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imerso: I'm gonna ask you nicely to VERY VERY CAREFULLY reevaluate what you just said and hope that you either come to the conclusion that you either gravely misunderstood something and reacted way above what was necessary, or you perhaps had a moment of some unrelated frustration and decided to take it out on a bystander, because unless that's the case this post is one of those most intolerable, infuriating and morally bankrupt posts that I've seen in recent times, and I am absolutely appalled that someone with any credentials would write something like that.

I am giving you an unreasonable amount of benefit of the doubt here.

(I'm reading imerso's post very much as sarcasm: 'omg, that photo TOTALLY changes everything and justifies what Hardy did'. But yeah, Poe's Law and all that)

He was very inconvenient and should stop drinking, yes.

Now, what "Turbo Anal" (as in her avatar) means, btw? If that means what it seems, is not that somewhat improper for Revision as well? Should such a term be allowed on Discord channels and Revision parties?

Please note that I am not doing any apology to sexual harassment, racism, misogyny, homophobia or anything like that. No, please! I am just trying to make a note about the full context.

I hope you don't ban me for trying to show a different perspective. There is no room for hypocrisy here, right?

Elko: the difference here is between consent, while you don't mind hardy hugging and kissing you, others do. if people don't want to be touched or kissed or sexually harrassed by text messages by hardy, hardy needs to respect those wishes, it doesn't matter what physical constitution he has or in what way you personally perceive him as a non threat, no means no, regardless if the offender is drunk or making a funny. having to explain this to a grown man is rather disapointing and pathetic though, you really don't get he crossed a line? it's fine for a person you are not very close with to randomly grab you out of nowhere and try to force themselfs on you and/or sextext you repeatedly after you told them to fuck off and stop with that nonsense?

imerso: Turboanalisis is a group name, not an open invitation for sexual harassment.

imerso: or i guess by that logic, it's ok to drown you, because your nickname says imerso so you should be fine with it.

What f-king context!? I don't recognise people from photos but no amount of provocative behaviour justify any threats of rape or IRL sexual harassment ever. "Trap" - f-ck off!

Also what ps said as I tried to come up with proper English, much better said :)

uhhh... Turboanalisis is a company which name became sort of meme some years back, from which the group probably got their name... This is getting really stupid.

Her group's Revision "demo" is full of sexual connotations:

https://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=75817

What "123-ANUS", for example, means? What are exactly those jewelry, they look like anuses to me?

In my view, that is a very bad influence and a direct attack to traditional morals, I even dare to say much worse than Hardy's unfortunate jokes, as it -- the "demo" -- is there open for everyone (including children) to see.

I agreed that he was inconvenient, but come on, guys. He contributed a lot to the scene. This case was way more amplified than it should.

Please reconsider. Peace.

And I won't even start discussing the satanic aspects of that "demo", as it does not relate to the case in question.

Ah, "traditional morals", now we're getting somewhere

(and I absolutely don't like where that is)

Can we, like, put this particular argument to bed once and for all and never use it again? There is no contribution quota that you can reach that suddenly allows you to do heinous things, nor there should be.

I am pretty sure u all will find a perfect responsible way to drink and use drugs together, on your next level gated community "social distraction" party.

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oh, this person made a production with some funny explicit content, this is a perfectly fine reason for her to be sexually assaulted hurf durf traditional morals won't someone think of the children!!!!!!!!

hmm, OK. *recalibrates sarcasm detector*

imerso, if you're not saying that "she made some productions with explicit content" is excusing the sexual harassment, what exactly are you saying by bringing that up? Don't just hide behind "giving the full context" - WHY is that 'context' relevant?

imerso, that's just un-fucking-believable. first i thought this is a really badly done joke, but apparently you seriously believe what you write? i mean, wtf, besides of the logic of your argument being completely rotten in many ways - have you lived under the rock for the past 8 years? you seriously want to uphold the perspective that this is about a "well-known scener" vs. "two unknown, crazy women"? not that it's of any importance, mind you, as gargaj already pointed out. but if you really want to go down the scene meritocracy route: these women have achieved more in the scene and won more compos than you have and probably ever will. if you care so much about scene achievements - it's you who is the lamer here. you are making a complete laughing stock of yourself.

imerso, you're a gigantic moron.

Like in: "..but he did het not order to build those fantastic Autobahns?"

Fun-Fact:
Someone analyzed here bad girl attitude completely wrong. More content please.

Time for ice-cream and Dead Kennedys.

Ok.

To finally understand what really happened on that chat, I went to the Discord channel, scrolled back to that day and hour, and read every message until after the event as if I was there at the time.

I admit: I felt very, very bad, felt real shame while reading that and seeing the huge amount of people there seeing those offenses. That was gross, uncalled and indeed, the girl asked multiple times for him to stop. Yes, yes, that was really really wrong.

I am sorry for not immediately sharing the same sentiment, and not understanding the severity. The screenshot I previously seen with the resume did not really gave the impact of reading all that mixed with many, many other people around, as if I was there.

That is it, you're right, regardless of her group's demos, that does not give anyone rights for uncalled random offenses. That came from nothing, there was not even a previous interaction opening road for that.

I see now.

Sorry. =(

imerso: fair play for coming back and setting the record straight

Being able to see the other side of things is a sign of greatness

yes, respect for being able to reconsider.

To clear things up:
I did not left because only hardy fucked up.
I left because in the TRSI internal discord that night, the reaction to the facts have been even more disgusting by several members.

For example just to pick the heaviest:
"These cunts, wiggle their asses and wonder that you want to lick the juicy steak"

And then i talked to other sceners because i was totally upset and irritated and they gave me a moment of truth, because they came clean:

"When ppl see TRSi, they dont see "sleeping gods" or the well respected and cool members. They see drunk and/or drugged old men who have no control over themselves, who regularly embarrass themselves, harrass others and who behave badly."

Sure..there are many members who are cool and nice, but they are not the ones representing. The most noticeable members throw a bad light on themself and the group.

I had to face that Homophobia and sexism IS a thing in parts of TRSi.
Another Quote from that night:
"yeah...politically correct Revision cunts. Next they hang up a rainbow flag at the entrance."

...and y´all found it funny.

Iam ashamed of apologizing for my so called "groupmates" and i dont want to be part of a group sceners are scared of.

Besides that I am tired of telling my groupmates, to treat the Party i built with my closest friends with respect instead of shitting all over the place.

Dont get me wrong:
My statement is not about blaming the entire group.
But the group is now at a point, where they have to decide how they want to be perceived in the future and if they tolerate everything what comes out of it.

And some sceners should start working on themselves.
There can maybe certainly be forgiveness when sceners see that serious work is being done on themselves.