How to run a demoparty during a pandemic
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Victim playing (also known as playing the victim, victim card, or self-victimization) is the fabrication or exaggeration of victimhood for a variety of reasons such as to justify abuse of others, to manipulate others, a coping strategy, attention seeking or diffusion of responsibility.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victim_playing
Endangering the lives of others by making the choice to not vaccinate and still demand to socialize, and then call it "tyrannical government" if it enforces the laws to protect others from this endangerment, is textbook fabrication of victimhood to justify abuse of others and diffusion of responsibility. This goes not only for the direct endangerment but also for the indirect by provoking further mutation of the virus so it then can again endanger the already vaccinated.
Like I said: I don't need a government or politicians to judge the character of an individual.
It's like the kidnapper that cries "kidnapping by a tyrannical government" when he is thrown in jail after he made the decision for his act.
Fun fact: You are lucky that you usually face no consequences if you infect someone else by this virus and that person dies or suffers permanent damage to their health, just because it is almost impossible to trace the one responsible. If someone infects someone else with the HIV virus and could be traced, that person is going to jail for aggravated battery. What is happening with Corona is nothing new, it is in effect for decades regarding a virus type like HIV. The difference is, that the spread of HIV is not that easy, and it often can be traced to the one who infected (endangered) someone else, so the safety measurements are not affecting literally billions of people worldwide like Corona does right now.
In a normal society every activity that endangers others is only allowed under restrictions. Some are well know like the restrictions for smoking and those who want to smoke, and the restrictions for driving a car and those who want to drive. If your activity endangers the health/lives others, you are placed under restrictions. Right now, not being vaccinated, not wearing a mask, not being tested, is exactly that - and thus you are placed under restrictions. That is not a "tyrannical government", that is the exact opposite: A government protecting its citizens from the tyrannical behavior of those individuals who want to engage in activities that endanger others.
@salinga spot on analogy in few words. thanks!
Salinga, you are proclaiming the tyranny of the unvaccinated on the basis that the virus would no longer have a playing field among the vaccinated. This is wrong.
If vaccinated can conceive and transmit the virus, the playfield is there regardless of the state of vaccination, i.e. the playfield for mutation.
In this case, being vaccinated even hampers the natural process of a virus becoming less harmful while it diffuses into the population.
I wouldn't proclaim a tyranny of the vaccinated for this reason alone, it's everybody's choice to get a vaccination.
The tyranny results from planned discrimination, and that happens at the state level.
If vaccinated can conceive and transmit the virus, the playfield is there regardless of the state of vaccination, i.e. the playfield for mutation.
In this case, being vaccinated even hampers the natural process of a virus becoming less harmful while it diffuses into the population.
I wouldn't proclaim a tyranny of the vaccinated for this reason alone, it's everybody's choice to get a vaccination.
The tyranny results from planned discrimination, and that happens at the state level.
First off: Salinga deserves a damn medal for actually still arguing on that level after not only reading the people in this thread, but also after living through tha last 18 months, in which, i can assume, he was cofronted more that once with situations like these.
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"Planned discrimination" "tyranny of the vaccinated" - aight. This is it. I'm out.
You need a can of drunk worms for a brain to make up this shit and it actually tells a lot about how you guys function.
And i actually am pretty sure you must be german, since this is exactly the kind of narrative the extreme (and esoteric) right spreads among social media. So i think it would be the best for you to set sail for Antarctica to find the gates of Neuschwabenland.
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"Planned discrimination" "tyranny of the vaccinated" - aight. This is it. I'm out.
You need a can of drunk worms for a brain to make up this shit and it actually tells a lot about how you guys function.
And i actually am pretty sure you must be german, since this is exactly the kind of narrative the extreme (and esoteric) right spreads among social media. So i think it would be the best for you to set sail for Antarctica to find the gates of Neuschwabenland.
So according to this I guess I should be an esoteric extremely far right german social media user. One of these assumptions would be correct.
The obedient always think about themselves as virtuous, rather than cowardly.
The hell i am obedient. It's not like i don't have my own fair share of problems of what is happening politically right now, especially in germany, and look very critically at a lot of things that are happening right now.
But that does not mean, that i think all of it as bullshit and put human lives in jeopardy, which is, for smart skeptics like you, not even a small problem. So please go on with your very smart tactics, being heroes of free thinking.
But let the grown-ups do some work, so we can get over with this shit asap.
I love how you quote people thinking that makes you look like a hero or an intellectual. You appear actually exactly like the opposite. Btw i don't talk to pedophiles, so: sorry.
But that does not mean, that i think all of it as bullshit and put human lives in jeopardy, which is, for smart skeptics like you, not even a small problem. So please go on with your very smart tactics, being heroes of free thinking.
But let the grown-ups do some work, so we can get over with this shit asap.
I love how you quote people thinking that makes you look like a hero or an intellectual. You appear actually exactly like the opposite. Btw i don't talk to pedophiles, so: sorry.
Ok bitch, can we perhaps agree that I'm a skeptic (perhaps smart, perhaps not) and continue on that basis?
I have my political bias, it may come from a totally own, idiosyncratic angle. Can we sort this out without namecalling?
For me it's not about being a hero or great thinker. I see massive restrictions ahead and a potential slippery road into totalitarism.
I am not that much affected personally as others. I'm not sure why I'm raising my voice. May it be some kind of... altruism? I don't know. Is that such a bad thing to have at least a few warning or dissenting voices?
I have my political bias, it may come from a totally own, idiosyncratic angle. Can we sort this out without namecalling?
For me it's not about being a hero or great thinker. I see massive restrictions ahead and a potential slippery road into totalitarism.
I am not that much affected personally as others. I'm not sure why I'm raising my voice. May it be some kind of... altruism? I don't know. Is that such a bad thing to have at least a few warning or dissenting voices?
You people always think that it's YOUR time that will have the great change, that it's about YOU and the things YOU witness. I don't know i books and history are new to you, but the past had literally always more shit going on than in your time. Because we are so well off.
You have the luxury to live in a welfare state that actually cares about it's citiziens to a degree, that they hand out a vaccination for free in an effort to combat a a pandemic. Not that it's perfect, what they are doing, far from it, but it's worth a shot (pun intended). Want to look on some third-world country in that regard?
For me, someone who worked years with fugitive people and seen the misery other places on earth bring forth, bearing witness that people like you trying to actively fight what we have here, is just bonkers.
Do we have a bunch of corrupt politician having no clue of what they are doing? Obviously.
Is this still the best time to be alive to battle aganst a pandemic with the fruits of science? Hell fucking yes.
And if shit goes down in the wrong direction politically, we have all the means of communication and to distribute information to work against that. Something we didn't have in the past in that magnitude as well. In short: It's the best fucking situation we ever had.
I think the likes of you have never witnessed real totalitarism and play the wannabe-hero online, calling themselves skeptics and whatnot, but what have you provided to society? I suppose nothing. You are useless, unless you actively partaken in something (like i did for some years, for instance, being both politically active as well as my years of service during the migration crisis).
I don't see anything in your behaviour being an act of altruism. It's rather an egocentric shit-show on the internet. If you think what you are doing is anything but about you, you are an idiot.
You want to change shit? Fine. Go somewhere and partake politically. Do all the work it takes to voice your concerns and bring them forth in a way that actually could be interpreted as altruism. Right now, you are nothing to me but a fool on the internet who thinks he's smart, but actually just to much of a coward to make these moves in a way they should be made to actually make a difference. Join a political party, do work in that direction.
If this is not the case, you, indeed, to me and actually as a whole, fucking useless.
You have the luxury to live in a welfare state that actually cares about it's citiziens to a degree, that they hand out a vaccination for free in an effort to combat a a pandemic. Not that it's perfect, what they are doing, far from it, but it's worth a shot (pun intended). Want to look on some third-world country in that regard?
For me, someone who worked years with fugitive people and seen the misery other places on earth bring forth, bearing witness that people like you trying to actively fight what we have here, is just bonkers.
Do we have a bunch of corrupt politician having no clue of what they are doing? Obviously.
Is this still the best time to be alive to battle aganst a pandemic with the fruits of science? Hell fucking yes.
And if shit goes down in the wrong direction politically, we have all the means of communication and to distribute information to work against that. Something we didn't have in the past in that magnitude as well. In short: It's the best fucking situation we ever had.
I think the likes of you have never witnessed real totalitarism and play the wannabe-hero online, calling themselves skeptics and whatnot, but what have you provided to society? I suppose nothing. You are useless, unless you actively partaken in something (like i did for some years, for instance, being both politically active as well as my years of service during the migration crisis).
I don't see anything in your behaviour being an act of altruism. It's rather an egocentric shit-show on the internet. If you think what you are doing is anything but about you, you are an idiot.
You want to change shit? Fine. Go somewhere and partake politically. Do all the work it takes to voice your concerns and bring them forth in a way that actually could be interpreted as altruism. Right now, you are nothing to me but a fool on the internet who thinks he's smart, but actually just to much of a coward to make these moves in a way they should be made to actually make a difference. Join a political party, do work in that direction.
If this is not the case, you, indeed, to me and actually as a whole, fucking useless.
Bitch, you are wrong on so many accounts, but you've made yourself perfectly clear.
Since you didn't say anything about even a single point, i think i hit spot pretty clearly.
Damn i'm good.
Damn i'm good.
The fact that you think these vaccines are "free" tells me you don't understand the situation at all.
The scariest sentence in the English language is "Hello I'm from the government and I'm here to help"
The scariest sentence in the English language is "Hello I'm from the government and I'm here to help"
Again: Pedo, stay away from me.
I have ignored it so far, but you should be careful about calling people a pedo on a public forum.
Bitch, you want a point by point breakdown of _that_ post, really?
No, insinuation for polemic effect.
Agreed.
No, insinuation for polemic effect.
Obviously.
Yes.
Undecided here. This seemed so for a while. But free speech is already driven back into more obscure and outdated media, because mainstream social media are increasingly getting regulated and in alliance with governments to control what is possible to say there and what not. At least that's my observation from the outside of social media.
Insinuation for polemic effect (and wrong)
Insinuations for polemic effect, nicely tarnished in an if-clause, the insinuation being wrong
Insinuations for polemic effect. Warning, polemic ahead: Yes, you have problems.
Thanks for the advice, that's what I'm doing. Political parties, protests, citizen movements, you name it.
You have yourself perfectly clear.
Insinuations for polemic effect, nicely tarnished in an if-clause, the insinuation being wrong
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You people always think that it's YOUR time that will have the great change, that it's about YOU and the things YOU witness. I don't know i books and history are new to you,
No, insinuation for polemic effect.
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but the past had literally always more shit going on than in your time. Because we are so well off.
Agreed.
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For me, someone who worked years with fugitive people and seen the misery other places on earth bring forth, bearing witness that people like you trying to actively fight what we have here, is just bonkers.
No, insinuation for polemic effect.
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Do we have a bunch of corrupt politician having no clue of what they are doing? Obviously.
Obviously.
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Is this still the best time to be alive to battle aganst a pandemic with the fruits of science? Hell fucking yes.
Yes.
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And if shit goes down in the wrong direction politically, we have all the means of communication and to distribute information to work against that. Something we didn't have in the past in that magnitude as well. In short: It's the best fucking situation we ever had.
Undecided here. This seemed so for a while. But free speech is already driven back into more obscure and outdated media, because mainstream social media are increasingly getting regulated and in alliance with governments to control what is possible to say there and what not. At least that's my observation from the outside of social media.
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I think the likes of you have never witnessed real totalitarism and play the wannabe-hero online, calling themselves skeptics and whatnot, but what have you provided to society? I suppose nothing.
Insinuation for polemic effect (and wrong)
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You are useless, unless you actively partaken in something (like i did for some years, for instance, being both politically active as well as my years of service during the migration crisis).
Insinuations for polemic effect, nicely tarnished in an if-clause, the insinuation being wrong
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I don't see anything in your behaviour being an act of altruism. It's rather an egocentric shit-show on the internet. If you think what you are doing is anything but about you, you are an idiot.
Insinuations for polemic effect. Warning, polemic ahead: Yes, you have problems.
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You want to change shit? Fine. Go somewhere and partake politically. Do all the work it takes to voice your concerns and bring them forth in a way that actually could be interpreted as altruism.
Thanks for the advice, that's what I'm doing. Political parties, protests, citizen movements, you name it.
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Right now, you are nothing to me but a fool on the internet who thinks he's smart, but actually just to much of a coward to make these moves in a way they should be made to actually make a difference.
You have yourself perfectly clear.
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Join a political party, do work in that direction. If this is not the case, you, indeed, to me and actually as a whole, fucking useless.
Insinuations for polemic effect, nicely tarnished in an if-clause, the insinuation being wrong
You have yet to disprove that. Until then, it's a possibility.
Wow.
Vaccination seems to help to spread the virus less as do other methods like wearing masks, so it is mutating less, which is the biggest problem atm. Are you suggesting we let what 100000, a million or more people die to have to have stable variant? What tells you it wont be more aggressive in the end or we have even more variants?
I know a few people that had COVID and can assure you it was not pretty. So I see vaccinations (and wearing masks etc) in general as a social responsibility and people that do not get vaccinated make me pretty sad, because the gain usually outweighs the problems and, again you're not doing it for yourself only.
That said: Do not go to a fucking Demoparty if you don't agree with the rules. Stay the fuck at home and leave people be.
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If vaccinated can conceive and transmit the virus, the playfield is there regardless of the state of vaccination, i.e. the playfield for mutation.
In this case, being vaccinated even hampers the natural process of a virus becoming less harmful while it diffuses into the population.
Vaccination seems to help to spread the virus less as do other methods like wearing masks, so it is mutating less, which is the biggest problem atm. Are you suggesting we let what 100000, a million or more people die to have to have stable variant? What tells you it wont be more aggressive in the end or we have even more variants?
I know a few people that had COVID and can assure you it was not pretty. So I see vaccinations (and wearing masks etc) in general as a social responsibility and people that do not get vaccinated make me pretty sad, because the gain usually outweighs the problems and, again you're not doing it for yourself only.
That said: Do not go to a fucking Demoparty if you don't agree with the rules. Stay the fuck at home and leave people be.
I have problems, senor bifat? That's nice to hear. I think i am perfectly fine, since it's not me against 95% of pouet, but rather you and your skeptic friends. But if everyone (especially in an environment like the demoscene, you know: people with brain matter) is against you, maybe you are wrong?
No, it's all the others who are wrong, obviously. Reflecting is not your strength, i guess.
Btw being a Querdenker does not make you you member of a political party. Because that's what i suppose you do. And since you think evething i say is a polemic insinuation, well... Can't help you with that. Maybe you should read a book like Gabbie and quote it half the time to actually appear intellectual, despite the fact that's it's quite obivously bullshit-buzzwords-bingo to give the impression of someone smart. You basically just told me anything i said is bullshit. Ok then.
Right now you have been part of this discussion for quite the time and how have you helped exactly? Not at all. Any suggestions about how to make things better? Nope. Didn't see any. Just nagging and bullshit, like always. that's all you people can, actually.
"This is wrong!" - "Well, how do we make it better then?" - "No idea, i just know this is wrong! Wake up, sheeple! I am smart! A skeptic!"
(Ah yes: Letting the virus spread uncontrollably, like you sort of implied in a sentence, is not an alternative.)
And then you try to nitpick things i said like Gabbie, who thinks he's smart for pointing out i said we receive vaccination for free, but if you read the term "welfare state" in the same text, well, you should actually know better / know i know better. I don't actually think you guys can think clearly and outside of your bubble.
Gabbie also did nothing except for comparing the vaccination status to being jewish and therefore relativizing the shoa, which in the long run ironically has the same effect on jewish people, that he feared would impact the unvaccinated. But hey: Maybe it's just me. It's not like if he would have phrased this very sentence differently he would have commited a crime in germany.
So take your tinfoil hat, wrap it as tight as possible around your head and make sure to cover the ears so no brain drops out, if you are to tilt your head, and keep on being "active".
And if you think i am afraid of you: no. I was never afraid of liars and bigots. I have had discussions with religious extremists, literal nazis and people who think Mao was quite cool. You could actually come to a demoparty and talk to me about that stuff and i would talk to you about that, but i actually don't think you have the cohones, internet hero.
So i shall leave you very smart people, rhetorics, skeptics and possible, since not disproven weird sexual interests alone now, for i will attend an demoparty in the internet, which will be great, and hopefully without you.
No, it's all the others who are wrong, obviously. Reflecting is not your strength, i guess.
Btw being a Querdenker does not make you you member of a political party. Because that's what i suppose you do. And since you think evething i say is a polemic insinuation, well... Can't help you with that. Maybe you should read a book like Gabbie and quote it half the time to actually appear intellectual, despite the fact that's it's quite obivously bullshit-buzzwords-bingo to give the impression of someone smart. You basically just told me anything i said is bullshit. Ok then.
Right now you have been part of this discussion for quite the time and how have you helped exactly? Not at all. Any suggestions about how to make things better? Nope. Didn't see any. Just nagging and bullshit, like always. that's all you people can, actually.
"This is wrong!" - "Well, how do we make it better then?" - "No idea, i just know this is wrong! Wake up, sheeple! I am smart! A skeptic!"
(Ah yes: Letting the virus spread uncontrollably, like you sort of implied in a sentence, is not an alternative.)
And then you try to nitpick things i said like Gabbie, who thinks he's smart for pointing out i said we receive vaccination for free, but if you read the term "welfare state" in the same text, well, you should actually know better / know i know better. I don't actually think you guys can think clearly and outside of your bubble.
Gabbie also did nothing except for comparing the vaccination status to being jewish and therefore relativizing the shoa, which in the long run ironically has the same effect on jewish people, that he feared would impact the unvaccinated. But hey: Maybe it's just me. It's not like if he would have phrased this very sentence differently he would have commited a crime in germany.
So take your tinfoil hat, wrap it as tight as possible around your head and make sure to cover the ears so no brain drops out, if you are to tilt your head, and keep on being "active".
And if you think i am afraid of you: no. I was never afraid of liars and bigots. I have had discussions with religious extremists, literal nazis and people who think Mao was quite cool. You could actually come to a demoparty and talk to me about that stuff and i would talk to you about that, but i actually don't think you have the cohones, internet hero.
So i shall leave you very smart people, rhetorics, skeptics and possible, since not disproven weird sexual interests alone now, for i will attend an demoparty in the internet, which will be great, and hopefully without you.
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Btw being a Querdenker does not make you you member of a political party. Because that's what i suppose you do.
I guessed that, and you are wrong. Insinuation for polemic effect.
Insinuation for polemic effect = The "Boing-Flip" of the skeptics
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IANAL (look it up :D), but i'm pretty sure that a conviction for infecting someone with any disease hinges on that being done on purpose, or at least wilful neglect.If someone infects someone else with the HIV virus and could be traced, that person is going to jail for aggravated battery. What is happening with Corona is nothing new, it is in effect for decades regarding a virus type like HIV.
As long as vaccination isn't mandated by law and remains a choice, not being vaccinated in itself cannot constitute a punishable criminal offence. Different thing if it's likely you are infected (symptoms, recent contact to infected people) and then go about as if nothing happened, vaccinated or not. For now, at least, the legal alternative to being vaccinated are recent negative test results to reduce the risk of harming others.
However, recent developments indicate that while vaccination state decreases the likelihood of contracting the virus and infecting others, it does not at all reduce that risk to zero. So you can be, in theory, also convicted for infecting someone with the virus despite being vaccinated yourself.
Rear, rest assured that I would never ever infect anybody willingly or against their will with anything. When I'm sick, I stay at home - always. The plan, idea and consensus so far seemed reasonable and obvious: People who need or want it, get their vaccination. And then we keep calm and carry on. In healthy people who are willing to take the risk, the immune system must do the work (quite reliably in its current form since roughly 400 milions of years). This consensus is now being under attack in the country where Deadline takes place, and the organizers have opted to even rush ahead and preempt this transition. Regarding constructive ideas and suggestions: Deadline could for example have an outdoor bigscreen, so people can party outside, as I said already in the other, more constructive thread. So far I've heard only about segeration from the Deadline orga.
bifat I would like to ask you a genuine question. I'm sorry if this has been answered already, but assuming Covid-19 is a thread to you personally is there any type of vaccine that you would accept?
I ask because you seem to be of a sort of Libertarian mindset so you're clearly against government intervention on personal matters. You don't want your government forcing you to inject something into your body. What would be your solution otherwise? Again, assuming hypothetically that the virus would be a very real threat to you personally.
I ask because you seem to be of a sort of Libertarian mindset so you're clearly against government intervention on personal matters. You don't want your government forcing you to inject something into your body. What would be your solution otherwise? Again, assuming hypothetically that the virus would be a very real threat to you personally.
