Revision 2025 - Grow Beyond - April 18th to 21st 2025
category: parties [glöplog]
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Oxb:
if you would have been at revision in person, you would not be worried.
Scene is far away from being dead..
Guys, I didn’t mean to sound like a grumpy old man—quite the opposite.
It’s just that I’d be really sad to see this movement fade away or lose that core “1337ism” that’s so deeply rooted in its DNA.
And from what I saw on the stream, it’s often truly inspiring.
If I focus a bit more on the PC compo, it’s because it’s always been the flagship discipline.
But I get the sense that only a handful of key groups are still holding the fort—mostly the same ones from 15+ years ago (MFX, ASD, CNCD, Fairlight, ...), and the “new” high-performing groups are often made up of veteran sceners (with all due respect).
Even if it’s not quite my world anymore, I still love running demos on my PC—or on my C64 or Amiga (well, on my RPi 400 now : ... I got tired of fixing the real thing).
I actually thought about participating this year, just for the fun of it, for the atmosphere—really.
Maybe next year.
Either way, this all needs to be kept alive—what a vibe! :)
Big thanks to all the organisers who made this happen! What you do is truly appreciated - you are a cornerstone in the demoscene.
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Additional idea: game compo videos should be no longer than 2 minutes, and maybe have that on saturday?
or just have them released on friday when the party starts, maybe short presentations on saturday
@SubV242: Might be time for you to learn coding and deliver the newest blockbuster at Revision 2026.
@oxb
The demoscene is (was) a product of an era. Not just in a technical sense, but in a social sense as well. It could only be born and thrive in the European culture of the 1980s and 1990s, or in other world, the pre-9/11 times. It required just the right mix of mindset and technology. It carries the heritage of so many things, from hacker culture through punk traditions and ideas of civil democracy, even Christianity. Take away or change any of these, or add a new social-economical factor, and the demoscene either disappears or warps beyond recognition. Time did exactly that.
What you are missing is something that became "outdated" in the 2000s, 2010s. By now, the social landscape is so vastly different that the scene, as we used to know it, cannot exist. Today's young generation is generally scared of individualism, rebellion and rock and roll. They prefer being led, sheltered, and stay strictly within their bubbles. When they communicate, they do it along strictly defined boundaries. Even when they do something seemingly scene-ish, it might be remarkable from a technological viewpoint, but stays within those boundaries.
Rock and roll isn't in the blood of Gen Z, but it's their kryptonite. Those who aren't like this are becoming rather irritated and angry, instead of creative. They look at inspiration for internet influencers, and not us.
The demoscene is (was) a product of an era. Not just in a technical sense, but in a social sense as well. It could only be born and thrive in the European culture of the 1980s and 1990s, or in other world, the pre-9/11 times. It required just the right mix of mindset and technology. It carries the heritage of so many things, from hacker culture through punk traditions and ideas of civil democracy, even Christianity. Take away or change any of these, or add a new social-economical factor, and the demoscene either disappears or warps beyond recognition. Time did exactly that.
What you are missing is something that became "outdated" in the 2000s, 2010s. By now, the social landscape is so vastly different that the scene, as we used to know it, cannot exist. Today's young generation is generally scared of individualism, rebellion and rock and roll. They prefer being led, sheltered, and stay strictly within their bubbles. When they communicate, they do it along strictly defined boundaries. Even when they do something seemingly scene-ish, it might be remarkable from a technological viewpoint, but stays within those boundaries.
Rock and roll isn't in the blood of Gen Z, but it's their kryptonite. Those who aren't like this are becoming rather irritated and angry, instead of creative. They look at inspiration for internet influencers, and not us.
the fuck is this old man yapping about
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the fuck is this old man yapping about
No idea, I loved the MBR concert, and I'm Gen Z!
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Today's young generation is generally scared of individualism, rebellion and rock and roll. They prefer being led, sheltered, and stay strictly within their bubbles. When they communicate, they do it along strictly defined boundaries. Even when they do something seemingly scene-ish, it might be remarkable from a technological viewpoint, but stays within those boundaries.
What you're describing sounds more like a nostalgic projection than an accurate observation. Every generation finds its own way to rebel, challenge norms, and express itself—just because it doesn't mirror the aesthetics or methods of previous decades doesn't mean it's any less valid or powerful. Dismissing it as fear or conformity feels reductive.
I had an awesome time last weekend, the party was great in almost every aspect. There's only one thing I didn't appreciate: the (once again) super late compos. Yeah yeah I know there are excuses for it, all fine and dandy and probably true from the perspective of whoever makes the excuse. But fact remains that half of the hall emptying out before the most prestigious compo starts is a bloody shame. Please do something about it.
Had a lot of fun as every year, but have to agree with the super late compo-problem (left to get some sleep before that block started myself). We discussed on our way back what could be handled different, there just is no solution that pleases everyone, just compromises:
- have some compos on Friday (for things that will most likely not be party-productions like "Game" or "Animation/Video"): people arriving later or on Saturday would miss out
- more preselection: may scare off newcomers, lead to discussion why this and not that
- no Remote Entries (like before COVID): would mean some great productions would not show (like this years crowd favourite "Primer"), but might entice more people to actually come. Maybe allow Remote only for Satellites?
- tighter time-limits for demos: As always some things stayed on screen longer than necessary, of some you could not get enough. And some demos need more time for full effect/storytelling.
In my opinion a Friday-compo block would be the least intrusive option, this may cut into Meteorisk-time, maybe that could be tightened a bit.
- have some compos on Friday (for things that will most likely not be party-productions like "Game" or "Animation/Video"): people arriving later or on Saturday would miss out
- more preselection: may scare off newcomers, lead to discussion why this and not that
- no Remote Entries (like before COVID): would mean some great productions would not show (like this years crowd favourite "Primer"), but might entice more people to actually come. Maybe allow Remote only for Satellites?
- tighter time-limits for demos: As always some things stayed on screen longer than necessary, of some you could not get enough. And some demos need more time for full effect/storytelling.
In my opinion a Friday-compo block would be the least intrusive option, this may cut into Meteorisk-time, maybe that could be tightened a bit.
Very big THANK YOU to all orgas and participants from a sofascener.
Really great high-quality video recordings already available at: https://www.youtube.com/@revisionparty/videos
Let's, maybe, put in some likes and comments there to spread the love of demoscene there :-)
Really great high-quality video recordings already available at: https://www.youtube.com/@revisionparty/videos
Let's, maybe, put in some likes and comments there to spread the love of demoscene there :-)
Meteoriks awards could be dropped and compo instead, shorten down game compo.. And demo compos a few hours earlier, old people get tired :)
Amazing party by amazing people. Wish I was able to contribute more, but luckily this year the sheer amount of entries was amazing.
<3 docd
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What you're describing sounds more like a nostalgic projection than an accurate observation. Every generation finds its own way to rebel, challenge norms, and express itself—just because it doesn't mirror the aesthetics or methods of previous decades doesn't mean it's any less valid or powerful. Dismissing it as fear or conformity feels reductive.
<3 docd
oh .. and thanks to Oni and Truck for announcing TRSAC 2025, I will not confirm it though, but we are working on it, especially because of the least 30 people asking me about it <3
- Move all intros to Saturday
- Start the main compo block on Sunday at max 20.00 ending ~22.30, then have concert AFTER it finishes. For both benefit of audience and talents performing.
- Friday compo block till the dawn - animations / fantasy computers / wild / younameit not platform specific. Then rerun on Sunday morning for late arrivals. There's always plenty of time to kill on screen instead of slideshow.
- 4:30 mins per production - enough with endless scrollers and slideshows. Do it Oscar-style - rapid fade to black and next please.
- If nothing above works - shorten the Sunday performances - max 60 mins and on we go with compo blocks.
- Start the main compo block on Sunday at max 20.00 ending ~22.30, then have concert AFTER it finishes. For both benefit of audience and talents performing.
- Friday compo block till the dawn - animations / fantasy computers / wild / younameit not platform specific. Then rerun on Sunday morning for late arrivals. There's always plenty of time to kill on screen instead of slideshow.
- 4:30 mins per production - enough with endless scrollers and slideshows. Do it Oscar-style - rapid fade to black and next please.
- If nothing above works - shorten the Sunday performances - max 60 mins and on we go with compo blocks.
@Grongy @minebrandon
Of course, I did not expect you to understand anything I'm glad you enjoyed MBR - they truly rock. But that's not what I'm talking about.
Your generation is living in a very different world, and has a very different perspective on virtually everything. As a result, while you can still enjoy MBR, you would never be able to create a band quite like MBR. Why is that? For the same reason GenX couldn't reproduce 1940s big band jazz. It's just not us. We could do something similar, but not the same. Similarly, GenZ can do their GenZ things - but not GenX things.
Actually, if you look at it with an objective eye, GenZ, and even millennials, never even came close to the creative output of GenX. GenZ still has time though. Millennials, not so much.
Of course, I did not expect you to understand anything I'm glad you enjoyed MBR - they truly rock. But that's not what I'm talking about.
Your generation is living in a very different world, and has a very different perspective on virtually everything. As a result, while you can still enjoy MBR, you would never be able to create a band quite like MBR. Why is that? For the same reason GenX couldn't reproduce 1940s big band jazz. It's just not us. We could do something similar, but not the same. Similarly, GenZ can do their GenZ things - but not GenX things.
Actually, if you look at it with an objective eye, GenZ, and even millennials, never even came close to the creative output of GenX. GenZ still has time though. Millennials, not so much.
Isn't that because.. GenX haven been around for much longer?
*have
@fizzer not really. GenX created the demoscene to begin with, along with pretty much the entire internet and gamer culture. Quite a few musical genres, from breakbeat to dubstep. These aren't recent things. We were breaking conventions on a daily basis, and rejected conformism. GenZ can't do this on a large scale, due to a very different uprising. Their childhoods were spent in their rooms, playing games in increasingly controlled and sheltered environments, instead of just roaming free, without even a mobile phone. This lead to a far more conformist mindset.
Trying to give party organisers ideas on how to organise their schedule is like trying to suggest "effect ideas" to coders.
** FINAL WOOTAGE at https://npl.de/revision2025/ * CU next YEAR! 🤪 :boingball: :coupdecoeur:
My first Revision in person. It was a blast! See you next year ;)
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Today's young generation is generally scared of individualism, rebellion and rock and roll.
Even if true (which people seem to doubt in this thread), none of those {character traits, music genres} are needed for writing kickass intros.
For that you need drive, a keyboard connected to a PC with a gfx card and a set of eyes and ears. Younger coders should be fine.
@NR4 I disagree. Technical prowess is only one of the things you need, albeit a major one. But you can be the world's best tech-wiz if you don't have a pinch of actual creativity. If what you said was correct, then ChatGPT would make the best intros.
Also, have you noticed how all really good productions are always made by old labels? Groups like TBL, Fairlight, MFX, etc. The youngest who are still on par with them are newcomers of the 2000s, like Conspiracy. I'm not saying there are absolutely no talented GenZ sceners, but they are remarkably scarce.
Also, have you noticed how all really good productions are always made by old labels? Groups like TBL, Fairlight, MFX, etc. The youngest who are still on par with them are newcomers of the 2000s, like Conspiracy. I'm not saying there are absolutely no talented GenZ sceners, but they are remarkably scarce.