Bulletin.
category: general [glöplog]
Normally, in debates like these i hide in the background, but this
made me change my mind.
Be assured, there is a group of people that regularly visit Pouet and appreciate the effort and work that goes into Pouet, just that these people don't post comments very often, don't flood the BBS and don't visit that many demo parties, they just occassionally make demos.
I know that this group of people exists because i am one of them.
Apparently this group of people has failed to give you and all the other admins supportive feedback when it was needed and for that i am sorry.
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Oh it's simple: At this point I fucking hate you all.
made me change my mind.
Be assured, there is a group of people that regularly visit Pouet and appreciate the effort and work that goes into Pouet, just that these people don't post comments very often, don't flood the BBS and don't visit that many demo parties, they just occassionally make demos.
I know that this group of people exists because i am one of them.
Apparently this group of people has failed to give you and all the other admins supportive feedback when it was needed and for that i am sorry.
elephant in the room, maybe, but easy to solve with some less anal rules regarding delegation
(which is not directly targeted to gargaj, but, pouet has historically been a one-man-show analogue->ps->gargaj->next spinning plates guy which is the ACTUAL problem i'd like to address)
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It's a rather capitalist way of thinking to assume that a job becomes less torturous just because you're throwing money at it - but you do get to wash your hands from the responsibility of the hard parts of community management, so you got that going for you.
I can feel all your resentment. But the fact is: hard work is needed to maintain this place? Then work has to be rewarded and I think that a job is not necessarily a torture. There might be someone (not even a scener) out there that just needs a job and is willing to maintain this place in a less emotionally involved manner. If the thing that you oppose to the "capitalistic view" is a failed "communism" (or "monarchy with a single servant"?) where all the burden is on the shoulder of a burnt-out guy, I go with "capitalism". Or, philantropy? Somebody said "Everyone, according to his capabilities, shall contribute to the common good". Well, I'm no php coder, nor a webmaster, but I don't want this place to close and donations of hard-earned money are the only thing I can do.
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There might be someone (not even a scener) out there that just needs a job
that's not a very good idea.
As I understand it, the job of the Pouet administrator is mainly - content moderation, processing requests for content editing, responding to complaints, deleting spam and inappropriate content. And in general - maintaining public order on the site.
I don't think that Pouet needs daily administration of a Linux server and PHP development, and something that is not related to the demoscene.
And to moderate content, you still need to be initiated into the demoscene.
Money motivates when a person needs it. Our donations can hardly be very significant for a person with a normal income. It would make sense to donate to hosting if there were problems with this. But here, as I understand it, there are no problems.
content moderation --> moderators
processing requests for content editing --> gloperators and moderators
responding to complaints --> emails go to the admin, FMB as you can see is gloperators/moderators
deleting spam --> in the content --> moderators, in the comments and bbs ---> admin
deleting inappropriate content --> moderators
maintaining public order on the site --> mostly admin
about money, do you think gloperators and moderators would enjoy working for free under a paid admin?
processing requests for content editing --> gloperators and moderators
responding to complaints --> emails go to the admin, FMB as you can see is gloperators/moderators
deleting spam --> in the content --> moderators, in the comments and bbs ---> admin
deleting inappropriate content --> moderators
maintaining public order on the site --> mostly admin
about money, do you think gloperators and moderators would enjoy working for free under a paid admin?
(i guess it could be argued that gloperators also do content moderation in some forms)
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in the comments and bbs ---> admin
Why can't this be delegated to moderators?
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about money, do you think gloperators and moderators would enjoy working for free under a paid admin?
I wouldn't care. If the administrator doesn't beat me with a stick (too hard) :)
If adding a release to Pouet cost, for example, 1-2 euros, I wouldn't mind either. It would also filter out a bunch of crap. Alas, this is a utopia, demoscene people will never support something like this :)
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Why can't this be delegated to moderators?
i should have added that oneliner spam is also handled by the admin.
as to why it can't be delegated to moderators, i don't know.
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I wouldn't care. If the administrator doesn't beat me with a stick (too hard) :)
well i would, if i put in similar or more hours i would expect to be paid similarly or more.
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When was the last time you thanked a gloperator?
As a gloperator, I don't expect any kind of thank you for what I do in the background on Pouet.
I keep visiting Pouet daily, almost religiously, adding old prods or Youtube links, fixing screenshots, release dates, missing info and taking care of requests submitted through the change request form. I do it because it's a passion, because I love to see our database improve and see "progress to the youtube singularity: 30.88%" increase every week.
Hopefully, all gloperators do it for the same reason and are not waiting anything in return.
I don't read the oneliner and the BBS anymore because it usually leads to what Gargaj mentioned.
I would really miss Pouet if it were shut down, it would somehow cut my ties with the demoscene since it's basically the only demoscene site I visit nowadays.
