On the AI benchmarking
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none of these "demoscene elites" are stopping you to do what you want... just keep your AI slop away from parties that don't want to show "your" art to their audiences because they respect their audiences more than you do.
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I just want to express myself
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I want honestly to just create content that I myself enjoy
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I just want to express myself with no real bounds of what I do.
okay great, more power to you!
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I felt if they didn't like them, there is absolutely zero point to doing any form of content, since it has to measure up to their standards
oh, ehmm, that doesn't quite match with the previous three statements, now does it
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Quote:I want honestly to just create content that I myself enjoy
Quote:I just want to express myself with no real bounds of what I do.
okay great, more power to you!
Quote:I felt if they didn't like them, there is absolutely zero point to doing any form of content, since it has to measure up to their standards
oh, ehmm, that doesn't quite match with the previous three statements, now does it
Maybe because in the past I applied that weird logic of my shit (even without using AI), in that none of my stuff ever mattered, and now only recently I stopped caring about what people think of my shit. Hence why I entered a physical artwork I did into Assembly.
Nowadays I don't give a fuck about what people think of my stuff going forward.
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none of these "demoscene elites" are stopping you to do what you want... just keep your AI slop away from parties that don't want to show "your" art to their audiences because they respect their audiences more than you do.
And even if you don't partake in any AI slop like I do?
Doesn't work that way. You know better than I do the scene likes to play favourites. In that if you follow certain tropes and do what the crowd wants, you "score" well in compos. Do something unique or something thats not so orthodox, it gets ignored, and even more so if not released at parties. Then it might not get any views at all.
Why not just fuck scores, fuck competing, fuck views, and just enter/do prods for the sake of doing something?. Thats what I am doing from now on, and thats what I meant by my post. I didn't mean anything to do with AI. I meant something fundamental to the scene, in that each person has their own reasons for why they make prods to begin with.
I realized I can never compete, so why not just do stuff for fun, even if it gets zero views? To me doing what I like is art. Art is in the eye of the beholder, anyway, and everyone has their own opinion. I figured, if I can please myself only, thats good enough I suppose. And if some rando just likes that, even 1 person, then thats enough.
ML!: totally on your side. As you can see pouet is full of parrots just blindly following few "elite" demosceners. And if you have slightly different opinion, they will throw you to the wrath of full-time "jokers" just waiting to ridicule you (we all know who).
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ML!: totally on your side. As you can see pouet is full of parrots just blindly following few "elite" demosceners. And if you have slightly different opinion, they will throw you to the wrath of full-time "jokers" just waiting to ridicule you (we all know who).
I could go on about how thats pretty much for 5+ years I stopped coding.
* "Should be done on Amiga"
* "Why are you using API version X instead of Y FOR THIS?"
* "4k is the new 64kb"
* "X style is so year Y"
....And so on and so forth. What happened to people creatively doing what they want? Why the gatekeeping? Sometimes demos don't need to push the boat out or push things forward. Sometimes things can be made because the person making it wants to, nothing else.
To me personally, art is about expressing yourself. No matter the means. As I said I couldn't care less if people use AI or not even tho I don't or won't use it - its their choice, and its not my place to judge people. I guess even saying that means somehow endorsing its use...:/...but 2026 I suppose. Even ambivalence or a non-decision in anything means a binary choice anyway these days it seems.
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To me personally, art is about expressing yourself. No matter the means.
Ironically, a demo created by one person with 10% AI assistance to share an individual experience can feel more human than 100% pure demo from an elite demogroup desperate to win with flashy effects and "important" social commentary.
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Quote:To me personally, art is about expressing yourself. No matter the means.
Ironically, a demo created by one person with 10% AI assistance to share an individual experience can feel more human than 100% pure demo from an elite demogroup desperate to win with flashy effects and "important" social commentary.
And if you don't use AI, there is still certain tropes, rules on how to make the prod and common things to follow. Otherwise your prod will be downvoted or never looked at all by anyone.
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(...) there is still certain tropes, rules on how to make the prod and common things to follow.
I think it's easy to explain. A handful of big demogroups have become the de facto scene. Since they organize the parties and stay the most active, they naturally dictate the aesthetics and the tropes everyone else should follow. If you don't, you're basically just the audience they're ironically, so desperately looking for.
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Quote:(...) there is still certain tropes, rules on how to make the prod and common things to follow.
I think it's easy to explain. A handful of big demogroups have become the de facto scene. Since they organize the parties and stay the most active, they naturally dictate the aesthetics and the tropes everyone else should follow. If you don't, you're basically just the audience they're ironically, so desperately looking for.
I saw that happen with the 64kb scene. It now turned into the 8kb and 4kb scenes. There was a stage when every single demo was particle based, etc. Nowadays for old-midschool stuff there is the fantasy consoles etc, instead of PC.
I realised back in the day I never could compete with the big groups which were established, so I just....stopped making anything because to me I thought I could never make anything that actually mattered at all, in the eyes of the scene. Nowadays I want to make things, but just on my own terms, not caring about any semblance of votes up/down, metrics, etc. Not using AI of course, but how I want to make things the way I do, with my choice of API/compiler/tools/platform, etc. I don't care anymore what people think, as long as I can create stuff I like.
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just on my own terms, not caring about any semblance of votes up/down, metrics, etc.
IMHO this is a healthy way. You do it in your spare time for fun after-all. So wtf.
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ML!: totally on your side. As you can see pouet is full of parrots just blindly following few "elite" demosceners. And if you have slightly different opinion, they will throw you to the wrath of full-time "jokers" just waiting to ridicule you (we all know who).
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Quote:(...) there is still certain tropes, rules on how to make the prod and common things to follow.
I think it's easy to explain. A handful of big demogroups have become the de facto scene.
Why? Why do they get to define what the Scene is, and what styles of prods, trends, etc should exist?
Why follow their trends? Release what you want, fuck what the powers that be think. Sure it might be downvoted to oblivion or not seen by absolutely anyone but why not? If you at least attempt something in quality you feel you tried hard enough, that should be enough. Should it? Why should others tell you how to do what you find fun?
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Why? Why do they get to define what the Scene is, and what styles of prods, trends, etc should exist?
You should know why. The scene was initially shaped by 90s aesthetic, when the majority of demosceners were growing up. This is the age when you develop so called "taste". In radio, all you could hear was euro-dance, grunge and sampled techno music (in the best case scenario), accompanied by flashy, colorful and over the top visuals. Whoever got popular back then, still tries to keep his "legendary" status and teach those kids "the way". Some may even fall for it, but as we can see from numbers, not so many. But there you have it, it's mostly the same people, just older, not rebelious anymore, but now they have a "mission" - hence all the bullshit and condescension.
As a result, the scene is quite small and hermetic. And if you are not pandering to this small crowd, you won't get much "likes" so to say. It's very simple. Tbh I'm not frustrated by this at all. Don't take anything that happens here personally, and you will be fine. The "problem" may not be on your side.
Again, sounds like "do things how things are already done" or GTFO.
no it's just "do things" but i can see how you have a problem with that
And by "doing things", do you mean knitting, oil painting, wood working and such...or rather using "the calculator" to partially do things for you? ;)
Funny you should mention knitting, painting and wood working, since all those require learning skills and acquiring materials over time, good hand/eye coordination and applying personal flavor of artistry. None of which are true when typing prompts to a model you haven't teached.
Why does Claude partially working C compiler in their promo still produced Doom at low resolution and single digits on modern PC, that even if I compiled -O0 Doom on 386sx on such low resolution I would still be faster than this? What kind of binary code did it produce?
T-101: you won't get far with just typing prompts, but it's also beside the point. The point is freedom of expression and freedom of choosing your own way of quote on quote doing things and nobody should tell you how and why. Unless you enjoy restrictions - then sure, but just please don't enforce them on others.
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Unless you enjoy restrictions - then sure, but just please don't enforce them on others.
Sure. When will you stop acting like a drug dealer and pushing your AI propaganda to literally every AI thread?