AI crap in compo entries?
category: general [glöplog]
Ummmm it might sound like a pixelart school project, but for cases where craft is the more important, orgaz could supply a number of pictures (say, 2? 3?) and then it's up to the participants to decide what to do with them. Someone could single one out just to create the pixel version of it. An other might opt to do a collage before pixeling over it. Others may subtract or add, or distort. Or, pretty much whatever one might fancy or imagine.
So, by having a common starting point, it should be easier to judge who took the subject further/better/whatever-else.
Actually, this sounds very interesting as an experiment, as you could have a 'retouch, rethink, remake this classic demoscene picture/demo snapshot' type of compo. Both in oldschool and newschool branches I believe.
So, by having a common starting point, it should be easier to judge who took the subject further/better/whatever-else.
Actually, this sounds very interesting as an experiment, as you could have a 'retouch, rethink, remake this classic demoscene picture/demo snapshot' type of compo. Both in oldschool and newschool branches I believe.
before implementing that policy, think about whether that would actually deter genAI use or not. and consider it was the fox who told you how to secure the hen house.
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They must have stopped training at material from 1988 or so. Pics are very oldskool, and uh, fugly. No current C-64 pixel artist should be scared (just yet)."Come down, the pixel artists will not go extinct". Rejoice:
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Dunno how you got that idea, and how that would relate to my opinion of generative AI output.if you like what you see there, wouldn't one be forgiven to think that it seems like you have a beef with pixel artists in general?
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Dunno how you got that idea, and how that would relate to my opinion of generative AI output.
Forget it, it's just my weird way of banalizing things, going for the extreme.
My take was - the decision whether to pixel by hand or use (a more advanced version of) an AI generator should be on the pixeler. Oh, but it gets slippery. See, if a certain speed and aesthetic gets set by heavy AI usage by some "artists", then the same will come to be expected of masters too. It becomes a rat-race. So you end up forcing the pixel masters to work in a way they perhaps don't like at all. Maybe they'd rather, you know, paint and pixel instead of type prompts. Some drop out. I don't know if my way of saying this makes sense. AI generator is an industrial tool, made for volume and speed. Demoscene is a manufacture heavily leaning on artisanry. Think how fast fashion squeezed out hand made clothes. I can predict what some will say - there are still clothes being made by hand today. EXACTLY! This (demoscene) is the exact place to cherish handicraft.
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AI generator is an industrial tool
In fact it's not a tool in a classical sense at all, that's what I repeat all the time like I was retarded, but you get my point...
The deal is a masterpiece in its due time, or cheap shovelware drivel in no time.
I think this still holds. :)
And i think no democrew in their right mind would prefer the latter over a new masterpiece once it's ready.
I think this still holds. :)
And i think no democrew in their right mind would prefer the latter over a new masterpiece once it's ready.
the perpetrators already spent more time and effort in this thread defending the use of AI in their amiga demo than in actually making content for said amiga demo, chapeau!
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It might also reduce the number of submissions (and not because AI jockeys are deterred), and few parties besides Revision may want to affort that.before implementing that policy, think about whether that would actually deter genAI use or not. and consider it was the fox who told you how to secure the hen house.
Trying to push out generative AI by putting more pressure on people is probably a very bad idea.
^ listen to frost
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"Come down, the pixel artists will not go extinct". Rejoice:
https://civitai.com/models/304097/sdxl-commodore-64-style-pixel-art
Hey, that's a nice LoRA! No. I don't think that tool will destroy the C64 pixel-art scene. On the contrary, it will make it even stronger.
By the way, for future Toxic Modulo issues, Greippi should try this nice Jay Miner generator. It was created by Iolo/Compofillers so it could be considered a demotool. :]
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I don't think that tool will destroy the C64 pixel-art scene
Your optimism is nice. And also irrelevant. My pessimism too. Irrelevant. All I want is to hear how real C64 pixel artists feel about this. That should be the only relevant thing. Currently, we heard from The Sarge.
I saw Ego Bots again just now for the first time since the stream and I have to agree, the whole production is just... off. I can imagine that AI was used to composite portions of the cartoon panels together as a lot of it looks generic, but surely someone created the superhero character and the robots, right? Or was that AI too? The plot in the speech bubbles surely sounds random and all over the place, so that must've been an AI concoction, and I believe it is.
As for the music, I didn't like it much, sounded very compressed and repetitive. I gave the whole prod a thumb up as I loved the technique used to add more colours to the 16 available in hi-res interlaced on an A500 using the copper, which is something I haven't seen much of, except in prods like Elevation and Dandelion, but I think now that I was being very generous, as the rest is very meh.
As for the music, I didn't like it much, sounded very compressed and repetitive. I gave the whole prod a thumb up as I loved the technique used to add more colours to the 16 available in hi-res interlaced on an A500 using the copper, which is something I haven't seen much of, except in prods like Elevation and Dandelion, but I think now that I was being very generous, as the rest is very meh.
It’s so nice that you can say what you think of the prod. When I try to do it, parameter by parameter, I get accused of “reiterating”.
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No. I don't think that tool will destroy the C64 pixel-art scene. On the contrary, it will make it even stronger
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Many of them seem to be fond of wisdoms and quotes from the bumper stickers. You know, "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger". Sure. It's sometimes true. However, most of the times, what doesn't kill you, cripples you.
Thanks.
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All I want is to hear how real C64 pixel artists feel about this. That should be the only relevant thing. Currently, we heard from The Sarge.
You can probably call me a C64 pixel artist.
Do we need a new word for productions not containing any AI stuff? "Purewet"?, "Allmeat"?, "Onlyhomo"?
How about "Fakeprod"? "Lazyprod"?
How about "lame ass crap"?
Damn, I misread the question. Of course I mean that productions that contains AI stuff should be called that...
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Do we need a new word for productions not containing any AI stuff? "Purewet"?, "Allmeat"?, "Onlyhomo"?
Those are very good and funny names! However, I think Foebane72 and Frost fine proposals have hit the nail describing much better those kind of prods you mention. :]
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You can probably call me a C64 pixel artist.
Why of course, and a damn fine one if I may add. From the best group in the universe.
Reading all this makes me realise all my effort is spent on the wrong audience.
I think I will ask ChatGPT where to post my work in the future.
I think I will ask ChatGPT where to post my work in the future.
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We may never know. A wise man once said, "Making sense is optional." =)The plot in the speech bubbles surely sounds random and all over the place, so that must've been an AI concoction, and I believe it is.
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But why? It still seems like real human-made art is pretty much unanimously preferred over bot-generated graphics, no?Reading all this makes me realise all my effort is spent on the wrong audience.