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w23: yep the same unknown error on shader toy that I encountered today. I tried to debug it by slicing off the parts, but it seems that the bug is deep

Thanks to everyone for a great party!
Special thanx to DjHoffman and Glxblt for kickass dj sets
... and for an amazing conversation with Hyde at the bar :)

bonzaj: Ah, I see, looks like it's a windows/angle-specific problem, as the shader works fine on any browser under osx. Sadly, I won't have access to a windows machine until Friday, so I guess I won't be able to fix it by myself until then :(.

magic: Biter decided not to release it this year. I double-checked with him before removing their entry from the system.

Well, I don't feel really a better coder and I'm happy you have won that category so we both got a prize. :) But true I had no build order nor any idea about direction to final outcome and just kept adding effects till my code was a complete mess.


During the first rounds you were unfortunate that there was nobody on the pads - understandable, as no previous shaders used it and I don't see anybody volunteering to drum pads not connected to anything. I had to shout for Bonzaj to get somebody on the pads when I used them.

Probably the tool should have some ring/popup/anything to alert party orgs that somebody starts using the pads.


Seconded.

Why the Amiga demo by Whelpz is still not available?

What Slayer said! :D

slayer: we were not provided the binaries, the authors asked for more time to release a final version.

So here are some things I wanted to mention.
Party in general

What was good:

• Sofas. They were significantly better that your regular demoparty chairs.
  
• In-place food and drinks.
  
• The Internets. Wifi was good and bandwidth was also great. Many parties fail at this for whatever reason.

What was questionable:

• Screen placement. That column in the middle of the hall was a pain.
  
• Tuning off network while compos were running (I heard the version that it was done in order to spare some bandwidth for streaming, I'm not 100% sure this is true, but I'll stick with it here). Basically that made me unable to vote -- after the demo compo I was too tired to try whether the network was up again, and in the morning next day voting was already over. (On the other hand, that could make me not win the live coding because I would vote for KK and therefore close that infinitesimal gap between our entries :D).
  
• Lack of power sockets. It was not that easy to find a place to work on entries at the party.
  

Live coding compo

Good:

• Great tool and general setup. Using a grown-up editor for editing shaders is a great idea.
  
• Using separate screen for shader output is also nice and very convenient.
  

Questionable:

• As said earlier by KK, fft and pad inputs were practically useless. They require some low-pass filtering or whatever else tuning.
  
• Error highlighting should be realtime and in-editor. It is time consuming and flow-breaking to have to press some keys and then try to find corresponding lines by hand. But I guess this is an artifact of this tool being made in two days before the party or something.
  

Subjective:

• Keyboards were non-standard (notebook-like), and I made a lot of typos (that were also hard to find because of no error highlighting).
  
• I'm not a windows person, so VS editor was not very convenient, although I understand why it was chosen. It would be very nice to have an integration to several editors (for example, sublime or even vim!).
  

Looks like live-coding could turn into some kind of pro-gaming-like discipline with all these full tournament trees, players with their own keyboards and editors, build orders, counter-strategies and so on. :D

(I also should change my nickname to something more easily pronounceable, as it originally wasn't intended for that at all. Sorry, bonzaj!)

To be exact, my opinion was: FFT was useless, pads were acceptable as long as you made sure somebody is actually drumming them.


True. I particularily hated the left Shift key having the size of a common letter key.

Also when we are at the topic of setup, the sofa+table isn't most ergonomical setup for any kind of coding.


Probably we can't run far away from subjective environments. For example, I'm coding mostly in HLSL and can't count how many times I got errors about unknown 'float3' identifier. :)

More demoparties should have sofas!

Sofas are for sofasceners.

Yes, wouldn't that be great? Sofascening right in front of the bigscreen!

Did that. Next :-)

Kbi: dobra.. I remember seeing during The demo compo the first few seconds of the demo before it hang ;) was looking forward to this demo ;)
Biter: don't wait a year to release it please ;)

ABout Futuris demo: it was our fault, because ASMCode was asking several times to check it before the compo, and I was just to busy with realtime coding compo to do it :(. Sorry for that!

As for keyboards: completely didn't think about it. Adding keyboards that were brought by the coders shouldn't be a problem (as long as the keyboard doesn't have an integrated clipboard with a completely stored shader :D )

I think that adding support for other editors (notepad++ vim, etc) is straight forward, since the editors just inform us about the code being edited and send it through a opened pipe the contents of the file to our engine. But yes we dd it in two days before the party, and FFT was finished(if I can call that) couple of hours before the compo. Yeah obvious fault on our side.

w23: pronouncing your nick was quite hard at the very beginning but when I realised how many times I got it wrong (v23, w32 etc.) I eventually learned it :D.

na peceta nie ma sceny ;)

Great party, and the only acceptable way of sofascening!

I hope not too many entries won´t remain unspread due to 3rd party content though (I wonder why there wasn´t a rule allowing only such entries, as most parties nowadays do)

OK, the party is over, but now we need somebody to get this - http://scene.org/dir.php?dir=/parties2013/wecan13/ - to Pouet.

And yes, I'm writing "somebody" because I'm too lazy, but there are quite some glops to be earned. ;)

i hate to nag but: wheres the elude android demo? =)

and where is Amiga Whelpz demo? (which won the demo compo)

This "please don't release it, we will provide a fixed version next week" trend really needs to stop.

That's why you as an organizer should hold the party version hostage for said week ;)

2014?