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ham: You can fake things, but those will be fake. Adopted kids are not your own, and you're not a parent.

Tomcat:

Well I guess that wen't over your head.

I need to stop this because I never once wanted to stoop to this, politics wheter the stupid conspiracy kind or not does not belong on pouet.

I just feel sorry for you Tomcat...your current mentality is something you and Hungary could live without for the next thousand years.

So you are against adoption in general?

tomcat: you just don't get it, do you? How hard can it be?


It's not up to you to "grant" other people tiny chips of freedom to add to their independence, they deserve the whole fucking thing.

Deus, as I wrote, I would've never started is if I weren't attacked. You can have a bad opinion about my views, if you wish. I don't deprive this right from anyone. But what some people insisted here is that having a different opinion from theirs should result in my general exclusion from society, and prosecution as a criminal. How that complies to so-called human rights?

ted, I do not grant and do not take liberties. But I have my views on what is wrong and what is right. Also I wrote that I've never even thought about making up rules for what is independence and what not, I was insisted to do it right now.

speaking of camps: In Hungary, the Jobless Go to Labor Camp, By Carol Matlack and András Gergely

Let's play a quiz, kids. Please read back all this flamewar, and count how many times have I proposed to put someone in jail, kill someone or exclude him/her from society for having the "wrong" opinion. Then count how many times you've proposed such a thing.

dipswitch, where have you dug up this bullshit? Labor camps? Nobody has ever proposed this, and there are no labor camps. Perhaps you should stop reading political propaganda. What actually happened is that some local governments ordered that no welfare support can be provided to those who don't do public work. What's your problem with that?

tomcat: in your approach to define "independence" you've shown where the starting point for your reasoning was. And I managed to locate that starting point somewhere around the middle ages.

Actually what is wrong with what I said? Quote anything that means curtailing anyone's freedom. No, the answer "I'll not quote anything, that's obvious" is not an accepted answer.

Relax. It was the justice, and not us, who put you in your domiciliary arrest. And I doubt that it was merely because of your opinions.

it's quite telling that tomcat still has not answered havoc's question from the previous page.

ham: My current detention is actually violating a series of laws, but that's a different subject. I am talking about what some people said recently.

What does it tell then?

OK, I will try...

A ... Page 9:


B ... Page 10:



A + B = Condoms should be banned in order to avoid the fall of the civilization.

Am I right?

dipswitch: Sorry, I missed that. In fact my views are not extreme at all, but some people here would like to see their ever-imagined arch-enemy in me, and want do define my views instead of me. Well, if I were in charge for my country, I'd certainly define a few jurisdictions which would piss off some people. They'd also call them extreme measures, yes. But I think the opposite. Liberalism has taken to extreme levels nowadays, so any reversion to normal will be the same "extremism" from the current point of view. To name one: I'd abolish general election rights, and would only grant it to those who pass a certain exam on history, politics and social sciences.

As for democracy, there is a common misbelief that democracy is a synonime to a constitutional state, and it's the only form of state that can grant any rights to citizens. Actually it's the one that deprives the most rights. In fact even Nazism is better than democracy, because at least Nazis don't lie about their intents.

ham, I finished arguing with you, as you deliberately falsify my statements and demand me to accept premises which I never maintained.

Oh! That one is better. Thanks.

ok, this should solidify psonice's opinion more than enough.

And this solidifies your own true colors. So you believe that people opposing the liberalist state should be imprisoned. Congratulations, and you worry for my country. Also, you're not a Communist. I wonder what you are then.

Come on! You never started arguing with me or with anyone here. Or do you really believe that you are presenting valid reasons to support your opinion?

All you do is say "I am right and you are a bunch of idiot childish leftists!"

dipswitch: You were raised by KGB spies, right? Do you ever wonder if this extreme upbringing may hinder your ability to think objectively about politics? I ask because these conclusions you come to, and think are universal, even some communists may fail to understand.