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Well it's a stretch, but it's nice to see him know about it :)

Not connected, but recently saw some video where someone ask Ken Perlin (of Perlin Noise fame) if he was in the demoscene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAqg5icVcoI

Wow. :) Thanks. Interesting talk too.

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anix: thanks very much for sharing!

Of course he knows, he is the man who knows everything about programming.

;)

Good findings!

Interestingly, Perlin thinks demoscene = glitch art.

But confusion goes both ways. For some people every noise that has multiple frequency components (e.g.value noise) = Perlin noise.

tomkh: Even more so ... a creator and researcher of "digital chaos" claiming not to be into what could ultimately be considered incidentally chaotic :D

I got the impression that he uses glitch art as an example of how his philosophy differs from the demoscene, and not that he thinks glitch art and the demoscene are the same. Scene productions are very technically oriented, and arbitrary limitations are often seen as more interesting than the end result, cf. the recent discussion on size limit in demo compos. Perlin on the other hand says that he wants the computer to "kind of go away", which I understand as not wanting technical aspects to define the aesthetics. Since he specifically mentions images from nature, he's probably not into the ray-marched fractals that are ubiquitous in size coding productions.

Ian Bogost has some interesting points about the demoscene as a way of playing with constraints in his new book 'Play Everything' which I kind of dig. I dont think he is saying anything superprofound that hasnt been said by others (Doreen Hartmann, Markku Reunanen comes to mind, both super-interesting dissertations though Doreens is in German) but he is a superpopular researcher of play and games who does keynotes all over the world, so its nice to see us get a bit of recognition.

maybe Perlin is a big Satori fan! :P

nic0: Are you talking about this book, which is from 2012, or is there a more recent book by the same author that deals with the demoscene?

OK; apparently you are talking about this book.

That was actually the holy grail for applications of fractal theory - to model nature with concise definition.

In the "prehistory" of computer graphics, Perlin, Musgrave and Mandelbrot were all thinking about using multi-fractals to approximate nature, e.g. http://www.kenmusgrave.com/synthetic.html.

The size-limit is still important, but more so is unlimited detail and flexibility that procedural methods gives you, as let say in https://www.allegorithmic.com/substance - "100x smaller texture files for faster downloads and faster starts".

Glitchy fractal art actually originated on fractalforums.com (KIFS, Mandelbulb etc..). The demoscene just adopted it for real-time.

I still have the Allegorithmic CEO's business card somewhere, he was very inquiring about our texture generator at NVScene 2008 :)

Ken Perlin is an abominable faggot.

that was uncalled for.

Read his blog, he is seriously sick in the head.

Faggots were called pederasts before the mid 19th century. After that pederasts became "pedophiles" (lovers of children, strange concept of love...) or homosexuals with the intent to imply an exclusive "or" while in truth the "or" is rigorously inclusive.

regardless of the person, homophobic rants aren't welcome here, take your business elsewhere.

OK. I have heard a lot about pouet before, but this is highly disappointing. Is this a typical rhetoric here or an outlier?

Definite outlier.

And even so of course I apologize for it occasionally happening. Sometimes the wind blows in the dirt through the open window.