mega best software fan-thread
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mega best software rules!
best name and best bk-0010 group, ever.
fuckings to lamers who still use western technology, amen.
best name and best bk-0010 group, ever.
fuckings to lamers who still use western technology, amen.
couldnt have said it better myself :)
mega best software rules so fucking much it's not even funny
master home computers group deserves a medal aswell
Its even "(c) MEGA BEST SOFTWARE INC"!
please, what is bk-0010 ?
thank you.
thank you.
russian terak clone. terak was an early graphics computer from the usa which never got very popular.
GREETINGS TO: MEGA BEST SOFTWARE AND CAROLINE (CARTOON ONLINE) SOFTWARE INC.
well iirc bk-0010 looked a bit different from what gargaj posted. Following page hosting doesnt allow direct image linking so i'll just paste > link <
and, yes, we have computers... :)
i believe that if soviets were still alive and kicking :), the next generation of computers would have been released : bk-0036 : zeitmaschine XD
i believe that if soviets were still alive and kicking :), the next generation of computers would have been released : bk-0036 : zeitmaschine XD
looking at narod.ru download speeds, i have no problems whatsoever believing the soviets are still "alive and kicking". ;)
got those @ skool just a decade ago, YO!
remember i was surprising my teaching with better algos than those he got in the book, even if this machine got the shittiest basic ever. it was black tho and with different keys than one in the picture, and it was damn slow featuring most ugly colors. they told me BK-0011 was an ace, tho.
ok its official, MZG05 will have BK0011 democompo aswell ;D
Found a cool article about BKdemoscene, translated it at translate.ru and fixed it up like hell. In some places it is still pretty messed up but i hope i got it good enough although somethings are still unclear to me.
get the original here
It's from 1999 btw.
get the original here
It's from 1999 btw.
Quote:
REVIEW OF THE BK-DEMOSCENE
--------------------------
Author: Adam Bazaroff
Prepared specially for the mag RUsH
BK demonscene
Foreword.
The BK demoscene (from now on - the scene) is very young and cannot brag about an abundance of colourful demos. Actually it is a consequence of the fact that there were a few very good people on BK who could undertake the development of the direction give from outside. Though a wheelbarrow(?), in this context, not bad...
Characteristics of BK. (From now on I will talk about the machine BK-0011M. The most badass from the BK family.)
Word length: 16 bits (DEC PDP-11 architecture)
Memory: 128kB (16kB pages). Plus the ДОЗУ(?) (16, 32, 64, 128, 512kB).
Graphics: Four colors (in a standard palette: red, green, blue, black), plus of 15 additional palettes. Two videos of the screen on 16kB. Hardware, vertical scrolling. No color-clashing like ZX spectrum!
Resolution: standard 256*256 (color) and 512*256 (mono). With interlace it is possible to have 512*512, and even 1024*512!
Without problems a disk drive and harddrive is connected (it is even possible to connect two!), a printer, a modem and other paraphernalia. Of course, the software won't be organized - one DOS next to five. By the way, it is possible to argue, that any OS on the Speccy, in comparison with BK's CSIDOS, is alot worse. I base my opinion from IS-DOS which I think, as do many others I know, is the best OS on ZX.
Demo parties.
Demos were made, almost from the very beginning of the BK's life. But successful development in this direction was made only after (somewhere in 1994-95) when people connected AY, the coprocessor COVOX to it. The first melody which came from a BK's COVOX was "delivered" by XPEh's fingers, due to RDC.(?)
In 1996. With combined efforts the Moscow group Strogino Programm Company and "Клyбом БК на Свиблово" organized the first BK demoparty ever: BK Mania in Moscow. According to Alexander Machygovskim ten 4k intros and two megademos were submitted to the compo, and ofcourse alot of COVOX music aswell. After that, "BK mania" was carried out once again, in August of 1997, and a last attempt to continue was on ByteFall 99. It was a (badly organized) party that much has been said about, and I, being one of those who was let down, shall not add anything more.
In the late of August of 1999, CAFe99 was held in Kazan. Four 4k intros and two demos were presented in the compos. I have to say, the quality of these works were much better than what we had seen earlier.
Quality of works.
If we are look at those (pre-1999) works today, they certainly look dated. But in those times it was the uttermost rulez! Remember? Background and "perverted" dancing lines, everyone's "crazy ball", color effects and so forth. I can say for comparison, that on BK there are practically full of conversions of speccy demos: "SHOCK", "LYRA", "INSULT." (Some people say, that they have left better originals...)
"Today's" demo-design was seen on BK only in 1997 when on this platform for the first time morphing was realized, interlace and so forth. From works on BK mania 97, and you have to see those to begin acquaintance with today's BK demoscene. If we had seen more or less only one worthy demo in 1996, we had seen three in 1997 - the whole three. And all of them were enough high, on those times, equal, and at last without "super-phat" dancing lines.
So, this year in general it is possible to consider critical in the life of BK on the scene, for the first time we have high-grade effects like BUMP, SHADE BOBS, BUMB MAPPING, PLASMA, PHONG, ZOOM and many others (I advice you to look for the demo "RAYS" from Unreal which not absolutely correctly appeared on the second place) are realized.
From that we gather it is possible to realize practically any effect on BK, you only have to know "which" and "how", i.e. to understand the craft of demomaking - to know algorithms and so forth. The latest thing in demomaking on ZX aswell as BK is "chunky". On BK such way of presenting images is high-grade and it was made only in this year. Spectrum coders must take some vaction, since it's color chunky! A palette of 64 colors (without any distortions, type two screens or change of palettes through interrupt!)
From the latest news of demo development: TRUECOLOR, VOXEL and TUNNEL... In other words BK lives and develops!
BK vs ZX.
BK only really resembles speccy as far as I know, in one aspect - in speed schedules.
How so? After all clock frequencies of the platforms are identical??? Elementary, Watson :) The vertical resultion of the screen, is less than BK by a quarter. And the VRAM size is 6kB! And on BK it's 16kB (do not forget, that BK is a 16bit machine, and ZX an 8bit one)!!!
In other words it takes almost twice as long to fill it compard to ZX. Because of that it is necessary to be perverted, to draw the image of the smaller size or by raw force. By the way, enraging all spectrumists, "clashing" doesn't exist at all on BK. That's the reason why "miksovanija"(?) (colors next to each other i guess -lai)) is possible, various color shades (an example of this is color chunky).
Conclusion.
If you have a dusty BK-0011 somewhere I advice you to try the demos of force on this platform. Certainly, problems arise with asm, but you certainly know that DEC-asm, is considered good (by the way Amiga asm is quite similar to DEC.) I recommend that you try it out.
All necessary software is present. You know - on BK there are so few demos because NO ONE MAKES THEM, not because they cannot be made. In essence demoscene on BK - on two thirds it is not filled. Works a plenty. Whereas on ZX, in my opinion, the apple has nowhere to fall.
Many programmers, I've gathered, say that noone sees their work and from having stayed BK only, they go on to Amiga or PC. That happens, due to the LACKING COMMUNICATION between the programmers. Modems to connect have begun too late... Well, nevertheless, enthusiasts still exist.
P.S.
Please, do not regard the previous work, as an arrival. It is far from being so! I was only asked to describe the condition of the BK demoscene today, and I have tried to make it by measuring the abilities. The comparison between BK and ZX is here to "teach" the material better and see the affinity between these two platforms.
BIG thanks for the help to Pavel Vladimiroff.
And still, I excuse myself if I don't make sense in some places. The article, to a certain extent, was written spontaneously. :)
Welcome to CAFe2000 demo party!!!
http:\\cafeparty.da.ru
With big respect to all active people in the demo field, Adam Bazaroff.
FidoNet: 2:5049/86.17
adam_bazaroff@mail.ru
7.10.99
* ...who could undertake the development...
my english is bad enough but i still think 'who could handle' would fit better... nevermind :)
* Though a wheelbarrow(?), in this context, not bad...
hehe 'wheelbarrow' is a slang word often used as a replacement for such words as 'car' , 'machine' or
'computer' in this case
* ..most badass..
mm maybe most powerful or most mature
* Plus the ДОЗУ
since ОЗУ stands for RAM, ДОЗУ stands for additional RAM ( ARAM :) )
* Two videos of the screen on 16kB
I think it's "Two 16kb video buffers", but it's pretty fucked up in russian
and can be translated as "two 16kb videoscreens/screens/monitors"
* Of course, the software won't be organized - one DOS next to five.
xD oh boy :)
this is "There are lots/shitloads of software around, there are even somewhat five (different) DOS'es"
* I base my opinion from IS-DOS which I think, as do many others I know, is the best OS on ZX.
"I base my opinion from IS-DOS, i used to deal with, and as far as i know, it's said to be best OS on
ZX"
* ..connected AY, the coprocessor COVOX to it.
" connected AY coprocessor and COVOX to it." ( iirc COVOX is a sound device )
* due to RDC.
ahh.. maybe "gratefully to RDC, who (?) put much effort."
* With combined efforts the Moscow group Strogino Programm Company and "Клyбом БК на Свиблов&am
p;#1086;"
With combined efforts the Moscow group Strogino Programm Company ( mainly Alexander Machugovskiy ) and
"Sviblovo BK club/fanclub" " ( Sviblovo is a metro station name/city district name )
* If we are look at those (pre-1999) works today, they certainly look dated.
"If take a look at works released up until 1999, according to current demogeeks criterions, they will
look poor/( withered/faded/dull - transliteration )."
* ..."perverted" dancing lines...
"... "perverted" scrollers ..."
* that they have left better originals...
"that they looked better than original ones..."
* And all of them were enough high, on those times, equal, and at last without "super-phat" dancing
lines.
"And all of them were quite good on those times, and at last without shitload(?) of scrollers."
i think there wasa word misspelled in russian, so shitload should be replaced with "monotonous
scrollers"
* (without any distortions, type two screens or change of palettes through interrupt!)
"(without any hacks like using two screens/buffers (?) and palettes change via interrupts!)"
* in speed schedules
"in graphics speed"
* Because of that it is necessary to be perverted, to draw the image of the smaller size or by raw
force.
"Because of that it is necessary to do some hacks/tricks, for instance draw the image of the smaller
size or draw only every second raw."
* "miksovanija"(?)
"mixing" ( i.e. color mixing in this context )
* try the demos of force on this platform.
"try yourself/try making a production on this platform"
* Works a plenty
"plenty of work" obviously :)
* Many programmers, I've gathered, say that noone sees their work and from having stayed BK only,
they go on to Amiga or PC.
"Many programmers used to think that no one needs their works and they were only ones left on BK
(scene) and so they'd moved to Amiga or PC."
* Please, do not regard the previous work, as an arrival.
"Please don't take this essay as an attack" ( can hardly pick right word, 'attack' should be replaced
with :( well hope you got it )
* I have tried to make it by measuring the abilities.
"I did my best." fits better.
well, my 2 cents ;)
my english is bad enough but i still think 'who could handle' would fit better... nevermind :)
* Though a wheelbarrow(?), in this context, not bad...
hehe 'wheelbarrow' is a slang word often used as a replacement for such words as 'car' , 'machine' or
'computer' in this case
* ..most badass..
mm maybe most powerful or most mature
* Plus the ДОЗУ
since ОЗУ stands for RAM, ДОЗУ stands for additional RAM ( ARAM :) )
* Two videos of the screen on 16kB
I think it's "Two 16kb video buffers", but it's pretty fucked up in russian
and can be translated as "two 16kb videoscreens/screens/monitors"
* Of course, the software won't be organized - one DOS next to five.
xD oh boy :)
this is "There are lots/shitloads of software around, there are even somewhat five (different) DOS'es"
* I base my opinion from IS-DOS which I think, as do many others I know, is the best OS on ZX.
"I base my opinion from IS-DOS, i used to deal with, and as far as i know, it's said to be best OS on
ZX"
* ..connected AY, the coprocessor COVOX to it.
" connected AY coprocessor and COVOX to it." ( iirc COVOX is a sound device )
* due to RDC.
ahh.. maybe "gratefully to RDC, who (?) put much effort."
* With combined efforts the Moscow group Strogino Programm Company and "Клyбом БК на Свиблов&am
p;#1086;"
With combined efforts the Moscow group Strogino Programm Company ( mainly Alexander Machugovskiy ) and
"Sviblovo BK club/fanclub" " ( Sviblovo is a metro station name/city district name )
* If we are look at those (pre-1999) works today, they certainly look dated.
"If take a look at works released up until 1999, according to current demogeeks criterions, they will
look poor/( withered/faded/dull - transliteration )."
* ..."perverted" dancing lines...
"... "perverted" scrollers ..."
* that they have left better originals...
"that they looked better than original ones..."
* And all of them were enough high, on those times, equal, and at last without "super-phat" dancing
lines.
"And all of them were quite good on those times, and at last without shitload(?) of scrollers."
i think there wasa word misspelled in russian, so shitload should be replaced with "monotonous
scrollers"
* (without any distortions, type two screens or change of palettes through interrupt!)
"(without any hacks like using two screens/buffers (?) and palettes change via interrupts!)"
* in speed schedules
"in graphics speed"
* Because of that it is necessary to be perverted, to draw the image of the smaller size or by raw
force.
"Because of that it is necessary to do some hacks/tricks, for instance draw the image of the smaller
size or draw only every second raw."
* "miksovanija"(?)
"mixing" ( i.e. color mixing in this context )
* try the demos of force on this platform.
"try yourself/try making a production on this platform"
* Works a plenty
"plenty of work" obviously :)
* Many programmers, I've gathered, say that noone sees their work and from having stayed BK only,
they go on to Amiga or PC.
"Many programmers used to think that no one needs their works and they were only ones left on BK
(scene) and so they'd moved to Amiga or PC."
* Please, do not regard the previous work, as an arrival.
"Please don't take this essay as an attack" ( can hardly pick right word, 'attack' should be replaced
with :( well hope you got it )
* I have tried to make it by measuring the abilities.
"I did my best." fits better.
well, my 2 cents ;)
thanks mate
some additions
* Actually it is a consequence of the fact that there were a few very good people on BK
"Actually there are almost none, and that's conditioned on/caused by the fact that there are very few
good authors/coders on BK..."
* The most badass
finally i think "The most advanced" fits perfectly.
* Hardware, vertical scrolling.
well, without comma
* Without problems a disk drive...
"Without problems a floppy drive..."
* paraphernalia
"periphery devices"
* By the way, it is possible to argue, that any OS on the Speccy, in comparison with BK's CSIDOS, is
alot worse.
If i got it right ( i am pretty sure i did ) it was supposed to be like this :
"Btw i bet any Speccy OS comparing to CSIDOS on BK looks like crap."
"looks like" can be easily replaced with "is" :)
* "delivered" by XPEh's fingers
"was born under XPEh's fingers" :)
* being one of those who was let down, shall not add anything more.
"being one of those who were fooled, won't add anything more."
* Background and "perverted" scrollers...
Background means not background itself but scrollers in background.
mean "perverted and background scrollers..."
* are practically full of conversions of speccy demos:
"are almost identical conversions/ports of speccy demos:"
* Some people say, that they have left better originals...
"turned out to be" or "went out (?) to be" instead of "have left", + " better than original ones"
* "Today's" demo-design was seen on BK only in 1997
"Modern demo design first appeared on BK in 1997"
* ...morphing was realized...
"...morphing was implemented..."
* From works on BK mania 97, and you have to see those to begin acquaintance with today's BK
demoscene.
better "It's strongly recommended to start with works from BK Mania '97 to begin acquaintance with
today's BK demoscene."
* If we had seen more or less only one worthy demo in 1996...
"If there was only one more or less worthy demo presented/released in 1996..."
* So, this year in general it is possible to consider critical in the life of BK on the scene,
"So, this year in general it is possible to consider turning point in the life of BK demoscene"
* which not absolutely correctly appeared on the second place
"which placed second, tho it probably deserved higher place" ( obviously 1st :D )
well this one is not that accurate but keeps the original idea
* are realized
"were implemented"
* The latest thing in demomaking on...
again, can hardly pick right word but the meaning is
"the latest kickass effect" or something.
* On BK such way of presenting images is high-grade and it was made only in this year.
"On BK such way of image rendering was completely/fully implemented only in this year."
* Spectrum coders must take some vaction, since it's color chunky!
well, means 'spectrum coders will rest ( suck actually :) for a while since now, until they
can impement such effect, because chunks (?) are coloured !'
* TRUECOLOR, VOXEL and TUNNEL...
"TRUECOLOR, coloured VOXEL and TUNNEL..."
there was a word with typo so translater failed to convert it properly i think
* How so?
"How can it be ?" maybe, your version fits very good to tho
* The vertical resultion of the screen, is less than BK by a quarter.
The vertical resultion of the screen, is less than by a quarter than on BK.
* Modems to connect have begun too late...
"When modems have begun to be connected it was too late already" ( to save the scene. hello EP ! :D )
my english grammar sucks :D
* The comparison between BK and ZX is here to "teach" the material better and see the affinity between these two platforms.
"The comparison between BK and ZX is here only to "teach" the material better, because these two platforms are quite similar."
*And still, I excuse myself if I don't make sense in some places.
"One more, excuse me for talking odd in some places." or so :)
* Actually it is a consequence of the fact that there were a few very good people on BK
"Actually there are almost none, and that's conditioned on/caused by the fact that there are very few
good authors/coders on BK..."
* The most badass
finally i think "The most advanced" fits perfectly.
* Hardware, vertical scrolling.
well, without comma
* Without problems a disk drive...
"Without problems a floppy drive..."
* paraphernalia
"periphery devices"
* By the way, it is possible to argue, that any OS on the Speccy, in comparison with BK's CSIDOS, is
alot worse.
If i got it right ( i am pretty sure i did ) it was supposed to be like this :
"Btw i bet any Speccy OS comparing to CSIDOS on BK looks like crap."
"looks like" can be easily replaced with "is" :)
* "delivered" by XPEh's fingers
"was born under XPEh's fingers" :)
* being one of those who was let down, shall not add anything more.
"being one of those who were fooled, won't add anything more."
* Background and "perverted" scrollers...
Background means not background itself but scrollers in background.
mean "perverted and background scrollers..."
* are practically full of conversions of speccy demos:
"are almost identical conversions/ports of speccy demos:"
* Some people say, that they have left better originals...
"turned out to be" or "went out (?) to be" instead of "have left", + " better than original ones"
* "Today's" demo-design was seen on BK only in 1997
"Modern demo design first appeared on BK in 1997"
* ...morphing was realized...
"...morphing was implemented..."
* From works on BK mania 97, and you have to see those to begin acquaintance with today's BK
demoscene.
better "It's strongly recommended to start with works from BK Mania '97 to begin acquaintance with
today's BK demoscene."
* If we had seen more or less only one worthy demo in 1996...
"If there was only one more or less worthy demo presented/released in 1996..."
* So, this year in general it is possible to consider critical in the life of BK on the scene,
"So, this year in general it is possible to consider turning point in the life of BK demoscene"
* which not absolutely correctly appeared on the second place
"which placed second, tho it probably deserved higher place" ( obviously 1st :D )
well this one is not that accurate but keeps the original idea
* are realized
"were implemented"
* The latest thing in demomaking on...
again, can hardly pick right word but the meaning is
"the latest kickass effect" or something.
* On BK such way of presenting images is high-grade and it was made only in this year.
"On BK such way of image rendering was completely/fully implemented only in this year."
* Spectrum coders must take some vaction, since it's color chunky!
well, means 'spectrum coders will rest ( suck actually :) for a while since now, until they
can impement such effect, because chunks (?) are coloured !'
* TRUECOLOR, VOXEL and TUNNEL...
"TRUECOLOR, coloured VOXEL and TUNNEL..."
there was a word with typo so translater failed to convert it properly i think
* How so?
"How can it be ?" maybe, your version fits very good to tho
* The vertical resultion of the screen, is less than BK by a quarter.
The vertical resultion of the screen, is less than by a quarter than on BK.
* Modems to connect have begun too late...
"When modems have begun to be connected it was too late already" ( to save the scene. hello EP ! :D )
my english grammar sucks :D
* The comparison between BK and ZX is here to "teach" the material better and see the affinity between these two platforms.
"The comparison between BK and ZX is here only to "teach" the material better, because these two platforms are quite similar."
*And still, I excuse myself if I don't make sense in some places.
"One more, excuse me for talking odd in some places." or so :)
Quote:
* Spectrum coders must take some vaction, since it's color chunky!
well, means 'spectrum coders will rest ( suck actually :) for a while since now, until they
can impement such effect, because chunks (?) are coloured !'
Chunky normally means 4x4 (dithered black and white). Like almost every demo was on speccy a few years back atleast.
ok, now i see :) thx