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This is (I assume) the non-Demoscene album that features professional-grade versions of his songs, such as Beetlemix '99, Bright Ventures, Latenite and Stranded - I think one or two of those are actually part of a second album of his, someone confirm?

I've classed these as Commercial rather than Demoscene, as I assume they're ordinary music albums? I can't seem to get a straight answer anywhere.

On a side note: How do you pronounce his name correctly?

Depends on your definition of "commercial" really. You can certainly purchase the CD.

So demoscene products can't be commercial? That would be new to me... Just consider the target audience of most scener's personal CD releases, and most of the time demosceners and people that are close to the scene are the target audience - especially given that most of these CDs can only be purchased at a few CD online shops e.g. run by (ex) sceners.

I'm only really asking because I figured that artists like Jogeir would want royalties for their work, but I came across this:

http://www.tunesociety.com/song/9658/beetlemix

saying that Beetlemix was royalty-free. What's that all about, then?

I guess he uploaded his music himself to both places?

I guess it's his choice.

As for the term "commercial", it IS rather vague, but then I don't know what else to call pop, rock, techno, house, indie, etc, etc when they're sold as CDs or MP3 downloads for money.

But then again, classical music is sold the same way, yet I put that under it's own category.

Putting your music up on a royalty-free stock music site still counts as a way of making money from it. From the Tunesociety FAQ:


It's kind of meaningless to say that a piece of music is or isn't commercial - all you can say is that is or isn't being exploited commercially right now. Even if it's appeared in a demo, been uploaded it to scene.org, or been released under a Creative Commons licence, the musician still owns the copyright on it and is free to exploit it commercially at any time, if they choose to.

Obviously, if your music is already legally floating around the internet for free, then that might affect your ability to make money by selling it. (Or it might not, if enough people really want to own it on a shiny silver disc.) One thing you can't do is revoke a licence (such as Creative Commons) that you've previously granted. Some people have in the past tried to get their music taken down from scene.org once they've decided to go commercial... but since very few demoscene productions are released under a formal licence, it's hard to say whether they're actually breaking a licence agreement by demanding that, or just being a massive jerk.

I see, gasman.

Doesn't even have to be a disc ... there's a lot of songs that have made their way to scener's bandcamp pages even though they're available elsewhere, allowing you to buy them.

I agree with gasman here; it is quite hard to classify such things. Most of scene artists are not as rigidly defined as other more "traditional"(?) artists that partner with a traditional [large] distributor/publisher/record company.

Beyond artist/album, I only classify my stuff as "things I probably/do want on my portable media player" and "desktop only". If I bought it as an album off of Bandcamp, got it from Kahvi, or it came on a CD, it's likely to go in the former. If it's a loose MOD/XM/scene-mp3 file it's probably going in the latter. And it's not that I like the latter any less, I am at my desktop a lot after all.

I have just the one MP3 collection, both on portable players and on my PC via WinAmp.

I thought "commercial" referred rather to a lack of authenticity of a production than if the product was available for free or for $$$rs

Like producing music for people who don't listen to music. If you know what I mean?

As a side note: what the hell does it matter?

cos mister Foebane is a classification expert, see the tagging thread earlier!

http://translate.google.com/#no/en/Jogeir%20Liljedahl and click on the speaker button in the left box. Is it accurate? any Norwegians around? :)

I've always pronounced it phonetically, as it appears.

Exactly. Was about to say, though I was gonna do it in my trademark shut the fuck up losers way.

DAMN STRAIGHT, i am!

Liljedahl sounds fine, Jogeir has the accentuation wrong. Sounds like "she" says Jogg-ei when it should be Jo-geir, where g isn't part of the first syllable, the o is longer, and the (rolling) r is audible.

The speaker button in the right box is pretty much how I'd expect it pronounced in English. ;)

because I think Foebane72 is after the unofficial "most threads created with a short period of time" 'award'. hehe :D