You can come here to seethe and cope
category: residue [glöplog]
Leave the Revision thread and come here if you really think insulting me is the best thing you can do for the scene.
Serious attempts at dialog and fact-finding will be answered. FYI, I am here for that.
Serious attempts at dialog and fact-finding will be answered. FYI, I am here for that.
i see what you did there, if no one answers everyone is a coward, if people answer they are all out to get you and you get your soundbite for the next court injunction trial.
fine, i'll bite: dear judge reading this case: no one wants to be dealing with tomcat and his nonsense rhetoric anymore, we have been dealing with it for decades and would very much love to get rid of it for good. we are organizing and attending a digital art event. tomcat has decades old reports of disturbing them, causing issues for the organization team and making other visitors uncomfortable. we don't want to waste our time discussing endlessly why women should actually have the same opportunities as men or why emigrants are not coming to rape and steal jobs or why trans people have the right to exist and access to a toilet or his toxic thoughts on why the current scene generation proves the scene is dead or why he is a victim of the world and everyone is out to get him. we are trying to organize an event for people to feel safe, tomcat does not make people feel safe, he makes people uncomfortable by his presence with his recurring bad behaviour refusing to follow party rules and constantly looking for loopholes to keep being a nuisance to the organizers and discuss his ideology with visitors who tell him they don't want to hear it.
tomcat: most events you attended i have witnessed or heard stories of you starting trouble for either the organizers or other participants, you always proactively get yourself doing shit or inject yourself into conversations to push your ideological agenda, i've seen you do this in person since i first met you at antiq 1999 and still witness it in 2025. and while it was weird and funny at start, teenagers doing stupid shit was somehow acceptable and all that. now grown men stiring up trouble and pushing ideological agendas is no longer funny for anyone but you. in fact it's easy to look back now and realize it highly contributed to make past events less welcoming for visitors.
any talk with you ends up on one of these topics and how you are a rockstar for standing up to it all. it's not interesting anymore, just annoying to deal with.
as visitors we don't want it. we want to focus on doing our art and having fun with friends, not listen to you rant your victim piece.
as party orgas we definitely don't want it. we want to focus on running a smooth event not keeping an eye on you and dealing with reports of other visitors annoyed by your provocative talks.
you write a lot online about how you would like people to remain civil with you in conversations but in person you always end up being the one starting shit with the organizers and other visitors and baiting people into political discussions to spew your rhetoric. no one wants this in the demoscene, this has to stop. but when organizers warn you of this instead of apologizing and promising to behave with the rules you start with your persecution complex, intimidation tactics and lawsuit threats.
so pretty please with sugar on top: get with the fucking program, if you want to be welcomed in the community stop being an ass to people, stop pushing your agendas every chance you get and playing the victim when people tell you to fuck off with that nonsense.
knowing you for 26 years i assume you will not do so and keep being "the rebel" that you consider yourself to be, so i for one would very much not have to see or deal with you ever again.
furthermore: until you effectively show signs of not coming to events just to stir shit up and push your political agendas you will remain banned from Inércia as long as i am involved in the organization team, we are running it as a private event and reserve access only to visitors who actively comply with our house event rules, including not threaten to sue us when we ask them if they are willing to behave.
in fact i challenge you to get a petition to see how many demosceners would say then would be happy to attend a demoparty you are planning to come and meetup with you and compare it to how many signatures we get for people who would much rather you did not attend so they would feel safe at the event.
this might all be fun and games to you, reliving the nostalgia of your punk scene years or whatever, but some of us are actually trying to get new people into the scene and create welcoming spaces to see them thrive and be creative and you are not. not only are you not, you are actively hindering it. so yeah, fuck off with that shit.
fine, i'll bite: dear judge reading this case: no one wants to be dealing with tomcat and his nonsense rhetoric anymore, we have been dealing with it for decades and would very much love to get rid of it for good. we are organizing and attending a digital art event. tomcat has decades old reports of disturbing them, causing issues for the organization team and making other visitors uncomfortable. we don't want to waste our time discussing endlessly why women should actually have the same opportunities as men or why emigrants are not coming to rape and steal jobs or why trans people have the right to exist and access to a toilet or his toxic thoughts on why the current scene generation proves the scene is dead or why he is a victim of the world and everyone is out to get him. we are trying to organize an event for people to feel safe, tomcat does not make people feel safe, he makes people uncomfortable by his presence with his recurring bad behaviour refusing to follow party rules and constantly looking for loopholes to keep being a nuisance to the organizers and discuss his ideology with visitors who tell him they don't want to hear it.
tomcat: most events you attended i have witnessed or heard stories of you starting trouble for either the organizers or other participants, you always proactively get yourself doing shit or inject yourself into conversations to push your ideological agenda, i've seen you do this in person since i first met you at antiq 1999 and still witness it in 2025. and while it was weird and funny at start, teenagers doing stupid shit was somehow acceptable and all that. now grown men stiring up trouble and pushing ideological agendas is no longer funny for anyone but you. in fact it's easy to look back now and realize it highly contributed to make past events less welcoming for visitors.
any talk with you ends up on one of these topics and how you are a rockstar for standing up to it all. it's not interesting anymore, just annoying to deal with.
as visitors we don't want it. we want to focus on doing our art and having fun with friends, not listen to you rant your victim piece.
as party orgas we definitely don't want it. we want to focus on running a smooth event not keeping an eye on you and dealing with reports of other visitors annoyed by your provocative talks.
you write a lot online about how you would like people to remain civil with you in conversations but in person you always end up being the one starting shit with the organizers and other visitors and baiting people into political discussions to spew your rhetoric. no one wants this in the demoscene, this has to stop. but when organizers warn you of this instead of apologizing and promising to behave with the rules you start with your persecution complex, intimidation tactics and lawsuit threats.
so pretty please with sugar on top: get with the fucking program, if you want to be welcomed in the community stop being an ass to people, stop pushing your agendas every chance you get and playing the victim when people tell you to fuck off with that nonsense.
knowing you for 26 years i assume you will not do so and keep being "the rebel" that you consider yourself to be, so i for one would very much not have to see or deal with you ever again.
furthermore: until you effectively show signs of not coming to events just to stir shit up and push your political agendas you will remain banned from Inércia as long as i am involved in the organization team, we are running it as a private event and reserve access only to visitors who actively comply with our house event rules, including not threaten to sue us when we ask them if they are willing to behave.
in fact i challenge you to get a petition to see how many demosceners would say then would be happy to attend a demoparty you are planning to come and meetup with you and compare it to how many signatures we get for people who would much rather you did not attend so they would feel safe at the event.
this might all be fun and games to you, reliving the nostalgia of your punk scene years or whatever, but some of us are actually trying to get new people into the scene and create welcoming spaces to see them thrive and be creative and you are not. not only are you not, you are actively hindering it. so yeah, fuck off with that shit.
When I first saw your comment, I was contemplating asking the discord if this guy is trolling, I think this might be worse than trolling. :(
I'll bite too.
It's interesting how you blame others for playing the victim, and not fact checking, and then end up doing the same yourself. In answering this, I'll assume you're referring to the times we met at the party place. Those interactions only involved you and me and are probably not of any interest to anyone, but whatever..
When I first saw you at Revision, it was late at night on Friday and I had a friend waiting for me by the infodesk. You might remember I gave you a hug. Because you're right. I've known you for quite a long time and that's what I do when I meet people I've known for quite a long time whom I haven't seen for a while. At that point, you told me about what happened before the party, and I told you I knew. Then I excused myself because I had a friend waiting at the infodesk and rushed off. You can think what you want about me having to rush off, but I don't hug people I "hate". I guess you forgot since it didn't fit your herd mentality image?
At that point, I actually gave you the benefit of the doubt and, naive as I am, thought you might behave at the party. Turns out I was wrong. I got told, by a second hand account, of you having hung up a specific cartoon in the outdoor area. So I went outside, and I looked at the lamp post. I didn't see you, but I asked several different eyewitnesses about it. Their stories confirmed what I could see with my own eyes.
So yes, I believed them, as they had also been present. At that point my respect fell quite a bit. But sure, I can ask you as well. Did you, or did you not put that up?
Still, after that I didn't see you again until after the PC demo compo. I was once again in a hurry, trying to find specific people before they exited the hall. We crossed paths in the isle three times with me running around like a headless chicken. The first time you said bye, and I replied bye. The second time you said bye again, and I said bye again. The third time I felt this was becoming silly so I said nothing. You can blame social awkwardness for that one. Still not "hate".
Finally, yesterdays thread. I don't need to "fact check" anything there. Unless someone hacked your account I assume you will own up to the abortion comment? That comment was way over the line. At that point I did get pissed off, but then I recognized that was probably what you wanted. So I commented something more general, and got set upon instantly.
It's funny how the world changes. The Demoscene has always taken in misfits and outcasts and let them find a home (I mean this in a positive way, I'm one of those outcasts). For that reason it has also taken in a few shitheads over the years and this site has had it's share of verbal fights. But hey, most of those shitheads grew up, some of them have even surprised us positively lately. Do we really need to continue like we're still teenagers?
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please, I did piss you off with my mere presence, it seemed. Did you know that the world may be different from how you imagine it? Did you try fact checking?
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I mean, what went down in your head when you looked at me and thought "here is this guy whom I've known for fuck knows how long, and now I heard some crazy thing about him, should I ask if it's true or just start to hate him?" And then, your herd instinct prevailed. Well, good for you - don't bother to ask. It's easier on the brain cells.
It's interesting how you blame others for playing the victim, and not fact checking, and then end up doing the same yourself. In answering this, I'll assume you're referring to the times we met at the party place. Those interactions only involved you and me and are probably not of any interest to anyone, but whatever..
When I first saw you at Revision, it was late at night on Friday and I had a friend waiting for me by the infodesk. You might remember I gave you a hug. Because you're right. I've known you for quite a long time and that's what I do when I meet people I've known for quite a long time whom I haven't seen for a while. At that point, you told me about what happened before the party, and I told you I knew. Then I excused myself because I had a friend waiting at the infodesk and rushed off. You can think what you want about me having to rush off, but I don't hug people I "hate". I guess you forgot since it didn't fit your herd mentality image?
At that point, I actually gave you the benefit of the doubt and, naive as I am, thought you might behave at the party. Turns out I was wrong. I got told, by a second hand account, of you having hung up a specific cartoon in the outdoor area. So I went outside, and I looked at the lamp post. I didn't see you, but I asked several different eyewitnesses about it. Their stories confirmed what I could see with my own eyes.
So yes, I believed them, as they had also been present. At that point my respect fell quite a bit. But sure, I can ask you as well. Did you, or did you not put that up?
Still, after that I didn't see you again until after the PC demo compo. I was once again in a hurry, trying to find specific people before they exited the hall. We crossed paths in the isle three times with me running around like a headless chicken. The first time you said bye, and I replied bye. The second time you said bye again, and I said bye again. The third time I felt this was becoming silly so I said nothing. You can blame social awkwardness for that one. Still not "hate".
Finally, yesterdays thread. I don't need to "fact check" anything there. Unless someone hacked your account I assume you will own up to the abortion comment? That comment was way over the line. At that point I did get pissed off, but then I recognized that was probably what you wanted. So I commented something more general, and got set upon instantly.
It's funny how the world changes. The Demoscene has always taken in misfits and outcasts and let them find a home (I mean this in a positive way, I'm one of those outcasts). For that reason it has also taken in a few shitheads over the years and this site has had it's share of verbal fights. But hey, most of those shitheads grew up, some of them have even surprised us positively lately. Do we really need to continue like we're still teenagers?
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When I first saw your comment, I was contemplating asking the discord if this guy is trolling, I think this might be worse than trolling. :(
Little do they know, there *is* free speech, but no freedom of consequences. You are free to be a absolute fucking dick and no one can really tell you not to, but don't ever expect people to let it slide in the name of "freedom". As said, you are free to be an absolute arsehole, but people might not tolerate you being one.
After reading the absolute derailment of the thread, I can't resist throwing gasoline onto this dumpster fire.
> GenX created the demoscene to begin with, along with pretty much the entire internet and gamer culture.
The first part of this statement might be correct, but the rest is simply wrong, I will give my inputs and opinions on both separately.
> GenX created ... the entire internet ... culture
No you did not. Old dial up BBS'es have little in common with todays internet, nor do places like usenet really. The internet as a cultural place really only started being a thing in the very late nighties and thrived in the early 2000's when the oldest GenZ beings were just old enough to have unmonitored internet access, just look at the silliness of early memes.
Nowadays GenZ are extremely nostalgic for the early web and whole y2k years, for this exact reason.
> GenX created ... the entire ... gamer culture
Most of modern gamer culture came from xbox live, which was at the time full of 14 year olds calling each other slurs, what a great culture. Sure some probably comes from lan-parties and so on, but whose were so regional that it was hardly a global "gamer culture", you needed to be able to call someone on the other end of the globe names after you just fraged them :3
Sure you boomers planted some seeds, but we then cared for the plants.
I hope you felt offended by our prod in your oldskool compo x3
> GenX created the demoscene to begin with, along with pretty much the entire internet and gamer culture.
The first part of this statement might be correct, but the rest is simply wrong, I will give my inputs and opinions on both separately.
> GenX created ... the entire internet ... culture
No you did not. Old dial up BBS'es have little in common with todays internet, nor do places like usenet really. The internet as a cultural place really only started being a thing in the very late nighties and thrived in the early 2000's when the oldest GenZ beings were just old enough to have unmonitored internet access, just look at the silliness of early memes.
Nowadays GenZ are extremely nostalgic for the early web and whole y2k years, for this exact reason.
> GenX created ... the entire ... gamer culture
Most of modern gamer culture came from xbox live, which was at the time full of 14 year olds calling each other slurs, what a great culture. Sure some probably comes from lan-parties and so on, but whose were so regional that it was hardly a global "gamer culture", you needed to be able to call someone on the other end of the globe names after you just fraged them :3
Sure you boomers planted some seeds, but we then cared for the plants.
I hope you felt offended by our prod in your oldskool compo x3
lol, are you seriously arguing about who should be credited for Internet culture?
It doesn't really matter, all that matters is that claiming it's "pretty much entirely created by Genx" is clearly wrong.
Pahahaha
why is this son of a <bleep> not permbanned everywhere?
Sometimes i think our Scene is way too tolerant. Fuckthatshit.
why is this son of a <bleep> not permbanned everywhere?
Sometimes i think our Scene is way too tolerant. Fuckthatshit.
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why is this son of a <bleep> not permbanned everywhere?
Sometimes i think our Scene is way too tolerant. Fuckthatshit.
Well if I understand it correctly, it's only pouet rn and that's only a matter of time.
