AI, other helping tools, and Amiga pixel graphics
category: residue [glöplog]
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uncle-x wrote:
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I was refering to an entry higher up called 'the list'. So for fruitful discussion, I made a link for you. Let me rephrase:
if you imagine that someone enter a gfx-compo, that you vote for, which turns out to be AI - how can that be avoided? And is it covered
in this link?
Here’s a list for you:
1) Fuck techbro AI
2) and fuck everyone using it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyxNgnQ9m30
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Somehow this whole outcry about using AI or not reminds me a lot of how cross assemblers and code libraries were considered lame and the spawn of evil by a bunch of people (some well known even) in the late 80s
(re-)using (boilerplate) code and using a computer different from your target hardware to program on is not even remotely the same as "i told the copyright infringement nexus to do all the work for me".
come to think of it, it's more like a worse version of someone saying "I want to make a demo! I just need all the code, graphics, and music for me! but i have ideas!!!" except now they can type the ideas out, boil away an ocean, and still end up with something less interesting than if they put a little bit of time into it.
If you can't code, draw, or compose, you can learn. All the resources are out there, and plenty of people willing to help if you reach out. It's easier than ever with all the tools available to you, and the possibility to directly talk to people about it.
If you still choose to instead write a prompt and get a computer to do the fun creative parts for you, then you're a lamer and I don't respect you.
You say that now - and of course you are right. However back then the arguments were kinda similar :)
@Optimus: thanks for sharing your thoughts and almost a personal relationship to AI :)
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And this comes with if we are transparent so everyone can judge I think. How do we else know?
I like this part, thats true :)
yes, and some tools are not AI, but make it easier also to create art. For example using a filter so your picture looks like its pixeled. Not AI, but just like AI, maybe a few people go with such things too, or generate AA (anti alising) tool on your objects etc etc. Some people do, and for some this is OK, and for some its not.
by curiosity, whats your point about other tools then, leaving AI, in terms of respect?
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If you still choose to instead write a prompt and get a computer to do the fun creative parts for you, then you're a lamer and I don't respect you.
And this comes with if we are transparent so everyone can judge I think. How do we else know?
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...and plenty of people willing to help if you reach out.
I like this part, thats true :)
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...It's easier than ever with all the tools available to you...
yes, and some tools are not AI, but make it easier also to create art. For example using a filter so your picture looks like its pixeled. Not AI, but just like AI, maybe a few people go with such things too, or generate AA (anti alising) tool on your objects etc etc. Some people do, and for some this is OK, and for some its not.
by curiosity, whats your point about other tools then, leaving AI, in terms of respect?
I added "takes time" and "passion" and "creativity" as elements that may define us who are doing graphics on Amiga.
I added "using AI inspire me" as inspiration source, since I believe some people use the prompt as inspiration. For the rest of us, we can just decide if we like it or not.
I added "using AI inspire me" as inspiration source, since I believe some people use the prompt as inspiration. For the rest of us, we can just decide if we like it or not.
Purpose with this thread was to discuss Amiga graphics related to AI or other tools used in pixel graphic.
You may use 2 minutes of your time and test if you recognize your point of view is to some extent covered here
You may use 2 minutes of your time and test if you recognize your point of view is to some extent covered here
As long as the scene has existed, external resources (hardware/software) have been used. Taste is in the eye of the beholder. It is important to always state what support was used for finalisation. These are my 50 cents.
what the heck? sceners hate this "AI" trend? I thought I was the only one young enough to think that way, why did no one tell me!! But like seriously, why aren't you guys doing more, Demozoo had a big advertisement for LoveByte 2025, and it looked abhorrent, like they skinned a dinosaur from the late Triassic period (I know that they burned some of those to make it!), and that was supposed to be... paper? It makes me sad whenever I look at the top entries at graphics competitions, and they just aren't it, who votes for that absolute garbage slop?! And then, there's those scene advertisements during party twitch streams, and what the heck went wrong with Demoparty.net? It looks so bad, why couldn't they just get an actual living human being to draw it, why do they want their site to look like a scam!?!?
stop smoking those big jims, pls
bro what the fuck are you talking about
I was mainly talking about this (I haven't seen anyone post an image on this thread yet and I'm not going to be the first)
That is a bit awful, but hey, you know what? Maybe the graphics guys were again in hangover and could not be contacted in the 5 minutes this picture had to be made for the page. That of course means the picture sourcing was not done early enough.
Even part of the fonts are cut away because of no margins... (insert your favorite smiley here, or emoji if you are such a person)
Even part of the fonts are cut away because of no margins... (insert your favorite smiley here, or emoji if you are such a person)
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I was mainly talking about this (I haven't seen anyone post an image on this thread yet and I'm not going to be the first)
it would do you so much good to not make broad stroke assumptions based on a single example.
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assumptions based on a single example.
My assumptions are based on some other examples too, but like, the fact I'm getting pushback for reasons outside of "ai is good/inevitable/helpful" is enough to make me concede, or whatever word is appropriate in this context.
(also the changes to the revision rules as I forgot that the party that had a questionable Oldskool graphics compo is the same party that completely revamped it's rules to prevent this thing in the future [IM SORRY!])
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I wonder what the latter rule means for demos with non-purely AI content. =)No AI generated or inspired entries in graphics and music compos. No purely AI content in other compos.
it means someone will do something that will spawn another 20 painfully frustrating threads like this one
There's an option to hide "residue" threads from your feed.
Im compiling a new version of the Flow chart, that Krill initially inspired me to do 'the list'. Next version hopefullly easier to read. Now is the time to send in your input to that one, link if you scroll up up a bit (and if you care of coz :) )