your message to me as a person and an artist?
2. How am I to respond when someone like yourself just wipes my years of painstaking but rewarding work in the mud with this new tech?
3. How on earth you even have the decency to think that an actual human artist would ever subscribe to your point of view on the use of these copyright infringement generators?
T-101: I am replying out of kindness, because I really do not have to clarify shit.
That's exactly what I am saying about narrative some people try to make about me.
I am a musician too (on amatuer level). I was attending music school. I am fluent in music notation and western music theory. I play various instruments. I do enjoy making music from scratch: coming up with chord progressions, melodies, song structure. My personal style is different from the demoscenic, but I do have particular love for electronic music, especially one that involves analog modular synthesizers.
At the same time, I was experimenting with AI for generating music, which you can hear in Suboceanic Reimagined. Those are close to original tunes I composed all by myself in original intro - I even wrote my own synth and music tracker for it. The AI model "reimagined" my pieces and produced it based on millions of tropes learned from other songs (scraped from everywhere, possibly violating copyrights, yes).
So why would I do it? First of all, because I can. It's not against the law (so far). It's a grey-zone at best. I do know a bit about AI, so I know those models, even if they are fed with illegal material, they essentially learn the universal tropes/formulas, don't just blindly plagiarise, but I don't support illegal scraping.
Second of all, it was super tempting to see what will come out of it, since there is a good time and place (now) to do it. If anything to simply ask questions - how people perceive it, why they are really opposing it, does it have a future, what can be improved moving forward.The experiment turned out even more interesting that I anticipated. I didn't get all the answers and I'm still contemplating what it all means. And that's what the conceptual art is for!
About the message: it's really up to you what you think about it. I'm not sure how exactly did you arrive on the conclusion it wipes "your years of work" in the mud? I have used AI to reimagined my personal work after all. Do you feel threatened by my experiment somehow? Maybe it's worth to unpack, why exactly do you feel upset. And are you upset about me or other things unrelated to me? For example, I also don't know what to think about the fact, almost anyone can do passable artwork nowadays with almost zero effort. This is the reality we have to face. I didn't create this reality. I don't particularly support all the aspects of it - especially illegal scraping practices. I only try to explore it further to understand it better as an amateur artist.
That's exactly what I am saying about narrative some people try to make about me.
I am a musician too (on amatuer level). I was attending music school. I am fluent in music notation and western music theory. I play various instruments. I do enjoy making music from scratch: coming up with chord progressions, melodies, song structure. My personal style is different from the demoscenic, but I do have particular love for electronic music, especially one that involves analog modular synthesizers.
At the same time, I was experimenting with AI for generating music, which you can hear in Suboceanic Reimagined. Those are close to original tunes I composed all by myself in original intro - I even wrote my own synth and music tracker for it. The AI model "reimagined" my pieces and produced it based on millions of tropes learned from other songs (scraped from everywhere, possibly violating copyrights, yes).
So why would I do it? First of all, because I can. It's not against the law (so far). It's a grey-zone at best. I do know a bit about AI, so I know those models, even if they are fed with illegal material, they essentially learn the universal tropes/formulas, don't just blindly plagiarise, but I don't support illegal scraping.
Second of all, it was super tempting to see what will come out of it, since there is a good time and place (now) to do it. If anything to simply ask questions - how people perceive it, why they are really opposing it, does it have a future, what can be improved moving forward.The experiment turned out even more interesting that I anticipated. I didn't get all the answers and I'm still contemplating what it all means. And that's what the conceptual art is for!
About the message: it's really up to you what you think about it. I'm not sure how exactly did you arrive on the conclusion it wipes "your years of work" in the mud? I have used AI to reimagined my personal work after all. Do you feel threatened by my experiment somehow? Maybe it's worth to unpack, why exactly do you feel upset. And are you upset about me or other things unrelated to me? For example, I also don't know what to think about the fact, almost anyone can do passable artwork nowadays with almost zero effort. This is the reality we have to face. I didn't create this reality. I don't particularly support all the aspects of it - especially illegal scraping practices. I only try to explore it further to understand it better as an amateur artist.