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Fucking hell... how big word "big" supposed to be in front of word "business", so you could notice...? :)

Yes... from all those sponsors I meant sceners and small companies like IC... what a nasty ungrateful bitch I am saying that... especially after we got tons of support like that to our party in Gdansk, LOL...

(that was sarcasm - just in case...).

Seriously, I wonder how Zuckerberg could have gotten that filthy rich with this primitive website he made, while the demos we are making are technically far more superior and we are still as poor as a a church mouse!

mccnex I thought I was having an argument with you but to be frank I have no idea what your point is anymore.

funny that the sponsorshop/capitalist discussion comes up again ^^

That companies recruit talents from the scene is obvious, its the easiest way to find skilled, passionate employees, its not a big deal and having sceners in good jobs is better than having them locked in a basement with a cigarette-ashes covered keyboard.
They dont even need to sponsor anything for that.
To get in contact with talent of choice, no bigscreen slide or banner is needed.

All other sponsors that i know, from revision for example - they are either demoscene related anyway or they "just" love to support the scene.
Not a single beamslide, rollup oder lanyard with a logo - raised their revenue a single Euro.

To be honest and just to have an example:
If our technical supplier "Satis&Fy" at revision wouldnt love us, we would´ve need to pay a higher 5-Digit bill for the technical rent, the trucking and the personell as we do.

And all small sponsors just like to see their Logos somewhere, because showing is knowing - which is truly a scene basic:

netpoet could work a whole week in his office for clients who pay the bill.
viprinet could save the hardware, personell, trucking costs and the (scene)-personell could spend their holidays in a different way.
Individual computers could save money, because everyone in scene knows Jens Company anyway.
deinetickets.de could save costs for personell, hardware, travelling and could work on other events over easter where they get paid for.
Buchhandlung Hahn - doesnt sell a single Book more, just for having its Logo shown.
Hypnolords could save their money, Zeitraum too...and the list doesnt stop here.
And all sponsors have to declare to their tax offices afterwards "what the fuck was this sponsoring for?! "

I could list so many more, jumping to ther parties and name sponsors from there.

Without companies and individuals,like supporter ticket buyers, organizers who spend time and money to travel to a party just to work their ass off and get a bit of love in return, who are willing to do a little bit more than ohers, we couldnt run this show.

So love goes out to everyone supporting demoparties.

Word. There were even cases of demoparties that resulted in a financial loss for the organizers. And still that did not make them stop organizing demoparties.

One thing about the demoscene is that it is essentially something distinctive and underground and has the DIY-spirit. At the more general level it is supposed to reflect the computer culture as a separate domain. That is why I think releases that are made with different tools or/and ask specific knowledge on computers or/and have some distinctive aesthtical qualities when compared to commercial products (music, graphical works, music videos etc.) are much more valuable than those releases which copy both the tools and style of commercial products.

Demoscene = it's what every commie would do if he would get his hands on a computer in the 80s/90s.

Demoscene = it's what every commie would do if he would get his hands on a computer in the 80s/90s.

It's a bunch of people who do stuff with computers that's realtime most of the time. And who disagree with each other a lot, and some who apparently have real dumb notions and/or communication skills.

Such as you? SCNR.

Okay. Preacher mentioned that some demosceners have "dumb notions".

I cannot resist.

I fail to understand why in recent days, a considerable number of demosceners has adopted Marxist views.

I have talked about this phenomenon with two sceners who share most of my political views. One of them is a renowned German coder who was banned from German demoparties because he supports the "wrong" political party.

What has happened to the scene that used to be a more or less unideological, underground, anti-system movement of rebels?

Aren't you aware that in a totalitarian state - and most states ruled by Marxists have evolved into totalitarian states - something like the demoscene would probably not exist?

Haven't you realized that the reason why Wikipedia is waging a war against the demoscene and why so many Wikipedia pages of demosceners have been deleted is that Wikipedia is dominated by Marxists, who do not tolerate structures not officially approved of and not controlled by the government?

Do you want to harm yourself or what are your motivations for supporting such policies?

I can only tell you that I was born and have grown up in Vienna, Austria, a city that has been dominated by a Marxist party since 1945, and a country in which the same Marxists were part of the government for a very long time. Are you actually aware that throughout all the years, I AVOIDED telling my fellow Austrians about what I was doing in my sparetime? Most of the people who know me from "real life" have no idea about Hugi, the demoscene, the coding compos I organized, and so on! I had to conceal everything from the public or else I would have risked being put at disadvantage, and perhaps I would not have graduated from high school despite having always been a good student.

Haven't you wondered why there are almost no active Austrian demosceners while there is an active scene in almost all of the neighboring countries (Germany, Switzerland, Italy, Hungary, Slovakia, the Czech Republic)?

I know from my experience what life is like in a "soft dictatorship"! Since the Republic of Austria is essentially nothing else than a "soft dictatorship"! You won't get shot for saying the "wrong" things, but you can lose your job, your income, your property, etc.

I understand that it may be similar in your own countries, and that you have adapted to the ideology of your government in order to protect yourselves, but please spare to impose your totalitarian Marxist views upon us. The scene should remain a place well concealed from our governments, where we can retreat and enjoy the little freedom that is left for us.

The Demoscene to me is this weird thing that ages with me; that I'm sometimes interested in and sometimes not at all. A perpetual on&off relationship since 1993 or so. And sometimes I'm wondering why this is still a thing. But I'm happy it's still there. :)

Dear god abort this thread.

If you're going to fight against an "enemy", then first thing you should at least know what your enemy is (Marxism is not Marxism-Leninism, for one).

this i quite entertaining i must say

I can't quite put my finger on what the demoscene is about for me, but I can at least say it's not about the thing this thread has now become.

adok you are going into psychosis, please seek professional help from a qualified therapist/psychiatrist. thanks

I LOVE DEMOSCENE, whatever it is.

all proper demosceners go for Bakunin/Kropotkin/Goldman, Marxism is just a phase that will fade away.

hrrmm except if satanic.

That *ism thing is bullshit, demoscene had Anarchy since the late 80s

wayfinder, that's the typical way a Marxist who has no counter-argument argues. He calls the other person a lunatic.

TIL: worrying about another person’s mental health is marxism. That explains… a lot, actually.

You confuse worrying about somebody's mental health with making a diagnosis (which he is not entitled to, to my knowledge, as he is not an MD).

Die Behandlung von Wahnsymptomen richtet sich nach der sie verursachenden Grunderkrankung. Eine Behandlung ist aufgrund der in der Regel fehlenden Krankheitseinsicht nicht immer einfach (Therapieresistenz). Gelegentlich kann ein Patient durch Angehörige oder den Arzt trotz Uneinsichtigkeit dennoch zur Behandlung motiviert werden.[33]