AI crap in compo entries?
category: general [glöplog]
Is it? My general take on this from many sources tells me another story. People don't seem to care if its hand made or not, as long as its a shiny picture of dragons its all cool.
Quote:
Reading all this makes me realise all my effort is spent on the wrong audience.
pah, your are an artist and this AI hallucinated randomness is no match by a long shot.
(that freaky-finger image I posted in the oneliner earlier is based on a photo of Victo Ngai, btw. (also an artist. she works as an illustrator for the New York Times))
Quote:
But why?
You genuinely don’t understand. But you don’t let that sway you. Cool.
Some have it even worse
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39826334
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39826334
@la_mettrie
Inwonder if that post you shared will this sway the accidental evangelists? Slow them down at least? Make them think about it all some more? Or it’s gonna be “but why?” and let’s get on with the program.
Inwonder if that post you shared will this sway the accidental evangelists? Slow them down at least? Make them think about it all some more? Or it’s gonna be “but why?” and let’s get on with the program.
Quote:
Sway? From where to where?You genuinely don’t understand. But you don’t let that sway you.
It seems like we need a few easy boxes to tick yay or nay.
Sway you from wanting to play with your new toy so much that you fail to see that it hurts some of your friends. And then you fail to listen to them. Sway you to think about it again and perhaps conclude; well if this means so much to them, if it insults them so deeply that they wanna quit their lifelong hobby, even tho that I don’t understand, maybe I oughta just ignore that new toy. I don’t know, I suppose that’s what I would do.
Sorry, there are so many false assumptions i dunno even where to start. Pick another scapegoat.
Quote:
I'm somewhat doubting some people's claims that they enjoy doing thing X because of its inherent value in itself, then somehow want to stop doing that same enjoyable thing because of some external thing.
Don’t worry. Just keep “moving fast and breaking stuff”.
Can you even slow-down a bit, 4gentE? :D
lack of compassion and most importantly: *greed* is what made us go wrong in the first place (IMHO) (out of further words for today)
@ham:
You’re right man. Sorry all.
You’re right man. Sorry all.
I personally find it somehow helpful thought in this context that many experts seem to think that the Artificial General Intelligence may potentially appear in around 5-20 years. If the AI can soon do everything, it's not such a big issue that it makes me less significant now.
Sauce pls. =)
Quote:
Is it? My general take on this from many sources tells me another story. People don't seem to care if its hand made or not, as long as its a shiny picture of dragons its all cool.
no, a lot of people do care :) AI art leaves me about as cold as those "personalized" emails saying "Hi farfar! It was so great to see you buying something in our webshop, and would you please leave us a review?"
the only uplifting part about those emails is when the name is displayed as <entryNotFound> or whatever :)
Quote:
I can send/point you to Amiga demo compo live chat logs, live and not-so-live forum threads and comment sections where people went from "Nice!" to "Burn the witch!" along with sick/puke emojis as soon as somebody pointed out AI usage.Is it? My general take on this from many sources tells me another story. People don't seem to care if its hand made or not, as long as its a shiny picture of dragons its all cool.
This happened not only with TM2, which is most blatant about it, but with the more subtle entry/ies, too.
The interesting part is that this can be interpreted as: the result is not only what counts, the (actual or perceived) process is very important, too. So important that process can taint the result entirely.
Quote:
the result is not only what counts, the (actual or perceived) process is very important, too.
Hallelujah. It’s called “context”.
Look Ma, I wrote my own bumper sticker wisdoms! They are about the LLM AI.
This is not the next step in procedural generation, it's an insult to procedural generation. This is not the next step in art production, it's an insult to art. This is not the next step in extension of life, it's an insult to life itself. Thank you for that last point mr. Hayao Miyazaki.
I'd like these words to be the final conclusion of my involvement with this forum. Unfortunately I can't really make any promises. But I'll try my best to remove my unconstructive thoughts and I'll be leaving you all pragmatical and creative people to agree upon technical details on how to better install this beautiful and imminent tech in our midst.
Petty personal "gain" aside, the eagerness with which some among us seem to be ready to sacrifice their comrades at the altair of The Machine troubles me deeply.
Peace.
This is not the next step in procedural generation, it's an insult to procedural generation. This is not the next step in art production, it's an insult to art. This is not the next step in extension of life, it's an insult to life itself. Thank you for that last point mr. Hayao Miyazaki.
I'd like these words to be the final conclusion of my involvement with this forum. Unfortunately I can't really make any promises. But I'll try my best to remove my unconstructive thoughts and I'll be leaving you all pragmatical and creative people to agree upon technical details on how to better install this beautiful and imminent tech in our midst.
Petty personal "gain" aside, the eagerness with which some among us seem to be ready to sacrifice their comrades at the altair of The Machine troubles me deeply.
Peace.
Quote:
The interesting part is that this can be interpreted as: the result is not only what counts, the (actual or perceived) process is very important, too. So important that process can taint the result entirely.
Ever heard of procedural graphics or sizecoding?
Quote:
Point was to reassure The_Sarge that yes, people do care.Hallelujah. It’s called “context”.
Quote:
If you care to investigate, i've dabbled in those. Not sure what your point is regarding the generative AI discussion here.Ever heard of procedural graphics or sizecoding?
Quote:
people went from "Nice!" to "Burn the witch!" along with sick/puke emojis as soon as somebody pointed out AI usage.
Sounds a bit like the discussions about Unreal Engine and friends a while back.
Quote:
Quote:Point was to reassure The_Sarge that yes, people do care.Hallelujah. It’s called “context”.
Quote:If you care to investigate, i've dabbled in those. Not sure what your point is regarding the generative AI discussion here.Ever heard of procedural graphics or sizecoding?
I hope are right and it's comforting to read what you say. :)
We all need to help pointing out AI art in productions so people learn to distinguish between hand made stuff and prompted. And raise our voices making it harder to get away with faking it.
Quote:
Ever heard of procedural graphics or sizecoding?
No doubt that if people were able to design ANNs that output mediocre & generic sizecoding prods, they would. They even did already.
This approach can be 1337 as a tech show-off, or proof-of-concept, or even actual art with a skilled human artist using it as enhancement tool, but I predict the vast majority of people will use it as a cheap farm for internet points, with mediocre results, highlighting the nature of ANNs, which is being a giant machinery of automated and well-hidden copyright infringement.
Quote:
One can argue that this is not their essential innate nature, but a flaw in implementation courtesy of greed, capitalism and whatnot.the nature of ANNs, which is being a giant machinery of automated and well-hidden copyright infringement
They are akin to a blurry JPEG of whatever you train them with, and that material could be entirely public domain or your own prior art or properly licensed.
This should of course be properly attributed to counter copyright infringements claims.
Looking at this discussion here, I'm wondering what they're putting into the water were you folks live. First: The age of copyright is over. Second: Why would you want to care about copyright for your artwork, to begin with? And third, especially in the demoscene - which originates in a punk, grafitti, give a shit on copyright, bitnapping, collage, reworking, putting things into your own context scene.
